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Big Beef City posted:am I the only one who's bewildered by why Michael Jackson was so ludicrously famous? Like the dude rode out nearly 4 decades of being the most recognizable human being on the planet for what amounts to a few pop songs. you're opinion is terrible and dumb as gently caress
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well that's rude, I was just sharing with you guys.
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Jul 20, 2014 16:12
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Big Beef City posted:am I the only one who's bewildered by why Michael Jackson was so ludicrously famous? Like the dude rode out nearly 4 decades of being the most recognizable human being on the planet for what amounts to a few pop songs.
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Jul 20, 2014 16:16
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Big Beef City posted:am I the only one who's bewildered by why Michael Jackson was so ludicrously famous? Like the dude rode out nearly 4 decades of being the most recognizable human being on the planet for what amounts to a few pop songs. it's because he was groomed to be musical prodigy since birth, pushed to the limit by his maniacal father, and subsequently made masterworks of music and theatrics. which means michael jackson was a kind of 21th century mozart
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Jul 20, 2014 16:20
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lol no it does not mean that
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Jul 20, 2014 16:22
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michael jackson rules and thriller is still the best music video ever made 30+ years later if you disagree you're a baka
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Jul 20, 2014 16:35
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Big Beef City posted:lol no it does not mean that Mozart you dummy.
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Jul 20, 2014 16:37
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Big Beef City posted:lol no it does not mean that the circumstances of their lives are too similar to dismiss
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Jul 20, 2014 16:38
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Big Beef City posted:lol no it does not mean that "SCIENCE WEEKLY: IRREFUTABLY, MICHAEL JACKSON WAS THE 21ST CENTURY MOZART"
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Jul 20, 2014 16:42
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Big Beef City posted:lol no it does not mean that He's just saying their lives had some things in common, which is true. I also don't know why you're surprised the dude was so famous really, people become famous for far less than a few good songs.
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Jul 20, 2014 16:56
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Alien Ant Farm was one of the worst bands of all time
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Jul 20, 2014 16:57
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Kimmalah posted:He's just saying their lives had some things in common, which is true. I also don't know why you're surprised the dude was so famous really, people become famous for far less than a few good songs. I'm not saying people don't become famous for trivial things. I'm saying that I don't understand why he, specifically, is hailed so exclusively. He sang some good songs and danced pretty good and I dunno this is a dumb argument I was just saying it's weird
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Jul 20, 2014 17:11
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For example I'm famous for my awesome posting but I don't expect Disney to build me a memorial
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Jul 20, 2014 17:12
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Big Beef City posted:For example I'm famous for my awesome posting but I don't expect Disney to build me a memorial Well good, that will save them tens of dollars.
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Jul 20, 2014 17:19
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Feranon posted:michael jackson rules and thriller is still the best music video ever made 30+ years later I disagree. Smooth Criminal was better. But I ain't no baka 
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Jul 20, 2014 17:21
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Big Beef City posted:am I the only one who's bewildered by why Michael Jackson was so ludicrously famous? Like the dude rode out nearly 4 decades of being the most recognizable human being on the planet for what amounts to a few pop songs. "A few pop songs"? The entirety of Off the Wall and Thriller contain nothing but amazing tracks. That was his claim to fame, the dude made two back-to-back fantastic albums. But I guess it's fair to argue that everything he did post-Thriller wasn't all that great. So yeah, he rode out his early success, but it wasn't just a few pop songs.
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Jul 20, 2014 17:22
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King Vidiot posted:"A few pop songs"? The entirety of Off the Wall and Thriller contain nothing but amazing tracks. That was his claim to fame, the dude made two back-to-back fantastic albums. So it totally was a few pop songs. I dunno what you're saying here.
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Jul 20, 2014 17:33
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I imagine all these words are coming from your avatar's face.
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Jul 20, 2014 17:44
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Big Beef City posted:I'm not saying people don't become famous for trivial things. I'm saying that I don't understand why he, specifically, is hailed so exclusively. He sang some good songs and danced pretty good and I dunno this is a dumb argument I was just saying it's weird The difference was MTV. It was new, influential, and he literally commanded the channel. Also, he had a run of amazing songs.
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Jul 20, 2014 17:50
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redshirt posted:The difference was MTV. It was new, influential, and he literally commanded the channel. initially mtv wouldn't even run his music because he was black, until the president of cbs denounced them for it. and even then mtv wouldn't put his music on their usual rotation until he became a hit
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Jul 20, 2014 17:58
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Imagine if MTV refused to play black performers now. It's hosed up if in fact that were true.
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Jul 20, 2014 18:01
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butplug accident posted:initially mtv wouldn't even run his music because he was black, until the president of cbs denounced them for it. and even then mtv wouldn't put his music on their usual rotation until he became a hit Never heard this before. How early into MTV did this continue? Not long I imagine since Thriller dominated MTV, and it was released in 1982 and MTV started in 1981.
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Jul 20, 2014 18:05
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redshirt posted:Never heard this before. How early into MTV did this continue? Not long I imagine since Thriller dominated MTV, and it was released in 1982 and MTV started in 1981. Before Thriller, Jackson struggled to receive coverage on MTV, allegedly because he was African American.[378] Pressure from CBS Records persuaded MTV to start showing "Billie Jean" and later "Beat It", leading to a lengthy partnership with Jackson, also helping other black music artists gain recognition.[379] MTV employees deny any racism in their coverage, or pressure to change their stance. MTV maintains that they played rock music, regardless of race.[380] The popularity of his videos on MTV helped to put the relatively young channel "on the map"; MTV's focus shifted in favor of pop and R&B.[379][381] Before 1983, Michael Jackson also struggled to receive airtime on MTV.[37] To resolve the struggle and finally "break the color barrier," the president of CBS Records at the time, Walter Yetnikoff, denounced MTV in a strong, profane statement, threatening to take away MTV's ability to play any of the record label's music videos.[37][38] However, Les Garland, then acquisitions head, said he decided to air Jackson's "Billie Jean" video without pressure from CBS.[34] This was contradicted by CBS head of Business Affairs David Benjamin in Vanity Fair.[11] According to The Austin Chronicle, Jackson's video for the song "Billie Jean" was "the video that broke the color barrier, even though the channel itself was responsible for erecting that barrier in the first place."[39] But change was not immediate. "Billie Jean" was not added to MTV's "medium rotation" playlist (two to three airings per day) until after it had already reached #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. "I'm pulling everything we have off the air... I'm not going to give you any more videos. And I'm going to go public and loving tell them about the fact you don't want to play music by a black guy." -- Walter Yetnikoff
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Jul 20, 2014 18:16
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butplug accident posted:Before Thriller, Jackson struggled to receive coverage on MTV, allegedly because he was African American.[378] Pressure from CBS Records persuaded MTV to start showing "Billie Jean" and later "Beat It", leading to a lengthy partnership with Jackson, also helping other black music artists gain recognition.[379] MTV employees deny any racism in their coverage, or pressure to change their stance. MTV maintains that they played rock music, regardless of race.[380] The popularity of his videos on MTV helped to put the relatively young channel "on the map"; MTV's focus shifted in favor of pop and R&B.[379][381] Cool stuff. TIL that Michael Jackson broke MTV's racism.
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Jul 20, 2014 18:21
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Big Beef City posted:So it totally was a few pop songs. I dunno what you're saying here. I think he's saying most pop singers manage to put out one or two hit songs in their whole careers, while Jackson was successful for decades and put out multiple albums full of hits.
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Jul 20, 2014 21:22
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no one is claiming Michael Jackson molested them recently; he's dead
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Jul 20, 2014 21:27
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neckbeard posted:no one is claiming Michael Jackson molested them recently; he's dead Give it a while, it takes a lot of time to construct a terrifying cyborg body for a frozen head.
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Jul 20, 2014 21:29
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Iggy Koopa posted:yeah the only person who had actual child erotica found in their home i can think of is paul reubens and he seemed legitimately oblivious to the fact that some of his vintage erotica contained children, which is not to say he was being sincere, he was an actor after all "I didn't know there were naked kids in there, officer. HAHAH"
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Jul 20, 2014 21:36
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off the wall is really fuckin good
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paranoid randroid posted:off the wall is really fuckin good This is the very first track on the album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6t2n_Tbu3E Now imagine that the entire album is that good. Because it is. edit: And blah blah "taste is subjective", but if you don't like Off the Wall as a whole album then you have no taste.
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