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Welp, guess that's what I get for taking an Ariel & Co podcast at face value, as they talked about it back in April or May like this was some new Diaz revelation Speaking of MMA journalism, Chuck Mindenhall has a great piece up on MMA Fighting about Afflication. I cross-posted it in the MMA Journalism thread and it's a long read, but very interesting: http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/7/31/5953653/fifty-two-weeks-and-a-few-extra-zeroes-the-rise-and-fall-of I thought this set the scene nicely: quote:The ring was a 30 x 30 simulacrum of the Pride ring, with a fighting surface of 28 x 28; most of the production was in homage to Pride Fighting Championships. M-1 Global and Vadim Finkelstein, who represented Fedor and his brother Alexander, co-promoted with Affliction. Donald Trump, the bangs-swept business magnate, was a stakeholder, too. His likeness was everywhere in the lead-up. Around the fascia ring at "The Pond" the words circled in bright electric blue….Trump…M-1 Global…Affliction…Trump…M-1 Global…Affliction.
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Nick Diaz hates fighting and violence so much he gets into brawls on national television and hospital wards.
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Man. I wish I was able to watch the beginning days of the UFC (I was like 2 at the time) because today I listened to the Steve Austin podcast featuring Ken Shamrock and I never knew how awesome and tough he was. - Ken kicked the poo poo out of everybody in the gym even though they all outweighed him by like 100 pounds. - Ken was by far the toughest guy in the UFC 1 tournament and nobody in the tournament was even on his level. - Had the Gracie's known how tough and awesome Ken was he wouldn't have been allowed in the tournament. - The Gracie's hosed with the tournament card several times. They even set up the fights so that Royce would get 2 fights to rest before the Semi- finals and Ken would have to fight twice in a row or something. - During the UFC 1 fight they made Ken take off his shoes because they were so worried he'd gently caress Royce up. But they let Royce keep on his Gi, which was a dangerous weapon. - Ken was kicking the poo poo out of Royce and almost tapped him but he slipped because he didn't have his wrestling shoes on. This allowed Royce to sink in a choke using the dangerous Gi. - Ken, confused to as if he was training or fighting (he seriously says this) tapped out to the choke even though it didn't hurt because he thought like in training, he'd be able to just get up and keep going. After tapping and standing up, Royce, who usually would have no problem just taking down a guy and submitting him again, begged and pleaded with the ref to call the fight because Ken tapped. Ken admitted to tapping because he's honorable as gently caress. - After getting lucky against Ken Royce ducked him every chance he could. - Finally, after getting to fight Royce again at UFC 5, Ken beat the ever living poo poo out of him and the only thing that saved Royce was the time limit the Gracie's insisted on putting into place because they knew Ken was going to kill Royce if there wasn't one. The fight went down in the books as a draw but Ken said if a ref was there the fight would've been stopped on several occasions. - He's the reason the UFC is as big as it is today.
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Ty1990 posted:Man. I wish I was able to watch the beginning days of the UFC (I was like 2 at the time) because today I listened to the Steve Austin podcast featuring Ken Shamrock and I never knew how awesome and tough he was. Sometimes it feels like Ken and Royce are in an ongoing contest of who can tarnish their legacy more.
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Ken's ego is truly special. In a sport where everyone understands that ego is part of the drive, with fans who are totally forgiving of it, he goes out of his way to make everyone hate him instead of just taking the credit he rightly deserves as one of the best fighters ever.
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Jul 31, 2014 21:25
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Ken Shamrock was going to have a scrap in Doncaster's Keepmoat Stadium, but it was cancelled. Anyone who has an event scheduled at the Keepmoat is beyond hope.
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Ty1990 posted:Man. I wish I was able to watch the beginning days of the UFC (I was like 2 at the time) because today I listened to the Steve Austin podcast featuring Ken Shamrock and I never knew how awesome and tough he was. I bought the early UFC guys being suck, tournament fuckery and being too dumb to understand rules. But him saving the UFC and not mentioning the TUF guys was a load of poo poo.
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Ken Shamrock once got after me on twitter for kind of making fun of Jon Jones, complete with "What have you ever done with YOUR life!?!?". Someone was saying that he "made it" after scoring the Nike sponsorship or some other sponsorship and I said something like "What? Crashing his Bentley into a pole isn't made enough for you?", to which Ken took offense I guess.
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Ken did admit to tapping though. I thought he was good dude as a kid because of that. People are complicated.
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Ken's match prior to Royce featured his opponent tapping out and not being able to continue, so the whole "tapped out to the choke even though it didn't hurt because he thought like in training, he'd be able to just get up and keep going" makes absolutely zero sense on it's face. Both of the Shamrock's are about the carniest motherfuckers in mma and you should never assume anything they say is anything other than a line designed to lead them into their next paycheck.
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-Atom- posted:Nick Diaz hates fighting and violence so much he gets into brawls on national television and hospital wards.
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Ty1990 posted:Man. I wish I was able to watch the beginning days of the UFC (I was like 2 at the time) because today I listened to the Steve Austin podcast featuring Ken Shamrock and I never knew how awesome and tough he was. - Ken can bench press an elephant - After getting abducted by aliens, Ken put them in a keylock and forced them to implant advanced bionics, giving Ken x-ray vision and retractable claws - All three loses against Tito were stopped early. Ken was letting Tito hit him to break his hands. Had the refs not been there, Ken would have come back and made Tito tap to strikes.
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Ty1990 posted:Man. I wish I was able to watch the beginning days of the UFC (I was like 2 at the time) because today I listened to the Steve Austin podcast featuring Ken Shamrock and I never knew how awesome and tough he was. These two points are somewhat related. Ken rematched Royce at UFC 5 after a long and painful negotiation process. Royce hemmed and hawed until his demands for special rules were met (that coincidentally bolstered his fighting style): one 30 minute round with 5 minutes of optional overtime, and absolutely zero referee interference because he considered referees to be anathema to the spirit of vale tudo or whatever. So as soon as the match started Ken took him down, and Royce wrapped him up in such a way that Ken couldn't mount any offense and Royce wouldn't attempt any subs. Gracie basically pulled Ken on top of him and stayed that way for 30 minutes. After UFC 7, they started incorporating judges once time limits were reached. 
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Josh Barnett has a point, gently caress blue decks.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Josh Barnett has a point, gently caress blue decks. At 10:45 is the first time I've ever seen Josh genuinely laugh.
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Anderson Silva is the blue deck of MMA. Lots of loving around, making you pissed off and then all of a sudden you are dead and you aren't sure what happened.
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That man outgrappled Nogueira in his prime. MMA owns.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Anderson Silva is the blue deck of MMA. Lots of loving around, making you pissed off and then all of a sudden you are dead and you aren't sure what happened. Jake Shields is the blue deck of MMA: You try as hard as you can to do things, and then nothing happens and you lose.
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Both the Diaz brothers are weird. Me and MP have pointed out when this stuff comes up that they don't really view themselves as professional athletes or whatever. Nate specifically said there's guys who consider themselves to be UFC fighters. Where he thinks of himself as a martial artist who fights in the UFC. I'm pretty sure he even mentioned if he had his choice he'd just teach BJJ. I think their whole attitude is kind of, well if I have to fight to make a living gently caress everyone else because they're only here to hurt me, I don't want to be friends, I just want to go in there, fight and go home. They've probably left a lot of money on the table because they're unwilling to "play the game" but I honestly don't think either of them would give a poo poo if they never fought in the UFC again. It's just where they can get the best pay day.
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BlindSite posted:Both the Diaz brothers are weird. Me and MP have pointed out when this stuff comes up that they don't really view themselves as professional athletes or whatever. Nate specifically said there's guys who consider themselves to be UFC fighters. Where he thinks of himself as a martial artist who fights in the UFC. I'm pretty sure he even mentioned if he had his choice he'd just teach BJJ. I like the Diaz bros, they are cool dudes and I respect this poo poo
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BlindSite posted:I think their whole attitude is kind of, well if I have to fight to make a living gently caress everyone else because they're only here to hurt me, I don't want to be friends, I just want to go in there, fight and go home. which would be fine except they spend half their time bitching about innocuous things like rankings and marketing which wouldn't matter to them at all if they really did only care about representing martial arts and making money. They even watch UFC fights in their free time when nobody is forcing them. So I think they care more about fighting in UFC than they lead on.
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BlindSite posted:Both the Diaz brothers are weird. Me and MP have pointed out when this stuff comes up that they don't really view themselves as professional athletes or whatever. Nate specifically said there's guys who consider themselves to be UFC fighters. Where he thinks of himself as a martial artist who fights in the UFC. I'm pretty sure he even mentioned if he had his choice he'd just teach BJJ. I would think a lot more highly of the Diaz brothers if any of this was actually true.
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reminder that warmachine has the best twitter feed of all MMA fighters.
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On that note... http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3654566
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