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Waroduce posted:Re: Quarterback Talent This is a good post and USA #1, but what was meant was that regardless of the rule changes or schemes, the overall distribution of talent to take advantage of the present situation is the same as it's always been. That is to say there's the same number of effective starters in the league capable of producing in this environment to the standards we expect of a "good" quarterback as there were back in the 70s, just that the situation and those standards have all changed over time. That being said, I disagree with that notion - because as people have said there were a lot more quarterbacks that seemed to be in the "top tier" recently, where as before you had a very clearly set group of the "elite" and then a very clear set of everyone else (with an obvious bottom to everyone else). Now this may be because we see offenses with more talent or quicker advances in offensive scheming, but as the league was still adjusting to the different rules we saw a spike in QB play relative to the past averages. Not in terms of stats (though of course we saw that), but in numbers of QBs that were able to play at a high level. I think that's leveled off some, as defenses have adjusted we're back to more historically "reasonable" performances from QBs - the average numbers are up, but the number of truly distinguishable QBs are about the same. We still have no idea what's coming though, look at how people were projecting Cam's draft class worth of QBs, or how quickly RG3's career was completely destroyed. I doubt we'll go back to the crazy amount of "talent" we had in the mid-late 00's, but there's plenty of promise in the future. Speaking of cam - I'm so glad That Works is getting shouted down for being a total loving idiot. You can't seriously argue that there are "excuses" made for Cam and he's just an average QB. Especially if you factor in his contributions on the ground and his size/long term durability. He's shown himself to be a young quality starter that can absorb some damage and change how defenses scheme against his team as a whole. You lock guys like that up and you hold on tight. Or you end up in QB-limbo, like the Saints every year before Brees, or about 10 other teams in the league right now. Also Ray RIce is definitely worth kicking the tires on, you're going to see if a guy who has shown great pass catching/blocking abilities has enough left in his legs to contribute as a situational 3rd down player. I also agree with the bills fan that said he shouldn't be in Buffalo, their backfield has enough talent. But the guy who said he'd do well in Dallas? Spot on. Give him a line like that, a QB that would make good use of a swing safety valve, and an oft-injured starting RB that he could spell for stretches, it's a perfect fit. Since it's the Cowboys and PR is the #1 concern with the wife-beating piece of poo poo, you're never going to see it, but it'd be a great idea for them to give him a shot. Last thing - gently caress i'm stoked for football to come back.
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FizFashizzle posted:Last year cam had torn ankle ligaments, broken ribs, and was tboned and had his back broken and very nearly killed. But he had such a good offensive line opening holes for DeAngelo WIlliams, Mike Tolbert, and 3 plays worth of J Stew, or blocking until he could throw to Philly Brown and Jericho Cotchery! His numbers still went down because he's a fraud! Edit: Chilichimp I know you're joke posting but please stop because i get trolled too easily and take everything on the internet serious so my heart cant take your saying Tebow is better than Alex Smith tia
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Jun 1, 2015 21:55
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Bad Moon posted:I'm still super salty about that time Ted Ginn Jr returned a punt and a kickoff for a touchdown against the Seahawks when he was playing for the Niners. Nah that loving owned. They were within like 20 minutes real time too if I remember right.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:03
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@APMarkLong: Jaguars awarded QB Jeff Tuel off waivers from Buffalo thank god
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Jun 1, 2015 22:05
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That Works posted:Realtalk, what do you use for facts if not numbers in this scenario? I use his on field play as an indicator most importantly decision making . Cam isn't perfect but last year he made huge strides as a passer so next year it's very possible for him to be better but maybe not statically better. That Works posted:You say he doesn't have a good supporting cast or system but has that been significantly improved this season? If so how would that be quantified? If the new left tackle is average I say cam's supporting cast has significantly improved just on the fact he won't have to worry about his blind side all the time. I'm not sure how that will be quantified because the growth of the players around him and how good funchess/all the other rookies is unknown. That Works posted:In part I agree with you as I said in my earlier post that he wouldn't get any better without a change of scenery. I feel like it's just people making excuses for Cam though because his numbers are steady or slightly dropping each year and you can always point to another part of the team that isn't doing well and make that the issue. You have the right to feel that way but I feel like it's a little premature to feel like that for a qb that has looked as promising as cam. That Works posted:Like, a common opinion is that Brees is old and busted after last season (that's getting close to being true Brees will be fine That Works posted:Cam might be good, with the right team around him. With the team he has right now he's average, and I don't see anything changing to make him significantly better. Maybe if he played for another team whose QB was nearing the end of his career... Which says a lot because the offense around him has been pretty bad.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:11
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). You could also say that since his defense was dogshit and he was throwing a lot down a few scores that secondaries had an easier time picking him off and hurting his stats.
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Nick mangold's sister is the better athlete. https://instagram.com/p/3Znllss7xi/
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Jun 1, 2015 22:11
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KettleWL posted:But he had such a good offensive line opening holes for DeAngelo WIlliams, Mike Tolbert, and 3 plays worth of J Stew, or blocking until he could throw to Philly Brown and Jericho Cotchery! His numbers still went down because he's a fraud! good thing all of those things are better now
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Jun 1, 2015 22:13
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Parmesan Basil posted:All of the QBs in the discussion are better than the one on my team. Please be more considerate when complaining about your top twenty-five QB. Thank you. Please don't quarterback shame Ehud posted:@APMarkLong: Jaguars awarded QB Jeff Tuel off waivers from Buffalo I'm glad Tuel Time will continue , even if it's not in Buffalo.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:47
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PrinceRandom posted:good thing all of those things are better now His line is somewhat improved (theoretically anything they put there is an improvement), he has another target in Funchess (remains to be seen if that matters of course), another year of development in Benjamin, and hopefully significantly less injuries this year. Next year they're entirely out of cap hell and can make a run at some targets, or linemen, or (most likely) terribly over pay for an old RB! Regardless, the point wasn't that Cam Newton's situation is now perfect, the point was that Cam's situation has been pretty loving terrible, actively getting worse since his rookie year. What That Works is calling regression is really him keeping the team afloat as they toss more and more weight on top of him. It'll get better, eventually.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:48
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FizFashizzle posted:Nick mangold's sister is the better athlete. good god
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Jun 1, 2015 22:51
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Great news on the Cam Newton signing. It's nice to have a franchise QB. Honestly, there are 3 QB's I'd rather sign to a 5 year deal today. They are: - Rodgers - Luck - Wilson Every one else is old (Brees, Manning), beat up (Roethlisberger, Romo) or tainted (Brady). There are other QB's that are maybe on Cam's level or close to it, but Rodgers, Luck, and Wilson are the only 3 I can see having a better 5 year period than Cam.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:53
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Same but no Russell. The Panthers have done what they have with Cam at the helm and no spending money whereas the Seahawks have been getting a ton of production from players on rookie contracts. Just wait until the Panthers can afford a top flight left tackle (which is almost a foregone conclusion by now).
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Jun 1, 2015 22:59
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 Gronk posted:“My drink is usually vodka with water because it gets you hydrated and drunk at the same time,” he explains after the sommelier has departed. “I never drink wine. There’s only one wine I like, but I forget what it’s called. It tastes like Sprite.”
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Jun 1, 2015 23:00
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zimbomonkey posted:Same but no Russell. The Panthers have done what they have with Cam at the helm and no spending money whereas the Seahawks have been getting a ton of production from players on rookie contracts. Just wait until the Panthers can afford a top flight left tackle (which is almost a foregone conclusion by now). I put Russel in there because he's got a ring, and he got it done with a bunch of lovely receivers. Unlike some QB's, who have great receivers, a hall of fame tight end, and still can't get it done.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:04
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He's right about Vodka and water. The real protip is vodka + Gatorade + Redbull in a Camelbak
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Jun 1, 2015 23:12
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FINGERBLASTER69 posted:I put Russel in there because he's got a ring, and he got it done with a bunch of lovely receivers. Unlike some QB's, who have great receivers, a hall of fame tight end, and still can't get it done. I can't figure out if this is about Romo or Ryan.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:24
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Oh sure thing, that makes total sense.quote:[Louis] Murphy played with Tebow at the University of Florida and when asked on a recent Sirius XM appearance if he was worried about Winston's off-the-field life at Florida State, he pulled out the old Tebow card.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:30
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Ryan, because ROmo is too old/injury concerns to be considered anyways imo.
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I thought he was talking about Rivers lol
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Jun 1, 2015 23:38
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This is new. I forgot Murphy played in Tampa bay. And Carolina absolutely caters to Cam, as they should. He needs big receivers so you get him big receivers
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Jun 1, 2015 23:39
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FizFashizzle posted:Last year cam had torn ankle ligaments, broken ribs, and was tboned and had his back broken and very nearly killed. How much better can he realistically get while playing under the same hyper conservative HC and OC? Not to mention that o-line.
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Jun 1, 2015 23:44
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Wow you guys are usually screaming for a new thread at the turn of midnight on a new month. What's happened?
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Jun 1, 2015 23:46
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we're grieving over the loss of the andy dalton thread rip
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Chilichimp posted:Tim Tebow is better than Alex Smith. mhm
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Jun 1, 2015 23:50
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Relentlessboredomm posted:How much better can he realistically get while playing under the same hyper conservative HC and OC? Not to mention that o-line.
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FizFashizzle posted:They'll start off 0 fer with a loss to the Seahawks, then panic and air it out on the way to an entertaining 9-7, NFC south championship, first round win, and loss to Seattle. I think this is the year Ron stops pulling late season wins out of his rear end. 7-9 and they still make the playoffs 
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