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Bill Cowher had a lot of success but he also took like 15 years to win a Super Bowl. That's probably more patience than most front offices would show, regardless of playoff appearances.
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NC-17 posted:Bill Cowher had a lot of success but he also took like 15 years to win a Super Bowl. That's probably more patience than most front offices would show, regardless of playoff appearances. Any other ownership and I think Cowher is gone around the time Slash was going down and it was Maddox time, would have been pretty similar to Reid's tenure in Philly length-wise.
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kalensc posted:Any other ownership and I think Cowher is gone around the time Slash was going down and it was Maddox time, would have been pretty similar to Reid's tenure in Philly length-wise. Its always funny to me when Steelers fans bitch about Tomlin by saying stuff like "Cowher never would have let this happen" and its like mother fucker not every season was amazing.
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Apr 10, 2015 00:40
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Its always funny to me when Steelers fans bitch about Tomlin by saying stuff like "Cowher never would have let this happen" and its like mother fucker not every season was amazing. I'm sure you felt the same way when people talked about how great Shanahan was during McDaniel's tenure. I'm in full favor of pulling the trigger on a QB every year. The Tom-Brady-draft-a-diamond-in-the-rough plan doesn't work. Almost half of the starting QBs in the league last year were drafted in round 1 (that goes up to 60% if you include round 2). Drafting a QB round one is a weird double-edged sword: there's more pressure but they're also less likely to get yanked when they truly deserve it because their draft position needs to be justified (The Geno Smith Equation) and they are given time to develop. If Mariota falls to 5, I think a move up is justified (2-Rd. 1s and a Rd. 2 seems fair). Mariota isn't a perfect prospect but he's the best chance (in skills and draft position) the Browns could have had at QB in years.
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MonsterWalk posted:I'm sure you felt the same way when people talked about how great Shanahan was during McDaniel's tenure. 4/10
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MonsterWalk posted:If Mariota falls to Reggie McKenzie says  ...
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Its always funny to me when Steelers fans bitch about Tomlin by saying stuff like "Cowher never would have let this happen" and its like mother fucker not every season was amazing. Tomlin has had three 0-1 playoff years whereas Cowher only had two, therefore Tomlin should be tied to a coal barge and set adrift over the dam at Emsworth and then he's Cincinnati problem.
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Apr 10, 2015 01:45
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Mel Mudkiper posted:4/10 That's at least a 6 you shitheel.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:4/10 i laughed but really any joke about The Team Switch is at least a 5 for me
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This past weekend, I was looking at a picture of 3 year old me from 1989 in that Bernie Kosar uniform thing for little kids (made famous from that childhood picture of Brady Quinn), and I said to me in picture: "Enjoy that, little dude. That's the best it's gonna get. "
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MonsterWalk posted:I'm in full favor of pulling the trigger on a QB every year.
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Hockles posted:This past weekend, I was looking at a picture of 3 year old me from 1989 in that Bernie Kosar uniform thing for little kids (made famous from that childhood picture of Brady Quinn), and I said to me in picture: "Enjoy that, little dude. That's the best it's gonna get. " 👍👍👍
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But seriously imagine if manziel turns out to be good, this redemption arc is gonna be amazing.
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What team would he be on?
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Detroit_Dogg posted:What team would he be on? Traded to Detroit for a 3rd rounder after Stafford breaks his back doing a keg stand on his anniversary.
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MonsterWalk posted:But seriously imagine if manziel turns out to be good, this redemption arc is gonna be amazing. I suppose it's theoretically possible for him to be swapped with a body double alien or cyborg.
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Chilichimp posted:Traded to Detroit for a 3rd rounder after Stafford breaks his back doing a keg stand on his anniversary. kellen moore > manziel
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Metapod posted:kellen moore > manziel If scrappiness made up for a weak arm sure. If only. 
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football fuckerman posted:the best example of this is Bill Belichick probably Chuck Knoll too. He didn't win for 6 years, starting with 2 successive #1 overall picks. He had small successes prior, but until the 1974 draft, when they got four rookie starters that all became HoFers he won it all.
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The Browns had one of the better not-QB rosters in the NFL two years ago, and TFF was really high on them. Try being a Raider fan and looking at a team that had Haden, Mack, Cameron, Gordon, Thomas, Ward, and quite a few solid contributers. They were a QB away. Hardly an example of a team that went for broke on QB and neglected everything else.
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Chilichimp posted:Traded to Detroit for a 3rd rounder after Stafford breaks his back doing a keg stand on his anniversary. Speaking of the Lions, Detroit and Cleveland are not playing each other in the preseason this year. The Great Lakes Classic is no more.
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Volkerball posted:The Browns had one of the better not-QB rosters in the NFL two years ago, and TFF was really high on them. Try being a Raider fan and looking at a team that had Haden, Mack, Cameron, Gordon, Thomas, Ward, and quite a few solid contributers. They were a QB away. Hardly an example of a team that went for broke on QB and neglected everything else. It's always sad when struggling teams get the timing right on everything but QB.
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.. thought every Texans fan the last three years.
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Speaking of which. I don't hate Mike Glennon as a prospect, and I think its a shame he's wasting away in Tampa because Lovie didn't like him. He's average, with a lot of room to improve but I thought someone might have offered lovie a gently caress you pick of a 6th rounder or something to see if there was something there (providing you have a half way competent offensive coordinator and or QB coach). I gotta believe he's a better option than Hoyer and Mallett or for that matter Thad Lewis and Manziel.
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BlindSite posted:Speaking of which. I don't hate Mike Glennon as a prospect, and I think its a shame he's wasting away in Tampa because Lovie didn't like him. He's average, with a lot of room to improve but I thought someone might have offered lovie a gently caress you pick of a 6th rounder or something to see if there was something there (providing you have a half way competent offensive coordinator and or QB coach). I gotta believe he's a better option than Hoyer and Mallett or for that matter Thad Lewis and Manziel. I thought Glennon has been getting a lot of interest? Or is Lovie keeping him around in spite of that? Haven't been following that situation that closely. As for the Texans, these are all just bridge QBs to roll with while we wait for 2017. Tom Brady will turn 40, the Patriots will release him because Belichick will promise Kraft he can win a SB with a trackling dummy under center, and finally Houston will have a real QB.
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BlindSite posted:Speaking of which. I don't hate Mike Glennon as a prospect, and I think its a shame he's wasting away in Tampa because Lovie didn't like him. He's average, with a lot of room to improve but I thought someone might have offered lovie a gently caress you pick of a 6th rounder or something to see if there was something there (providing you have a half way competent offensive coordinator and or QB coach). I gotta believe he's a better option than Hoyer and Mallett or for that matter Thad Lewis and Manziel. Lovie has been talking Glennon up for ages, but since his actions haven't reflected his words it's pretty much a given that he's trying to increase Glennon's trade value. However, Glennon is a cheap, capable back-up and the QB market is dry as hell so unless the Bucs are offered a decent mid-round pick it doesn't look like Glennon will be moved. I like Glennon a lot so I hope he doesn't end up on a team I hate. Or the Browns, no one deserves that.
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Epi Lepi posted:Lovie has been talking Glennon up for ages, but since his actions haven't reflected his words it's pretty much a given that he's trying to increase Glennon's trade value. However, Glennon is a cheap, capable back-up and the QB market is dry as hell so unless the Bucs are offered a decent mid-round pick it doesn't look like Glennon will be moved. Last year he was a backup on the Buccaneers, sooo....
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football fuckerman posted:Last year he was a backup on the Buccaneers, sooo.... My team is bad with a slim hope of improvement. Yours is so dysfunctional it's sad and I feel bad for every fan and every player on it.
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Would you guys prefer to have 1 picks in round 1 this year or somehow trade one of the picks to have a 1st for next year when there are better QBs available and we can move around?
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Ehud posted:I'll coach the Browns. I'll take GM. Let's go the Cleveland Goons bitch.
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For the fifth pick in the draft, the Cleveland Browns select a ham sandwich *sandwich throws for 275 average a game and wins MVP*
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Gatts posted:Would you guys prefer to have 1 picks in round 1 this year or somehow trade one of the picks to have a 1st for next year when there are better QBs available and we can move around? I'd like to get Shelton and a WR. We have a very hazy idea what the 2016 QB class will be like and I'd rather be out future-future draft picks than lose this year's.
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Gatts posted:Would you guys prefer to have 1 picks in round 1 this year or somehow trade one of the picks to have a 1st for next year when there are better QBs available and we can move around? It's far too early to know anything about next year's QB class. Remember at this time two years ago, bridgewater was going first overall. Plus as this year shows, one or two good prospects doesn't make the class good unless you have one of the top two picks anyway
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Cool cool. Apparently part of the reason Barkevious Mingo didn't perform to expectations is because he was injured last year. If he's healthy this year I'm hoping for a lot of improvement. I'd still want an OLB and ILB this draft. Like Davis Tull and Taiwan Jones in the 4th. Or Shelton and Bud Dupree and then go for a WR in the 2nd or 3rd. I'd also prefer Shelton over a WR at 12. http://www.chatsports.com/cleveland-browns/a/Browns-defensive-coaches-amped-up-about-Barkevious-Mingo-Pierre-Desir-1-11302998 quote:O’Neil’s answers: outside linebacker Barkevious Mingo and cornerback Pierre Desir.
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Tomorrow we witness the public execution of a national treasure.
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The Browns are putting on a fashion show and you're all invited http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/2015-uniform-reveal.html They're having 9 players and 9 former players wear the uniforms. The list of nine players who will model the jerseys are: Joe Thomas, Donte Whitner, Karlos Dansby, Barkevious Mingo, Dwayne Bowe, Brian Hartline, Armonty Bryant, Chris Kirksey and Taylor Gabriel. Nine different alumni will also stroll down the orange carpet Tuesday, including Hall of Famer Jim Brown, Greg Pruitt, Hanford Dixon, Jamel White, Dan Fike, Bob Golic, John Thierry, Felix Wright and Kevin Mack. Also, there are 9 different color combinations. 9 players, 9 former players, 9 color combinations. Simply flip those numbers upside down and you will know the truth.
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I'm gonna be home for this...  Also, a 2nd store tried to sell those Orange jerseys: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/04/did_columbus_store_just_confir.html
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Uniform changes are weird. After a few games you don't even think about the old stuff.
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Ehud posted:Uniform changes are weird. After a few games you don't even think about the old stuff. I will never stop thinking about the dolphin losing his helmet sorry
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