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Supreme Commander is real strategy and Starcraft is just a game of who can click stuff faster.
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Apr 6, 2015 06:40
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P-Mack posted:It should be like "The Wizard" where everyone's like "Super Mario THREE???! We haven't trained for this!" eSports would be way way better like this. I'd sit through a half hour Starcraft match (or however long that poo poo takes) if, at the end of it, they switched over to GoldenEye, then over to Age of Empires, then some beta version of a game in development, then to Fallout 1 (if neither of you bring back the water chip in 30 days, you BOTH lose), then DOTA or some stupid poo poo, over to Soul Caliber. Final Round: Independence Day - the pinball game. Having a competition and earning actual money for being good at one video game you're really good at would have sounded self-centered when I was 13, let alone as an adult.
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Apr 6, 2015 13:48
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Planarch posted:Supreme Commander is real strategy and Starcraft is just a game of who can click stuff faster. In all seriousness, Supreme Commander would have been absolutely incredible if it got patched and improved for years after release like StarCraft.
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Apr 6, 2015 14:30
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toggle posted:do these electronic sports team have training sessions? what do they train? map layouts? do the tournaments have special unseen maps just for the tournament? because that would actually show legitimate skills and tactics instead of hiding behind a door on a map they've been playing since 1998 I think they should do both. One established map, and one wildcard to see which team is better at organizing and thinking on the fly.
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Apr 6, 2015 16:06
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I think Badeball would be watchable if they randomly had spikes or lava pits on the field, and then after every game the players had to do Double Dare style challenges.
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Apr 6, 2015 16:12
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I think esports are pretty cool OP, they give me the option to get a scholarship and make money without really having to move. E: As a side note athletes are over payed. Helpimscared fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Apr 6, 2015 |
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Apr 6, 2015 16:17
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Dicere posted:eSports would be way way better like this. I'd sit through a half hour Starcraft match (or however long that poo poo takes) if, at the end of it, they switched over to GoldenEye, then over to Age of Empires, then some beta version of a game in development, then to Fallout 1 (if neither of you bring back the water chip in 30 days, you BOTH lose), then DOTA or some stupid poo poo, over to Soul Caliber. Final Round: Independence Day - the pinball game. yeah being good at several video games makes you cool
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Apr 6, 2015 17:37
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The playing video games for money thing makes sense, I mean people will bet on anything. I just can't believe they get so many fans to show up to these events to watch people play DOTA live.
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Apr 6, 2015 18:04
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"athletes are overpaid" apparently there is a natural or divine amount that people should be paid. socialist scum.
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Apr 6, 2015 18:32
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:i would say the most damning thing about esports is that their fans get desperate for some sense of legitimacy. i do get into esports sometimes(not watching any currently) but i don't see why i should care if the public at large is interested, it's not like there's a lack of content or players. ColoradoCleric posted:Competitive smash no items because I'm a baby that can't adapt fluidly to random situations People also tend to exaggerate smash tourny rules way too much. Only a couple stages were banned, it wasn't fox on fd only or whatever weird misconceptions people had. The few banned stages were again ones where it gave specific characters way too strong of an advantage or simply added too much chance to the game. The rules were largely added because the game wasn't designed to balance in mind, it was supposed to be a party game not a serious fighter. That's why they added tripping to brawl; it was an intentional barrier to competitive play. The unique stocking system made for a super cool and strategic fighting game though, so people did their best to come up with rules that let people play on equal ground where skill determines the outcome of the match. If you want to play it like a party game that's totally fine, but its simply not a balanced competitive game with items on.
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Apr 6, 2015 18:43
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*fap fap fap fap* My God...simply gorgeous!
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Apr 6, 2015 18:44
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ArbitraryC posted:Eh I dunno if that's fair. Pretty much the only time I ever hear anyone mention esports is to poo poo on them, like in the OP. Esports people pretty much only argue about the validity of their hobby when someone else starts the fight. I uses to read and sometimes post on Team Liquid Dot Net so I know there's more to it than that
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Apr 6, 2015 18:47
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:I uses to read and sometimes post on Team Liquid Dot Net so I know there's more to it than that I mean yeah they talk about esports on esports forums but in gbs for example 100% of the threads on the topic were made to make fun of them. People aren't going out of their way to tell you to watch them.
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Apr 6, 2015 18:52
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I played varsity DOTA back in high school... those were truly the best years of my life.
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Apr 6, 2015 19:05
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I was captain of the chess team. Nbd e: btw if any non-sport got into the Olympics it would be chess. Already chess players have to take doping tests as an IOC measure. Also chess will never be in the Olympics
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Apr 6, 2015 19:07
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ArbitraryC posted:
You can still have a valid competitive environment with items enabled though, and items are cooler and better than no items, especially given item throwing. Over time the randomness evens out and the better players will have a higher win percentage.
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Apr 6, 2015 19:15
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Ocean Book posted:You can still have a valid competitive environment with items enabled though, and items are cooler and better than no items, especially given item throwing. Over time the randomness evens out and the better players will have a higher win percentage. also if you want a serious eSport don't play smash problem solved
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Apr 6, 2015 19:25
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I play smash with no items because we had a friend who would just run around and collect items and just talk massive poo poo when he got a hammer and thought he was some kinda golden god. He kinda sucked so we started playing without items so he wouldn't play with us.
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Apr 6, 2015 19:29
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Playing with items on is a different game, it adds variance but variance does not eliminate the advantage that skill provides, it does change which skills are relevant, though. Poker has variance and you see people consistently put up results and make a living off it; that isn't just luck. If you want a deterministic game play chess or something, just don't try poker and get mad that it isn't more like chess when you refuse to treat it like a different game.
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Apr 6, 2015 19:46
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Starving Autist posted:Playing with items on is a different game, it adds variance but variance does not eliminate the advantage that skill provides, it does change which skills are relevant, though. Poker has variance and you see people consistently put up results and make a living off it; that isn't just luck. If you want a deterministic game play chess or something, just don't try poker and get mad that it isn't more like chess when you refuse to treat it like a different game. i see you're doing a great job keeping up the "autist" portion of your name but i would appreciate it if you put more effort into the "starving" portion, preferably by starving yourself to death.
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Business Gorillas posted:i see you're doing a great job keeping up the "autist" portion of your name but i would appreciate it if you put more effort into the "starving" portion, preferably by starving yourself to death. I would argue that wishing death on internet strangers over smash bros is more indicative of autism than having a basic understanding of how games work, but 
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Apr 6, 2015 19:49
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Ocean Book posted:You can still have a valid competitive environment with items enabled though, and items are cooler and better than no items, especially given item throwing. Over time the randomness evens out and the better players will have a higher win percentage. And yet people who are good at the game consistently find it a shittier game at a high level play when items are on. I mean I get what you're saying in that statistically over a broad enough number of games the chance element should be neutral to both players (ignoring that certain characters like fox are going to benefit from items significantly more than larger more sluggish ones), but when you have tournaments where only the top 8 or whatever play longer matches no one wants to leave to something that was largely beyond their control in that particular game. eSports Chaebol posted:also if you want a serious eSport don't play smash problem solved This is more the valid point though, the smash community was just trying to make the game fit to a competitive esport because the stage/life system was amazingly cool but realistically the game just wasn't meant for that kind of scene.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:02
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ArbitraryC posted:Eh I dunno if that's fair. Pretty much the only time I ever hear anyone mention esports is to poo poo on them, like in the OP. Esports people pretty much only argue about the validity of their hobby when someone else starts the fight. i read every word of this
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Apr 6, 2015 20:19
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please tell me more about how you competitvely play a childs video game
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Apr 6, 2015 20:20
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Do it ironically posted:please tell me more about how you competitvely play a childs video game As a literal child.
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Apr 6, 2015 20:21
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ArbitraryC posted:Eh I dunno if that's fair. Pretty much the only time I ever hear anyone mention esports is to poo poo on them, like in the OP. Esports people pretty much only argue about the validity of their hobby when someone else starts the fight. mmm interesting
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Apr 6, 2015 20:48
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Dicere posted:Having a competition and earning actual money for being good at one video game you're really good at would have sounded self-centered when I was 13, let alone as an adult. grats on saying the stupidest/most nonsensical thing itt
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Apr 6, 2015 20:55
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You are an elitist douche if you don't play Smash the correct way, which is with items ON.
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Apr 6, 2015 21:13
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i think video games are better when you take the fun parts out
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Apr 6, 2015 21:17
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THE PENETRATOR posted:poker, like chess, is actually interesting to watch if you're not extremely invested in it Poker fun to watch? Your an idiot.
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Apr 6, 2015 21:23
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Prorat posted:You are an elitist douche if you don't play Smash the correct way, which is with items ON. I do, except only with the explosives and the drop rate is at max.
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Apr 6, 2015 21:35
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toggle posted:do these electronic sports team have training sessions? what do they train? map layouts? do the tournaments have special unseen maps just for the tournament? because that would actually show legitimate skills and tactics instead of hiding behind a door on a map they've been playing since 1998 Tournaments don't debut new maps, no, because there'd be no way to guarantee that the maps would be balanced without people having played a million games on them to figure everything out. I don't know much about professional FPS play, but I do know that there are a number of different strategies that the teams practice because in the few CS GO games I've watched you see the players throwing out smoke grenades in very specific locations at very specific timings to produce some pretty cool results. Pro MOBA players have gone on record saying that they practice 10+ hours a day before big tournaments, usually by scrimming against other pro teams, with both teams in an agreement in regards to what heroes are going to be picked so that they can try out new strategies.
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Apr 6, 2015 22:49
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Dr. Carwash posted:grats on saying the stupidest/most nonsensical thing itt I can't take all of the credit. Robitussin deserves at least some of the praise. What I'm saying is, I'm not terribly impressed if some kid kicks rear end in Starcraft and only Starcraft. Now if a kid kicked rear end at drat near any game he/she touched, that might be more enticing to watch. It seems to me to be a little immature to play a game and think "I am SO AWESOME at this game. They should have a tournament with a stage and a cheering crowd and announcers and I can show the world I'm the very best at [insert game title here]." That's poo poo a 9 year old would dream up and now it's real. What the gently caress. Let me know when there's a tournament for Syphon Filter on the PS1, because I'll take home the gold for USA.
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Apr 6, 2015 22:53
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Nanomashoes posted:Tournaments don't debut new maps, no, because there'd be no way to guarantee that the maps would be balanced without people having played a million games on them to figure everything out. I don't know much about professional FPS play, but I do know that there are a number of different strategies that the teams practice because in the few CS GO games I've watched you see the players throwing out smoke grenades in very specific locations at very specific timings to produce some pretty cool results. Pro MOBA players have gone on record saying that they practice 10+ hours a day before big tournaments, usually by scrimming against other pro teams, with both teams in an agreement in regards to what heroes are going to be picked so that they can try out new strategies. in starcraft 1 the organization behind the tournaments also had professional map makers who would make and test maps and then send them to the pro teams who would develop strategies in anticipation of the upcoming "season" and games are waaaay more interesting when the players get to prepare
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Apr 6, 2015 22:54
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shut the gently caress up and stop real talking
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Apr 6, 2015 22:55
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