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Lichy posted:I think what he meant to point out is that there is only a single copy of an organism modified typically so you end up with a field of clones that is not at all representative of the natural population and therefore is susceptible to disease purely due to lack of variation True, although pretty much all the modern hybrids you can get are gonna have very little variation so there's the risk you'll get wiped out by the corn plague or whatever. Fortunately that's quite rare since they're all bred to be as disease resistant and hardy as possible. Anything that'll wipe them out will probably just as easily wipe out most or all other varieties. In fact GMOs are probably going to be less disease resistant just because it takes 5-7 years to back cross a newly inserted gene into the newest line, by which time there will be an improved new line that will be hardier and higher yielding. http://passel.unl.edu/pages/animation.php?a=BXbreed.swf&b=990818773
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ghetto wormhole posted:True, although pretty much all the modern hybrids you can get are gonna have very little variation so there's the risk you'll get wiped out by the corn plague or whatever. Fortunately that's quite rare since they're all bred to be as disease resistant and hardy as possible. Anything that'll wipe them out will probably just as easily wipe out an heirloom variety. it's not something that's as important on a field-by-field basis, but the potato blight, for example, is/was so devastating because 99% of commercial potatoes outside the andes are solanum tuberosum tuberosum varieties. thankfully, they've started crossing wild potatoes back in to help with the blight
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Effectronica posted:and i was talking about nutrient depletion and the necessity of massive fertilization in modern agriculture. it's a necessary evil at the moment, but it is something that should be a real worry for people concerned about the future. oh duh, I thought you meant erosion when you said depletion. yeah that's a big issue that can really only be solved by better practices. reducing erosion is a very important part of it though!
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Ocean Book posted:what about them is worse? To start most of what they claim makes monsanto "evil" is flat out made up. And additionally sowing distrust of gmos that can prevent people from losing their livelihoods to one bad season or literally dying from starvation is kind of bad too.
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RonMexicosPitbull posted:To start most of what they claim makes monsanto "evil" is flat out made up. And additionally sowing distrust of gmos that can prevent people from losing their livelihoods to one bad season or literally dying from starvation is kind of bad too. No one ever listens to the opinions of other people anyway unless they already agreed beforehand so dont worry about it
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RonMexicosPitbull posted:To start most of what they claim makes monsanto "evil" is flat out made up. And additionally sowing distrust of gmos that can prevent people from losing their livelihoods to one bad season or literally dying from starvation is kind of bad too. So all those farmers suiciding due to not being able to pay Monsanto were actually just killing themselves in freak accidents? http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/06/5-million-farmers-locked-in-lawsuit-against-monsanto/
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Don Tacorleone posted:So all those farmers suiciding due to not being able to pay Monsanto were actually just killing themselves in freak accidents? you just cited a website called freedom outpost unironically.
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Don Tacorleone posted:So all those farmers suiciding due to not being able to pay Monsanto were actually just killing themselves in freak accidents? lol Tim Brown is an author and Editor at FreedomOutpost.com, husband to his wife, father of 10, jack of all trades, Christian and lover of liberty. He resides in the U.S. occupied Great State of South Carolina. Tim is also an affiliate for the brand new Joshua Mark 5 AR/AK hybrid semi-automatic rifle. Follow Tim on Twitter. View all posts by Tim Brown → Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/06/5-million-farmers-locked-in-lawsuit-against-monsanto/#mEY2T7hJB4wQ7Xu2.99
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BigBoss posted:you just cited a website called freedom outpost unironically. yeah but clearly he's right
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The Droid posted:Dow Chemical just made Agent Orange resistant corn that is named Enlist so I think that's got everyone's attention atm. drat what a name, how do those boys in marketing do it and yeah other people have said it but Monsanto is an rear end in a top hat company but NOT because of spooky genetically modified crops it's basically on the level of some infowars.com poo poo
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Monkey Fracas posted:drat what a name, how do those boys in marketing do it I believe you're overlooking an important point: Monsanto makes food and people need food to live. I don't think that's been said enough in this thread yet that Monsanto is curing famine once and for all with their radical strategy of 'grow our crops'.
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Monsanto is a corporation, and so it's evil, of course. The concept GMOs in itself, I'm OK with. Most of the arguments made against them sound like anti-science horseshit. And Neil deGrasse Tyson knows it. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2014/08/neil-degrasse-tyson-on-liberal-science-denial-and-gmos/
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Lawman 0 posted:yeah pretty much this Lawman 0 posted:gmos are cool and good though
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monsantos water speculation stuff is several orders of magnitude worse than any half baked gmo horror scenarios, imo. but theyre hardly unique in doing that i guess so hooray.
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Suicide Sam E. posted:They don't shut up and keep perpetuating memes would be my guess. dont do that so i can continue to enjoy your posts
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did you guys know that d.r. peter dishi of johns hopins penned an article for the BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL saying the flu vac is whack?
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:the issue isn't gmos being evil (unless youre an idiot) its loving over hundreds of millions of third world farmers I don't like this. How do they make this happen?
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Don Tacorleone posted:So all those farmers suiciding due to not being able to pay Monsanto were actually just killing themselves in freak accidents?  http://www.cmist.manchester.ac.uk/medialibrary/archive-publications/working-papers/2014/2014-04-Suicides_WP_d1.pdf (bt cotton was introduced in India in 2002, and by 2012 represented 90% of cotton grown there)
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hi what is monsanto for those of us in the first world tia
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Motherfucker posted:hi what is monsanto for those of us in the first world tia paranoid randroid posted:monsantos water speculation stuff Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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I work down the street from their corporate hq and it looks like a really nice place to work. They have tons of people working there and it never screws up traffic in the mornings/afternoons so more power to them.
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Gmos may or may not have good/bad points, I won't pretend to know, But they're DEFINITELY spooky
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echronorian posted:pls tell me about the new leftwing boogeyman since y2k and mayan doomsday were both a shitshow thanks I made a thread to figure this out last year, and my conclusion was "white folks need something to be afraid of". http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3556746
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It's the left wing equivalent of stem cells and you should all be ashamed you turds
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