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triple sulk: Sep 17, 2014

scala is dead

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:20

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 22:57

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

triple sulk posted:

scala is dead

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:22

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

scala? i hardly know a'!!!

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:23

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

The Management posted:

java is a decent language but everything else in the Java ecosystem, from IDE to servers, stacks, and runtimes are all huge piles of garbage. the coders are garbage, too.

on the contrary, java is a merely ok language supported by the best ecosystem in existence. the best ides, the best servers, the best stacks, and the best management tools

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:33

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Plastic Snake posted:

I don't know why you'd ever use Java ee these days. spring is good

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

the jsf spec is literally drool and poop smears on paper

a few years ago i went to a panel discussion where the whole panel was people on the java ee steering committee

they expressed essentially these same opinions. not even java ee's standards committee is happy with java ee. and every panel member expressed straight-up hatred for jsf

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:34

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Doctor Goat posted:

i took c# and java last semester and i have no reason to ever want touch java again

this might partially be b/c my teacher demanded we never use any sort of UI designer and do all work in Swing and do it without help

Maximum Leader posted:

im doing wildfly, it seems kind of gay tbh. i have no idea what a stateless bean is but i power through and hopefully will create a passable project somehow.

this is where java hate comes from

kids who don't know their rear end from their elbow are tossed into circa-2002 enterprise java bean hell by teachers who have never worked in the field professionally, and they come away thinking java is poo poo because they have nfc what they were doing and it all sucked

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:37

leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

a few years ago i went to a panel discussion where the whole panel was people on the java ee steering committee

they expressed essentially these same opinions. not even java ee's standards committee is happy with java ee. and every panel member expressed straight-up hatred for jsf

i don't understand why the whole java ee wheel keeps spinning. like, who is driving its continued existence??

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:39

pram: Jun 10, 2001

teh enterprise

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:41

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

i don't understand why the whole java ee wheel keeps spinning. like, who is driving its continued existence??

it's not really spinning anymore.

historically java ee was driven by/for "middleware" vendors, who sold libraries + app servers that were supposedly essential. nowadays it just standardizes pre-existing open source APIs, making them mandatory for middleware vendors to ship. e.g. if you want to be "java ee 8" compliant, you will find yourself needing to ship spring mvc, or a really close clone of it.

....if java ee 8 ever ships. it very well might not. and even if it does, there might not be an ee 9.x. open source has become such a big deal in java-land, java ee and middleware are fading from relevance.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:44

theadder: Dec 30, 2011

send more java

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:45

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

good and cool stuff is happening in java open source all the time. the java standardization effort is cranking along just fine. JSRs and the JCP are in fine shape.

it's just java EE isn't very important anymore. that's ok with me.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:46

pram: Jun 10, 2001

go will kill java

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:47

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

the jcp is pretty good and even though nobody anywhere has ever needed java ee everyone has used parts of java ee.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:48

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

pram posted:

go will kill java

lol

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:48

leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

PleasingFungus posted:

please provide a source for this hilariously earnest appeal to yospos to use noted garbage language scala

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:52

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

Shaggar posted:

lol

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:54

pram: Jun 10, 2001

cool stuff written in go: docker
cool stuff written in java: none lol its all poo poo people hate using

# ? Mar 1, 2015 01:56

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

writing java code makes you a living. what does writing go get you? a featured stackoverflow question maybe

# ? Mar 1, 2015 02:00

pram: Jun 10, 2001

and writing half assed django school projects makes u valeyard

# ? Mar 1, 2015 02:01

Maximum Leader: Dec 5, 2014

is there really a point to java now when we have .net though?

# ? Mar 1, 2015 02:03

pram: Jun 10, 2001

no. and theres no point to .net now that we have go

# ? Mar 1, 2015 02:04

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

Other companies and sites using Go:
� MongoDB

# ? Mar 1, 2015 02:10

emoji: Jun 4, 2004

pram posted:

cool stuff written in go: docker
cool stuff written in java: none lol its all poo poo people hate using

Also everything that allows them to actually manufacture your Mac computer is in Java

# ? Mar 1, 2015 02:12

pram: Jun 10, 2001

oh yeah i forgot people love using oracle ebso and fusion

# ? Mar 1, 2015 02:14

pram: Jun 10, 2001

*signs million dollar licensing check with cheery smile*

# ? Mar 1, 2015 02:15

pram: Jun 10, 2001

durrrr did u know, poo poo enterprise software is in java :smuggo:

- fuckin retard

# ? Mar 1, 2015 02:18

Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

PleasingFungus posted:

pre:

YOSPOSers�

I came across an article yesterday morning about
a nonfunctional (or, is it dysfunctional?) programmer's
experience learning Scala:

     http://www.vasinov.com/blog/16-months-of-functional-programming/

The article makes some interesting points�and mentions some
of the failings of the brain-dead, for-the-monkeys languages
like Java:

- immutability allows for cleaner code that's less
  error-prone; multithreading is easy without shared mutible
  state

- first-class functions allow for modularity, abstraction,
  and code re�se

- pattern matching allows compact, readable,
  straight-forward destructuring / examination of data

- comprehensions provide a tool for concisely expressing
  transformations

- type inference reduces the work on the programmer without
  sacrificing type safety

- type variance is totally broken in Java; Scala failed to
  make this error

- Scala has lazy and by-name variables / parameters which
  are annoying (at best) to simulate in languages like Java

�but� Much more than this, functional programming is a tool
to expand one's mind, to see things differently, to approach
problems from a new (and, we in the functional community
would argue, better) perspective:

     �The reason that functional programming forces you
     to learn so much is because it challenges every
     assumption about writing software that you had.�

Scala seems to hava a lot af �haters� in YOSPOS, although
none of them has ever presented a valid technical argument
against the language or a valid technical claim suggesting
that it wouldn't make code shorter, cleaner, more
moduler, and easier to maintain.

I was recalling fondly during a conversation the other
evening that YOSPOS once valued learning, growth, and good
ideas � These days, it seems that the only things that
anyone cares about is Jira tickets, immediate-short-term
goals, and separating investors from their money. When did
we lose our way?

�and� For those who still care about learning and exposing
themselves to new ideas, I just heard of this Coursera
course about reactive programming:

     https://www.coursera.org/course/reactive

Come for the functions and monads; stay for the actors!

//cheers
~PleasingFungus

plays Principled Engineer @ com.yospos.engineering.core.content
Since 1834 *not* a member of Solutions.

this post was very pleasing

# ? Mar 1, 2015 02:21

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

this time it's definitely the year of functional languages on the ~~mainframe~~ ~~minicomputer~~ ~~server~~ ~~desktop~~ ~~phone~~ watch

# ? Mar 1, 2015 02:46

suffix: Jul 27, 2013; Wheeee!

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

this is where java hate comes from

kids who don't know their rear end from their elbow are tossed into circa-2002 enterprise java bean hell by teachers who have never worked in the field professionally, and they come away thinking java is poo poo because they have nfc what they were doing and it all sucked

it's kind of inevitable because schoolwork will mostly have you rewriting things that already exist, and java is tedious for everything except stringing prewritten libraries together

# ? Mar 1, 2015 03:29

Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

project lombok seems cool. i feel like there are hidden reasons why i'll regret using it though

# ? Mar 1, 2015 03:44

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Flat Daddy posted:

project lombok seems cool. i feel like there are hidden reasons why i'll regret using it though

afaik lombok is dead. the goal was to develop an interest group that could move the jcp towards including the new features in the core language. that didn't happen. now lombok has no purpose

if you want cool extensions to java, look to high-interoperability alternative languages: scala, groovy, kotlin. all three take pains to be java compatible, but give you new capabilities.

# ? Mar 1, 2015 03:49