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The Valuum posted:I wasn't huge into the white pride thing but this is how I saw it. Prison collectively lumps all white guys together, whether they be German, Irish, Greek, rich, poor, smart dumb. We were also preyed on very hard. Situations like that make you feel a certain camaraderie and kinship to other white people that, in the world you wouldn't give a gently caress about. Most of the white people I knew in prison were scurvy as hell, but we stuck together. More importantly, what happens to a dark skinned Greek dude? He's not black, but his olive skin looks closer to a light skinned black dude's skin than it does to an Irishman dude's skin.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:More importantly, what happens to a dark skinned Greek dude? He's not black, but his olive skin looks closer to a light skinned black dude's skin than it does to an Irishman dude's skin. You'd be with the white dudes. People might ask questions at first but once it was explained people wouldn't think twice about it.
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The Valuum posted:You'd be with the white dudes. People might ask questions at first but once it was explained people wouldn't think twice about it. Yeah but if the dudes are racialists, won't they be decrying your dark skin as the result of admixture with muds like Arabs and Turks?
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Rap Music and Dope posted:Now that you're on the outside it's my best advice to keep this trash way of thinking to yourself. If someone doesn't judge you or hold it against you in real life it's because they themselves are also garbage idiots. Your welcome. This is good advice. I kind of see how one might be tricked into believing that racial pride junk in prison, but that does not fly out here and will always bring you trouble. Also, be careful with that girlfriend. They are like the #1 justification for people falling back into their old patterns (I can't count how many times I've heard "My old lady did <x>, so I had to go use/ beat up her lover/etc". You are best to fly solo, get a solid foundation started and then think about adding huge stresses, such as a significant other. Excuse me if I sound like I'm telling you what to do, no offense is meant. e; I hate the term "old lady", but it seems every single person referred to there girl friend/wife this way, regardless of how long they had actually been together. Is this term just a regional thing? Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Nov 10, 2014 |
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Dr.Caligari posted:This is good advice. I kind of see how one might be tricked into believing that racial pride junk in prison, but that does not fly out here and will always bring you trouble. It's a regional thing, I think. My bestie who I've mentioned does it, but most ex-cons i know from like the Philly area just use "my girl." here, it seems about even, but I've got more experience with the chicks here than the guys that have been locked up, and it's always MAH MAN. (when they have one. more often than not, unfortunately, its multiple kids by mutliple different guys, and no one steady/stable in their lives. I know Valuum mentioned it in his thread, but there are some major social justice issues with women ex-cons, and how incarceration simply manages to increase the recidivism rates in many cases...the cycle of poverty being a big part of that.)
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Dr.Caligari posted:This is good advice. I kind of see how one might be tricked into believing that racial pride junk in prison, but that does not fly out here and will always bring you trouble. Heh, more like "I was texting another chick so the old lady put the PO on my rear end". Prison is full of people that got boated up because of jealous GFs/Ex-GFs. Also yeah everyone referred to girlfriends as old ladies where I was from too. I always felt kind of weird saying it. Also something I noticed regarding women cons, they somehow manage to have an even higher rate of addiction than male cons. There was a huge scandal years back about how all the women at the women's prison were ending up pregnant. My buddy told me one of his homegirls was in prison and offered to wire him $3,000 or something to pick up a bunch of dope and drop it off to someone at the Macomb County Mall. I guess she was fuckin' a guard in order to get him to bring poo poo in. He felt way sketched out and told her if she sent the money he'd probably blow it on dope so they didn't go through with it.
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Sorry I haven't been able to post lately. I've been buisy trying to get my life in order. So I guess I'll answer some questions now since I have some time. On the white pride subject, I just dont feel like it's a bad thing. I converted to odinism when I was inside, and alot of the teachings are based on racial kinship. I've never been happier, since I started practicing and I don't plan on stopping any time soon. It's a very warrioristic religion and if you take the time to study some of the teachings, it'll really make you a better man. Well I had my first office visit last thursday. I tested positive for suboxone, but my p.o. did not violate me. The weird part is I haven't done Sub in atleast a month and a half before my release so i should not have any levels in my system. Im wondering if I just have a bad liver or if He was pulling a fast one on me. GF update: Her family are all cops and c.o.s they absolutely hate me. Im doing everything im supposed to. Im not drinking or doing drugs and im looking for work. So they made her break up with me, but we're kinda seeing each other but not really. I've noticed something crazy. Like im no chud but im no brad pitt either, but since ive gotten home woman have been jacking me hard. I deffinitely like the attention.
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Digital-Smoke posted:Sorry I haven't been able to post lately. I've been buisy trying to get my life in order. So I guess I'll answer some questions now since I have some time. I don't see the problem with white pride either. I bet none of these guys would tell a black/latino guy that African/Latino pride is stupid. I'm don't really agree with what you said about not mixing races, I don't really care what people do or see it as a bad thing. There will always be people with "pure" bloodlines. There were a few Odinists in MI prison but it was all like super small and weird young kids. I don't mean that as any disrespect towards you or what you believe in, it sounds like there was a very different crowd into it where you were from. Suboxone has a crazy long half life but that's still kind of crazy. I think maybe there was a problem with the test or he's loving with you, that time line is just wayyy too excessive. How much were subs going for in NY? Typically they were $100 for an 8mg where I was from but they've gone as high as $150 (actually even higher than that a few times). Heh, that's funny about the old lady's family being all law enforcement. I bet the ones that are cops are even worse, at least CO's get to see that inmates can be pretty normal/moral people. That sucks they pressured her to break up with you, who knows maybe it'll blow over eventually. Or maybe they'll come to accept it. And to the last part: Chicks did a honkey fresh out the joint! You have that glow about you from all the working out and clean living. I haven't seen too many girls outside the gym. I'm not a sperg but I'm a tad shy, in particular with strangers. Once I know somebody I'm the most open person you'll ever meet, but to women I've never met in the gym I don't really strike up conversations. I think with time I'll get over it. Glad to hear you're doing good brother. Again that's bummer about the girlfriend.
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The Valuum posted:I don't see the problem with white pride either. I bet none of these guys would tell a black/latino guy that African/Latino pride is stupid. I'm don't really agree with what you said about not mixing races, I don't really care what people do or see it as a bad thing. There will always be people with "pure" bloodlines. There's no such thing as "pure bloodlines". Race is a made up concept, not something that actually exists. The whole concept of white pride is absurd, because it assumes that there is something unique about the "white race" (which is not a thing) and that there's some kind of shared identity and culture amongst all white people (which there isn't). It's like blue-eye pride or brown-hair pride. You've just picked some random characteristic and arbitrarily decided that it's important because of made up reasons.
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I am interested in the condition of the prison itself along the lines of how clean it was and the actual conditions of the buildings/rooms/facilities, etc? Do the inmates there help with the majority of the cleaning or is there staff for that?
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In jail, inmates were almost bigger enforcers of cleanliness than staff. Most of them knew every kind of virus and disease made it's way through, so keeping cells and pods clean was not usually a problem. Being locked up and having bad hygiene or not clean up after yourself is a quick way to have the other inmates turn against you. This is also one of the areas where there was a stark difference between a female pod and male pod. 6am when the cleaning cart was pushed in, you would see all the guys up doing there part (and then usually going back to bed). You rarely ever saw this in the female pods. If anyone got up at all, it was usually only 2 or 3 of the older women. Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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Dr.Caligari posted:In jail, inmates were almost bigger enforcers of cleanliness than staff. Most of them knew every kind of virus and disease made it's way through, so keeping cells and pods clean was not usually a problem. Being locked up and having bad hygiene or not clean up after yourself is a quick way to have the other inmates turn against you. Wow, really interesting gender difference there. Whenever I see some TV show or movie depicting prison life I always wonder about the stuff they don't talk about (among other things, like I am sure they add more drama to the experience then what is reality like the OP was saying). Thanks for the insight.
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Tiggum posted:Race is a made up concept, not something that actually exists. lol
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:Yeah but if the dudes are racialists, won't they be decrying your dark skin as the result of admixture with muds like Arabs and Turks? Sorta relevant, but there's something that I've always wondered about. If a guy with an obviously Arab name and is of Arab descent but looks white and isn't Muslim ends up in prison, what's going to happen to him? Would he run with the white guys or the Arabs/Muslims?
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There's a Big difference between max's and mediums. Ive been to both. In Mediums It's all up to you to keep clean. There are porters, but 90% of dorm porters don't do their jobs. Theres some dorms that are spotless and others that look like walk in ash trays. Bathrooms are the worse, no matter how much they get cleaned 5 minutes later they allways look like a truck stop bathroom again. Piss on the seats, floors. ashes on the seat and floor. wrappers and loose tobbacco from people rolling cigs. It's allways good practice to use germicide on the seat before using the bathrooms. Max's absolutely sucked. Theyre just so old that they cant help, but be dirty. When I got to clinton, I thought i was in castle loving grey skull. The humidity was crazy. For example i was writing a letter, put it down on the floor and when i woke up in the morning it was soaked through. Crazy cheesey mold globs in the air vent. I was brushing my teeth and talking to my neighbor and i had put my hand on the underside of the sink not thinking. I lifted my hand up and it was covered in black mold. Another time i was laying in my bunk smoking and a loving dinasuar of a cockroach came running by. I almost poo poo myself the thing was so big. So yeah, the cleanlyness of prison leaves much to be desired. But thats what happens when you pay people 16 cents and hour. your get a 16 cent an hour result. To that guy that asked the question about being arab and looking white. You could get away with hanging out with anyone really. I mean the white guys arent going to "clasp" you, but you prob be generally accepted. Or you could hang out with the spanish. Honestly, Theres few good white dudes in prison these days. Theyre either drug addicts, rats, or rapeos. I know thats a weird thing for a white supremeist to say, but, most white guys are trash in prison. I purposely avoid doing anything when theres white guys around. To the guy asking about Suboxone: the going rate was 3 8mg strips for 100$ I dont know if ive mentioned it yet, but one of the hardest things about being home so far is that lose of brotherhood you have with your bro's. Ive had bro's that have allways had my back thick and thin. Ive met guys willing to go to war with me, who allways had my back, even if i was in the wrong, they were there, making sure i got a fair one, or at times even willing to cut, stab, or whatever to someone for me. I would have done the same and i know thats crazy, but you get close to these guys when your in a gang. Theres been times i didnt have a pot to piss in and they allways made sure i had food, cigs, and coffee. Theres def a few bro's i plan on sending packages to once i get the means to do it. I really do miss that connection with them. I really am closer to them than most of my family. Bonus topic. I know I only did two years, but the price in smartphones really dropped and i was able to buy my first one two weeks ago. I felt like such a dumb hillbilly when i first got it. Google now and ok google have really changed my life. For the first two days though, i couldnt even figure out how to send a text message lol.
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OP, if that's your tattoo, I'd remove it, from these public forums, when you're talking about some of the activities you've taken part in on the inside. Thanks for posting this stuff. Great read.
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quote:To that guy that asked the question about being arab and looking white. You could get away with hanging out with anyone really. I mean the white guys arent going to "clasp" you, but you prob be generally accepted. Or you could hang out with the spanish. Honestly, Theres few good white dudes in prison these days. Theyre either drug addicts, rats, or rapeos. I know thats a weird thing for a white supremeist to say, but, most white guys are trash in prison. I purposely avoid doing anything when theres white guys around. Okay but what if it was a white looking Jew? Would your brothers accept them? And I still want to know about a hypothetically extremely dark skinned Greek. Let's call him Nico Poulos. Of and what if there was a black Englishman called Georgio Catalani? Would he be accepted by you guys since he is culturally British, and Brits are the master race? Or is the irrationality of your fraternity too high to accept a black guy? Let's throw in him being rich and way more cultured than you, for good measure.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:Okay but what if it was a white looking Jew? Would your brothers accept them? If you could refrain from making GBS threads up threads outside of D&D that would be swell.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:Okay but what if it was a white looking Jew? Would your brothers accept them? The answer is fuckoff you oval office. This is a good thread, stop trying to ruin it.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:Okay but what if it was a white looking Jew? Would your brothers accept them? It doesn't matter where you are or what you do in life, there's always the "What if..." guy. Don't be that guy. No one likes that guy. You'll never have every scenario you can dream up answered. Live with it.
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JiimyPopAli posted:It doesn't matter where you are or what you do in life, there's always the "What if..." guy. But I want to know what the inner "logical" workings of insane white supremacists are. I can't help that. Also his lack of response pretty much means he and his friends are simply dressing up their racist beliefs, imho. So sorry for ruining a racist criminal's thread, I guess?
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:But I want to know what the inner "logical" workings of insane white supremacists are. I can't help that. Apology accepted, now prove you're sorry by not making GBS threads up the thread anymore.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:But I want to know what the inner "logical" workings of insane white supremacists are. I can't help that. It's almost like the entire rest of the world (you know, the people outside your basement) have flaws and while not by any means perfect sometimes have really interesting stories that don't require your D&D shitpoast utopia drive-by judgement. Is the guy a little hosed up? Sure. Pretty sure I would be too if I were in that position and had some of his experiences. There go I but for the grace of God and all that. tl;dr: quit being a loving sperg
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:But I want to know what the inner "logical" workings of insane white supremacists are. I can't help that. Yes, yes you can. If you really want to know more, go to a local white supremacist group meeting and sit in the back. At the end of the meeting, put your hand up and ask a lot of "What if....." questions. They will be more than happy to fill you in. For the OP: How goes the job search? And the more obvious question: what was the craziest thing you saw while you were in?
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Legitimate question: i'm a Jewish white dude. On the one hand white, you've got the whole white pride. On the other hand Jewish, kind of goes against the whole Nazi SS thing. Would there be an issue with me finding a group, or does no one really care about heritage as long as you have an identifying color of your skin? Sorry if this has been asked before and I missed it.
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JiimyPopAli posted:Yes, yes you can. What the gently caress is wrong with you? Why do you assume I'm white? Why do you assume I'm American? I'm going to ask this piece of poo poo whatever I want to. Just you try and stop me (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:What the gently caress is wrong with you? Why do you assume I'm white? Why do you assume I'm American? I'm going to ask this piece of poo poo whatever I want to. Just you try and stop me The ignore function is one of the most glorious things on this forum. OP, thanks for the killer thread. Ignore this rear end in a top hat, keep sharing your honest unadulterated input.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:Why are they worse? USA uses chemical weapons against civilians all the time. Dropping Agent Orange in Vietnam, ffs, is probably the single most horrific war crime of the past... well throughout all of time, actually. Yeah, the holocaust was bad, it's right up there, but it didn't cause deformities and still-births on the scale that Agent Orange did - even the kids who are born without defects can find that their kids often have defects. Fallujah will likely be the same story. Willy Pete, depleted uranium, some of the compounds used in HE and other ordinance. And all of it for the sake of profits for corporations. While he might have been a dickhead, Saddam Hussein cared about Iraq, and obviously was trying to do the best thing for Iraqis. I don't think he went to war with Iran for the sake of personal profit - he was doing it because he saw in doing so a way of making Iraq a better place. Same with Kuwait. Revanchist claims aside, he saw a way to fix Iraqi finances after he failed in Iran - by taking on a wealthy but militarily weak state and using the wealth from that to fix the problems Iraq was facing in the wake of its failure in Iran. I don't think he had any racist sort of beef against the Kurds, either, since he could have wiped them out - the gas attack seems more like a payback for their betrayal, for their choosing to side with America instead of their Iraqi countrymen. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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OP, what is the relationship between the US prison system and Odinism? I had never heard of it before now. Is it widespread, or just popular in the NY State prison system, or what?
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Sweet_Joke_Nectar posted:Legitimate question: i'm a Jewish white dude. On the one hand white, you've got the whole white pride. On the other hand Jewish, kind of goes against the whole Nazi SS thing. Would there be an issue with me finding a group, or does no one really care about heritage as long as you have an identifying color of your skin? Sorry if this has been asked before and I missed it. IIRC, one of the original founders of the AB was Jewish. I couldn't find any reliable source on this, so it may be just rumour. In any case, from what I've heard it's more of a skin-colour thing than anti-Jewish, since the whole point of the gang was a way for similar looking people to organize and avoid violence directed towards them from non-white inmates, who are the majority in US prisons. OP, if I'm wrong I'd love to hear your input on the subject.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:What the gently caress is wrong with you? Why do you assume I'm white? Why do you assume I'm American? I'm going to ask this piece of poo poo whatever I want to. Just you try and stop me You're the one making assumptions. Why do you assume that they don't have supremacy groups in other places in the world? Also, I didn't assume anything about your race and I'm not sure where you came up with that idea. Anyways, the quality of this thread will go up for the next week at least. For the OP: one other question. How do people talk about what landed them in jail in the first place? Do they admit to it, or do they downplay it/blame others, etc.?
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