Politicization of sex acts and opinions about them.

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Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

Most of the non lovely parts of the world have already gotten over them, or are enjoying them in their free time. I think they even enjoy it in the lovely parts, too, just not as much.

Given that, why is someone's problem with them from a long time ago passed down in some political groups and still A Big Deal��?

Either because of gays or someone's dry run, people get crazy upset over anal sex.
Lord's Procedure is literally the medical application of fisting, but everyone flips out over fisting, unless a doctor does it to stop fissures.
Bondage makes people get weird. Dirty talk makes people think people are bigoted.
Spanking is also seen as "problematic."

Why? Why is it an issue? Why isn't it just "hey have fun doing it safely" already? I've seen a lot of words written about people on either 'side' of any of these issues and the vitriol is frankly breathtaking.

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 16:05

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

If you're going to kick off a discussion maybe spend like five minutes putting together an OP that says something interesting or insightful first.

# ? Dec 5, 2014 19:44

Rygar201: Jan 26, 2011; I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.

Can we retroactively make this about Britain's new porn law and how awful it is?

# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:10

Kit Walker: Jul 10, 2010; "The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

Rygar201 posted:

Can we retroactively make this about Britain's new porn law and how awful it is?

That's what I thought this thread was gonna be about.

I think people should be free to do whatever they want in their bedrooms so long as it's consensual.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:13

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Space Whale posted:

Why? Why is it an issue? Why isn't it just "hey have fun doing it safely" already? I've seen a lot of words written about people on either 'side' of any of these issues and the vitriol is frankly breathtaking.

The central anxiety of the modern age is that somewhere, someone is having a better time than you.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:17

Jazu: Jan 1, 2006; Looking for some URANIUM? CLICK HERE

Omi-Polari posted:

The central anxiety of the modern age is that somewhere, someone is having a better time than you.

Somewhere in the venn diagram between inspirationalness and consumerism is the idea that you ought to be infinitely happy, not 100% happy.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:29

Roguelike: Jul 29, 2006; THUNDERDOME LOSER

Rygar201 posted:

Can we retroactively make this about Britain's new porn law and how awful it is?

It wouldn't be much of a discussion. Even D&D, land of the trolls, does not have a troll great enough to defend Britain's porn laws.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:44

Last Buffalo: Nov 7, 2011

What is the new porn law?

# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:45

Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

I was just wondering why some people make it a political crusade to say a given act is bad for them as a group or identity, or oppressive in some inherent way. OTOH Britain's new porn laws are stupid as hell.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:48

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Space Whale posted:

I was just wondering why some people make it a political crusade to say a given act is bad for them as a group or identity, or oppressive in some inherent way. OTOH Britain's new porn laws are stupid as hell.

Is it similar to that Australian one where they banned performers that looked underage?

# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:49

Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

computer parts posted:

Is it similar to that Australian one where they banned performers that looked underage?

Well more like you can't use a dildo associated with violence, slap people, talk dirty, or face sit. Which pretty much ruins my fun!

# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:56

Rygar201: Jan 26, 2011; I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.

computer parts posted:

Is it similar to that Australian one where they banned performers that looked underage?

Australia's law, while stupid, is way less restrictive. Get a load of this :ohdear:

— Spanking

— Caning

— Aggressive whipping

— Penetration by any object “associated with violence”

— Physical or verbal abuse (regardless of if consensual)

— Urolagnia (known as “water sports”)

— Female ejaculation

— Strangulation

— Facesitting

— Fisting

The last three were apparently added because they encourage life endangering.

Lie back and think of England

# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:58

Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

Bondage and anal still ok though, right?

# ? Dec 6, 2014 00:59

Rygar201: Jan 26, 2011; I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.

Space Whale posted:

Bondage and anal still ok though, right?

Bondage could easily be called physical abuse, I'd say. I can't wait to see how this pans out

# ? Dec 6, 2014 01:00

Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

So we're down to vanilla and rear entry?

THIS CANNOT STAND

# ? Dec 6, 2014 01:00

Sharkie: Feb 4, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Face sitting = BANNED
Cover-ups of child sexual abuse = ...

Rygar201 posted:

Australia's law, while stupid, is way less restrictive. Get a load of this

...Aggressive whipping

Thank god passive-agressive whipping seems to be allowed. "Hey, you're kind of getting in the way of my whip here...no, no, it's fine, I'm just going to keep cracking this whip and if you're in the way I guess I can't help it."

# ? Dec 6, 2014 01:02

Homura and Sickle: Apr 21, 2013

was this the law that was cooked up by the nonce who got tipped off by law enforcement to delete all his child porn?

# ? Dec 6, 2014 01:28

fade5: May 31, 2012; by exmarx

Space Whale posted:

Why? Why is it an issue? Why isn't it just "hey have fun doing it safely" already? I've seen a lot of words written about people on either 'side' of any of these issues and the vitriol is frankly breathtaking.

Are you seriously not aware of the Sexual Revolution in the 60's?

quote:

The modern consensus is that the sexual revolution in 1960s America was typified by a dramatic shift in traditional values related to sex, and sexuality. Sex became more socially acceptable outside the strict boundaries of heterosexual marriage.

Studies have shown that, between 1965 and 1974, the number of women who that had sexual intercourse prior to marriage showed a marked increase. The social and political climate of the 1960s was unique; one in which traditional values were often challenged loudly by a vocal minority.
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"The pill" provided many women a more affordable way to avoid pregnancy. Before the pill was introduced many women did not look for long term jobs. Previously, the typical woman would jump out of the job market when she got impregnated and would reenter it when her child was of school attending age. There was a visible trend in the increasing age of women at first marriage in the decades between 1930 and 1970 after contraception was provided to non-married females. As part of the woman's quiet sexual revolution, pills gave women control over their future. In a way, the ability to pursue higher education without the thought of pregnancy, gave women more equality in educational attainment. Since women could have a choice to use birth control to finish their education, a higher percentage graduated from school and college ultimately gaining professional careers.
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The pill divorced contraception from the act of intercourse itself, making it more socially acceptable, and easier to tolerate for many detractors than other types of contraception (which had been around for years).

There are still millions of assholes convinced that the 60's sexual revolution was by far the worst thing to ever happen to America, and are trying their damnedest to stop/reverse/ignore it, while screaming all the way about "immorality" and how the 50's were better (because women didn't have any authority and Civil Rights hadn't happened yet).

Relatedly, meet Alfred Kinsey, thought of as the father of the 60's sexual revolutions, who had the audacity to imply such things as:

quote:

Kinsey is widely regarded as the first major figure in American sexology; his research is cited as having paved the way for a deeper exploration into sexuality among sexologists and the general public, and as having liberated female sexuality. For example, Kinsey's work disputed the notions that women generally are not sexual and that female orgasms experienced vaginally are superior to clitoral orgasms.
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During this time, he developed a scale measuring sexual orientation, now known as the Kinsey scale, which ranges from 0 to 6, where 0 is exclusively heterosexual and 6 is exclusively homosexual; a rating of X for "no socio-sexual contacts or reactions" was later added.

In 1935, Kinsey delivered a lecture to a faculty discussion group at Indiana University, his first public discussion of the topic, wherein he attacked the "widespread ignorance of sexual structure and physiology" and promoted his view that "delayed marriage" (that is, delayed sexual experience) was psychologically harmful. Kinsey obtained research funding from the Rockefeller Foundation, which enabled him to further study human sexual behavior. He published Sexual Behavior in the Human Male in 1948, followed in 1953 by Sexual Behavior in the Human Female, both of which reached the top of the bestseller lists and turned Kinsey into a celebrity. These publications later became known as the Kinsey Reports. Articles about him appeared in magazines such as Time, Life, Look, and McCall's. The Kinsey Reports, which led to a storm of controversy, are regarded by many as a precursor to the sexual revolution of the 1960s and 1970s.

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"Males do not represent two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not to be divided into sheep and goats. The living world is a continuum in each and every one of its aspects."

"Women are sexual and actually enjoy sex? Homosexuality is a natural part of the human condition, and most humans fall on a scale of attraction between heterosexuality and homosexuality? Such audacity, next you'll be telling me those Negroes deserve equal rights!"

If you ask someone like Rick Santorum about Alfred Kinsey, you'll probably get back a response that Alfred Kinsey is literally Satan incarnate (if you don't get a wordless screaming rage instead). :v:

fade5 fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Dec 6, 2014

# ? Dec 6, 2014 01:36

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

Rygar201 posted:

Can we retroactively make this about Britain's new porn law and how awful it is?

Yeah, David Cameron is an imbecile who's going to let an imbecilic political party not named Labour into power.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 01:39

foobardog: Apr 19, 2007; There, now I can tell when you're posting.

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I can kind of see most of them from a porn-negative feminist point of view, but female ejaculation?

Not that I support the porn negative view.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 03:04

Dmitri-9: Nov 30, 2004; There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.

fade5 posted:

Are you seriously not aware of the Sexual Revolution in the 60's?

There are still millions of assholes convinced that the 60's sexual revolution was by far the worst thing to ever happen to America, and are trying their damnedest to stop/reverse/ignore it, while screaming all the way about "immorality" and how the 50's were better (because women didn't have any authority and Civil Rights hadn't happened yet).

Relatedly, meet Alfred Kinsey, thought of as the father of the 60's sexual revolutions, who had the audacity to imply such things as:

"Women are sexual and actually enjoy sex? Homosexuality is a natural part of the human condition, and most humans fall on a scale of attraction between heterosexuality and homosexuality? Such audacity, next you'll be telling me those Negroes deserve equal rights!"

If you ask someone like Rick Santorum about Alfred Kinsey, you'll probably get back a response that Alfred Kinsey is literally Satan incarnate (if you don't get a wordless screaming rage instead).

This is all a big red herring that has nothing to do with fisting.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 17:51

rkajdi: Sep 11, 2001; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

foobardog posted:

I can kind of see most of them from a porn-negative feminist point of view, but female ejaculation?

Not that I support the porn negative view.

I think they're trying to talk about squirting, but yeah this whole law is a mess. But if passing it is the price to get the Torries to be forced out of power to die in a gutter somewhere (and then have it be repealed) is that too bad of a price?

# ? Dec 6, 2014 18:41

Periodiko: Jan 30, 2005; Uh.

foobardog posted:

I can kind of see most of them from a porn-negative feminist point of view, but female ejaculation?

Not that I support the porn negative view.

It's probably just an extension of the ban on pee.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 19:02

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

foobardog posted:

I can kind of see most of them from a porn-negative feminist point of view, but female ejaculation?

Interestingly, most of the criticism I've seen from performers/producers is from dominatrices who argue this is going to criminalize a big source of revenue for them.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 19:25

rkajdi: Sep 11, 2001; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

PT6A posted:

Interestingly, most of the criticism I've seen from performers/producers is from dominatrices who argue this is going to criminalize a big source of revenue for them.

Is the ban just on movies, or all kinds of sex work?

# ? Dec 6, 2014 22:16

Periodiko: Jan 30, 2005; Uh.

rkajdi posted:

Is the ban just on movies, or all kinds of sex work?

It's just movies, but I think the point is that dominatrices (is this seriously the plural?) could make money on the side by making S&M films and distributing them.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 22:29

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

rkajdi posted:

Is the ban just on movies, or all kinds of sex work?

As far as I can tell, it only covers video pornography. Interestingly, I've also heard that it specifically applies to the production of this material in the UK. Unlike child porn, apparently viewing or possessing this sort of material is legal provided it was not produced in the UK.

So, yeah, I have no loving clue what the point of this law was/is.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 22:30

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Periodiko posted:

It's just movies, but I think the point is that dominatrices (is this seriously the plural?) could make money on the side by making S&M films and distributing them.

That is seriously the plural. I looked it up just to make sure (apparently it's also like 'fish' where it can be its own plural!)

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rkajdi: Sep 11, 2001; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

PT6A posted:

As far as I can tell, it only covers video pornography. Interestingly, I've also heard that it specifically applies to the production of this material in the UK. Unlike child porn, apparently viewing or possessing this sort of material is legal provided it was not produced in the UK.

So, yeah, I have no loving clue what the point of this law was/is.

To move sex work somewhere else. Sounds just like anti-homeless laws, where the goal is just to push people outside the community.

# ? Dec 6, 2014 22:55

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