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Quasimango posted:http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/unidentified-queen-torture I had not read that story. That's all hosed up. I am not sure how the Senate has to get permission from anyone to do any goddamn thing.
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UberJew posted:As soon as the next administration came around the CIA was right back to business as usual with the Church Commission having accomplished exactly jack and poo poo so why would they have shot anybody? The Church comission did end up firing a lot of people, and it took the CIA to get back to business as usual. CIA dudes today still totally hate it. It also set a precedent that the one can try to rein in the CIA without risking once live. I mean, Chruschev "reined in" by the NKVD by shooting the gently caress out of Lavrentij Berija, and also have Zhukov (later Malinovsky) threaten to shoot everyone else while still extending Olive branches to other secret service people. IIRC there is a quote by him about the affair being higher risk than Stalingrad. That a bunch of people without massive military power (like well, Zhukov or Malinovsky) hosed around with the CIA accomplished something and survived was pretty uncomprehensible for a number of Soviet decision makers.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:I mean, that is one of the basic tenets of classical realist theory in international relations - countries are rational actors w/r/t their national interests, and internal politics are just fluff. I don't really agree with that, and realism has developed into many more nuanced flavors today, but that theory isn't just a Soviet view of America. There were Soviets who didnt exactly think like that, and who prefered a more democratic USA over a military coup USA or over a CIA run USA (I think they were wrong. USSR would have had better cards against a CIA run Oligarchy, or against a US military dictatorship, then they had against a working democracy), because they believed it to be weaker. Chruschev was worried about Kennedy getting couped for showing weakness in Cuba, so he threw him a bone, Which resulted in Chruschev getting couped by more hard line Soviets. History is chock full of such ironies.
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Dec 19, 2014 22:15
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I thought it was spelled like: Khrushchev ?
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Dec 19, 2014 22:32
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Mightypeon posted:There were Soviets who didnt exactly think like that, and who prefered a more democratic USA over a military coup USA or over a CIA run USA (I think they were wrong. USSR would have had better cards against a CIA run Oligarchy, or against a US military dictatorship, then they had against a working democracy), because they believed it to be weaker. Chruschev was worried about Kennedy getting couped for showing weakness in Cuba, so he threw him a bone, Which resulted in Chruschev getting couped by more hard line Soviets. Kennedy's communiques to Khrushchev through Bobby are so expert in their political tone and implicit understanding of the Soviet view of American politics at the time. To be fair, Khrushchev legitimately wanted to de-escalate, but the proper understanding of the needed face-saving would have been impossible for any other president to grasp.
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Dec 19, 2014 23:40
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I'm just saying Juan Bosch called it.
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Dec 20, 2014 02:15
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Isn't the belief that Bobby Kennedy was killed by the CIA pretty mainstream or did I listen to too much info wars when I was younger?
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Dec 20, 2014 02:48
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An Intercept article is naming names. About loving time.
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Dec 20, 2014 03:00
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Miltank posted:So none of the post-911 security increases were necessary besides firing that one lady which we didn't even do? Securing the cockpit doors was a good idea.
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Feral Integral posted:I thought it was spelled like: Khrushchev ? Хрущёв actually. Kh is more common but there's other transliteration systems, wikipedia has a big table: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian
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Dec 20, 2014 03:43
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Radish posted:Is she like Amanda Waller from Batman or something? Amanda Waller was competent. e: beaten. i read too slow
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:An Intercept article is naming names. About loving time. quote:Bikowsky’s former personal lawyer, Robert Litt, play[ed] a key role in his current capacity as a top government lawyer in deciding which parts of the torture report should be released. I know its such a trivial thing, but what fascinates me is how enclosed and corrupt some small details seem. Robert Litt is the Director of National Intelligence's general council, he was heavily involved in choosing which parts of the Senate's report should be declassified or redacted. He personally represents multiple CIA employees involved in torture programs, and in 2009, as a condition of his appointment, he had to affirm to the Intelligence Committee he would recuse himself from such situations. Robert Litt posted:I represent several present and former employees of the Central Intelligence Agency in matters relating to the detention and interrogation of suspected terrorists, By statute, under the rules of ethics and by virtue of my ethics agreement that has been provided to the committee, I will not participate personally and substantially in any particular matter involving these clients . . . including decisions about similarly situated individuals.
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Mister Adequate posted:This is my favorite part of all. The idea that the President and SIC have to 'negotiate' with the CIA over anything, instead of just giving orders and having them followed. It's the most Always fun to watch the tail wagging the dog 
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Dec 20, 2014 09:18
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
line I've yet seen about this whole catastrofuck, and it really drives home how out of control the CIA are.
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:An Intercept article is naming names. About loving time. “The Unidentified Queen of Torture” is pretty metal. Namechange please, mods? tia
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Dec 20, 2014 11:41
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I wonder how many names are in the full report if/when Udall releases it.
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Dec 21, 2014 00:30
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Kazak_Hstan posted:I wonder how many names are in the full report if/when Udall releases it. Do you really think that's going to happen? I hope it will, but that seems like something no one will see for several more decades.
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Dec 21, 2014 09:44
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Dick Durbin was interrupted by anti-torture protestors during a senate meeting: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anti-torture-protesters-interrupt-senate-prosecute-now/
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Jan 13, 2015 17:47
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Here's hoping they'll keep it up. If there's anything worth protesting in the US it's poo poo like this.
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Jan 13, 2015 18:57
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snorch posted:Here's hoping they'll keep it up. If there's anything worth protesting in the US it's poo poo like this. I completely agree but I am afraid that the country is actively trying to forget this already happened. I've had to remind my own co-workers of conversations we've had face to face about this report, like, a week ago. That's how fast most people forget.
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Kind of like the fact that I'd forgotten I'd bookmarked this thread. Yeah, it's been buried already.
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