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AsInHowe posted:Playoff series won with Steve Yzerman in the front office in four years: 10 with/without Nicklas Lidstrom on the ice is probably a more accurate way to frame this
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Eric the Mauve posted:with/without Nicklas Lidstrom on the ice is probably a more accurate way to frame this His candidacy for "Best defenseman to ever live" only grows stronger when you look at what this team looks like without him.
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Apr 30, 2015 03:33
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Lidstrom has a good argument to be considered the GOAT at any position in my humble opinion
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Apr 30, 2015 03:34
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Dattserberg posted:wonderllama is a cool dude because he lives in Florida and actually gives a poo poo about hockey; a rarity in that hellhole. I live here too.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:I lived in tampa for 6 months during their cup run, therefore my second favorite team is TB. I lived in Florida for 9 years and have been to many Panthers games. The people in attendance are usually pretty clueless about hockey and only interested when their team is good. I find it really hard to like their teams, but like Neo said, Stevie Y and Fil are pretty cool dudes.
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Apr 30, 2015 03:35
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Dattserberg posted:I lived in Florida for 9 years and have been to many Panthers games. The people in attendance are usually pretty clueless about hockey and only interested when their team is good. I find it really hard to like their teams, but like Neo said, Stevie Y and Fil are pretty cool dudes. stevie Y is the reason I wear the #19 in my beer leagues 
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Dattserberg posted:I lived in Florida for 9 years and have been to many Panthers games. The people in attendance are usually pretty clueless about hockey and only interested when their team is good. I find it really hard to like their teams, but like Neo said, Stevie Y and Fil are pretty cool dudes. Sounds just like people in Pittsburgh to me 
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Apr 30, 2015 03:42
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Eric the Mauve posted:Lidstrom has a good argument to be considered the GOAT at any position in my humble opinion
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Apr 30, 2015 04:08
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you can live in and/or lived in Florida but you also gots to be cool. like me. cool poster wonderllama. furthermore, I also have a dirt bike. probably. as far as you know.
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Eric the Mauve posted:with/without Nicklas Lidstrom on the ice is probably a more accurate way to frame this Or, to frame it even more accurately, here's the Stanley Cup engraving from 2008.  Here's who the Red Wings have lost from that team, in some major way. - Steve Yzerman - Scotty Bowman - Nicklas Lidstrom - Valtteri Filppula - Jiri Hudler - Johan Franzen - Chris Osgood - Dominik Hasek The front office lost one of the top GM's in hockey (Stevie) and one of the greatest hockey minds ever (Scotty). The defense lost the greatest defensive defenseman of all-time (Lidstrom). Bad free agency priorities lost Filppula and Hudler, and lost Hossa (who came in 2009). Bad injury luck lost Franzen, effectively. Retirement lost one of the greatest goalies ever (Hasek) and a HOF'er or close to it (Osgood). Ken Holland, on his own, seems to be taking on water. Things were easier when you had a stacked front office, including Jim Devellano, on board with everything. Now, it's just Ken and Mike, who are at odds with each other. The talent level was not replenished to full capacity in any sector of the organization.
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Wonderllama posted:you can live in and/or lived in Florida but you also gots to be cool. like me. cool poster wonderllama. furthermore, I also have a dirt bike. probably. as far as you know. Yea, well I currently live in Tampa. 
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vyst posted:Yea, well I currently live in Tampa. New Tampa is... a place that exists. I swear.
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Apr 30, 2015 04:28
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curiousCat posted:New Tampa is... a place that exists. I swear. I actually live there, but I never call it that because it's pretentious as gently caress. I just say north tampa.
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vyst posted:Yea, well I currently live in Tampa. dirt bike status?
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Wonderllama posted:dirt bike status? I have a bike I take on dirt trails? But it requires human power.
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Apr 30, 2015 04:30
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AsInHowe posted:and a HOF'er or close to it (Osgood). 
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Apr 30, 2015 04:31
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400+ wins, three Stanley Cups, two cups as a starter. Not a bad resume. Also, scored a goal and the last goalie to wear the helmet/cage mask.
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Say what you will about Ozzie, he should've won the Conn Smythe in '08
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AsInHowe posted:400+ wins, three Stanley Cups, two cups as a starter. Not a bad resume. Also, scored a goal and the last goalie to wear the helmet/cage mask. Dandy Kaiser posted:Say what you will about Ozzie, he should've won the Conn Smythe in '08
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Apr 30, 2015 04:49
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Dandy Kaiser posted:Say what you will about Ozzie, he should've won the Conn Smythe in '08 One Lidstrom goal away from winning it in '09. 
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Apr 30, 2015 04:50
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If he doesn't replace Hasek, they lose in the first round to Nashville. 3 shutouts, one of 3 goalies that postseason to post a .930+ sv%, won his first like 9 starts. Hate him all you want for all the mediocre poo poo he's done in the past, be he was excellent that playoff and it was the best hockey he's ever played by a wide margin. I'm the furthest thing from an Osgood apologist, but he was the most important player to the Red Wings in that playoff year. They do not win the cup without him at all. Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Apr 30, 2015 |
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Apr 30, 2015 04:52
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Dandy Kaiser posted:If he doesn't replace Hasek, they lose in the first round to Nashville. 2 shutouts, one of 4 goalies that postseason to post a .925+ sv%, won his first like 9 starts. Hate him all you want for all the mediocre poo poo he's done in the past, be he was excellent that playoff and it was the best hockey he's ever played by a wide margin.
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:That doesn't sound like an actual reason to have him over Zetterberg or Lidstrom. Saying he was one of the top 4 goalies by save percentage that year especially seems like a weird way to frame his as the Playoff MVP. The Wings had 3 players with double digit goals, and if Franzen wasn't hurt in the WCF, he would've been the 3rd forward with 20+ points and could've outscored Hank. Zetterberg had a great playoff but he was not the Wings MVP, it was most definitely Ozzie. Honestly, if any skater was the Wings MVP, it was Franzen, He literally outscored Colorado by himself
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Dandy Kaiser posted:The Wings had 3 players with double digit goals, and if Franzen wasn't hurt in the WCF, he would've been the 3rd forward with 20+ points and could've outscored Hank. Zetterberg had a great playoff but he was not the Wings MVP, it was most definitely Ozzie. Dandy Kaiser posted:Honestly, if any skater was the Wings MVP, it was Franzen, He literally outscored Colorado by himself
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Apr 30, 2015 05:45
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:At the time they moved out Hasek he was coming off a better season than Osgood had This is just flat out not true, they split starts the entire season, Osgood's was a bit better and he was stronger down the stretch in the games he started. Many people thought he should've been starting in the playoffs from the jump. Hasek posted a .902 in 07-08 and that was the first year he really began to drop off. He was propped up by the team in front of him for 41 starts and it was pretty apparent through the 4 games he started that he'd reached the end of his rope. He could've been carried through the playoffs, but it's equally as, if not more, likely that he would've just been not good enough.
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I think the argument is stronger for Osgood in 09, honestly. Dude was awesome that year.
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