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Mumpy Puffinz posted:i like the pagan gods better because they were stupid assholes with power and knew it. I wish I could seduce a chick by turning into a swan Bunch of jock assholes always picking on nerdy outsider Loki, who just wanted to be one of the cool kids.
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Agag posted:It doesn't matter. There are entire fields of history and anthropology devoted to studying cultures without written records. Well, not History, really... History requires a written record. Prehistorical / Forensic Anthropology, Archaeology, and probably some interdisciplinary scholars who work between them, yes, but a Historian needs the texts. Otherwise, yes, but since I was only talking about writing systems to refute, "there is nothing written from the celtic or anglo pagan religions," don't try to stretch my words past that narrow argument, because that would be wrong. There aren't any extant texts, but that's probably because they were destroyed rather than not existing at all.
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Mar 30, 2015 23:00
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Wow, amazing. Thanks for pointing out that archeology is technically a separate discipline from history. Ever gently caress a wiccan broad?
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Mar 31, 2015 00:56
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Most of my sexual history is witches of some variety.
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Mar 31, 2015 04:57
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^^^^You have my sympathy.osirisisdead posted:The Ogham alphabet is proof that the Celts had a writing system and suggests a deeper culture that was actively destroyed by the Christian invaders. That's all. I'm not claiming that Wicca is legit. This is, I'm afraid bullshit. The pagan Celts* were famously proud of their ability to memorise massively long texts and even had this as required training for Druids as recorded by Greek and Roman commentators. (*the whole definition of 'Celt/Celtic', particularly when thinking about continuity between Prehistory and History, is hotly debated - is it linguistic? is it an art style? did they even call themselves Celt/Kelt?) Christian invaders??? When? If this had happened how would a Christian invasion be different from getting invaded much earlier by the pagan Romans and the later arrival of pagan Angles and Saxons? (It didn't happen, the christianisation of the British Isles happened through missionary work not invasion and resulted in a specific, unique brand of Celtic/Ionan Christianity - look up the Synod of Whitby.) osirisisdead posted:Well, not History, really... History requires a written record. Cool, you were refuting something that wasn't said. The fact is that Ogham inscriptions are not used as a source for information about pagan Celtic/British religion (again, most of them are genealogical/grave markers "X son of Y" etc. and most of those are probably early Christian). We do have some contemporary writings about the pre/proto-historic Celts by others and a fair amount of information is buried in the Irish Mythic cycles, particularly if working from the original Old Irish text and not later translations (in a similar way to the Icelandic Sagas). Even Iolo Morganwg's Druid-revival collections of oral folklore are being reassesed as perhaps less delusional/opium fueled than they have been claimed to be. By "Anglo pagan religion" you presumably mean the Germanic religions of the Angles and Saxons which were i)not 'Celtic' and have no connection to Ogham and ii) introduced to Britain from mainland Europe and replaced the existing 'Celtic' religion so not sure why you are trying to link them. (Mind you, since you earlier called a Thelemic Gnostic Mass a 'black mass' I'm guessing that you're working fairly fast and loose with definitions....) Just because you are a product of a literate culture and can't conceive of life without writing doesn't mean that past societies valued or even had a need for text - the majority of humans that have existed to date were illiterate. Source: I am a qualified prehistoric archaeologist who (for my sins) used to be married to a Celticist who both specialised in pagan Celtic religion and taught a modern/New Age version of pagan Celtic spiritual practice (which is as crazy as it sounds).
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Mar 31, 2015 13:33
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Romans came along and beat the poo poo out of the Celts and the Celts believed whATever the romans believed because the Celtic belief system was "whoever kicks our rear end is correct" and then Christians came along and most of East Anglia went along with that and they started taking it reall seriously and burning witches and stuff lol. good stuff
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Mar 31, 2015 13:37
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*drinks menstrual blood out of a wooden bowl*
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Depends on the time of day. I was wiccan by my alarm 5 hours ago.
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