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Jul 3, 2015 23:05
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goldrush posted:the gently caress? Would be curious to hear the story on this one, beloved longtime trainers don't really ever get fired. That's the kind of move that can really alienate players, too, they love their trainers Yeah, like seriously, what the gently caress could Mike Burnstein have possibly done to get himself fired, other than like they're just cleaning house of everyone good and awesome?
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Jul 3, 2015 23:25
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HookShot posted:Yeah, like seriously, what the gently caress could Mike Burnstein have possibly done to get himself fired, other than like they're just cleaning house of everyone good and awesome?
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Jul 3, 2015 23:32
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ThinkTank posted:Joel Ward signed with the Sharks I'm actually looking forward to seeing him on the team.
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Jul 3, 2015 23:32
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Whale Cancer posted:I'm actually looking forward to seeing him on the team. I wanted both him and Paul Martin for like a zillion years now, so I'm actually... happy? 
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Jul 3, 2015 23:38
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ThinkTank posted:In ongoing puzzling Canuck moves Benning fired Mike Burnstein, the longtime trainer of the Canucks and Team Canada. This makes no sense. Maybe he figures that Ryan Miller's injury was Burnstein's fault.
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Jul 3, 2015 23:50
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Joel Ward is a good player but don't expect more than third line production out of him. He will help the Sharks for sure though.
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Jul 4, 2015 00:23
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HELLO LADIES posted:I wanted both him and Paul Martin for like a zillion years now, so I'm actually... happy? Yeah they would have been great signings about a zillion years ago
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Jul 4, 2015 00:24
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Mind_Taker posted:3 years $9.825M for Ward to the Sharks. I guess he's a league average player. As long as he only gets third line minutes I'm ok with the signing. Yeah ok we're cool tofes posted:Yeah they would have been great signings about a zillion years ago You really haven't explained how his dollars or term is bad you just keep being crappy about it. Mind_Taker posted:Joel Ward is a good player but don't expect more than third line production out of him. He will help the Sharks for sure though. As long as he's glued to the third line where he belongs then I'm cool with it. Whale Cancer posted:I'm actually looking forward to seeing him on the team. If our goaltending is in the same realm of mediocrity as last year I can't imagine this year being any worse.
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Jul 4, 2015 00:31
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Sorry dude I was just making a joke about how they're both old
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Jul 4, 2015 00:36
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He will be more productive than Scott, Desi and Shep were. I think he would work well on a line with Wingels and Tierney.
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Jul 4, 2015 01:55
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I guess DW is going for actually trying to build a contender again because he failed at alienating Jumbo and Patty enough to start a full rebuild, but they're still old so he's getting other old guys who'll fall apart at about the same time but still have tradeable contracts or something once that's over and it's time to actually tank hard?
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Jul 4, 2015 02:03
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HELLO LADIES posted:I guess DW is going for actually trying to build a contender again because he failed at alienating Jumbo and Patty enough to start a full rebuild, but they're still old so he's getting other old guys who'll fall apart at about the same time but still have tradeable contracts or something once that's over and it's time to actually tank hard? I can already see Jumbo being the next vet whose hopes and dreams Chicago uses as fire for their black magic voodoo bullshit en-route to their next goddamn cup. bub spank posted:Why does everyone keep saying Ottawa got worse? Other than losing Condra, they dumped an entirely replaceable #6 d-man (who will be replaced by last year's Eddie Shore trophy winner) and traded a backup goalie who's put up mediocre numbers for a few years now. And Condra's likely going to be replaced by Shane Prince or Matt Puempel, who likely won't drive possession as well as Condra but will put up more points. They didn't really get any better, and they basically made the playoffs as a result of an insane SV% from a goalie who wasn't even good in the AHL (and where he is in terms of skill remains to be seen) and some insane shooting percentages (that are inflated, but not as much as we might think). Basically, there are too many unknowns to know which Ottawa is going to show up next season, and as a result it's easier to assume they're going to stumble. Realistically the Atlantic next year is probably going to be Tampa, Montreal, Detroit and then !LOGJAM!. Comparatively, the Metro is going to just be a colossal clusterfuck. Schlesische fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 02:23
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I don't think Hoffman's numbers are that inflated. He is a really good offensive player. He has a deceptively great wrister in particular. His natural shooting % is probably well above 10. Stone is obviously not gonna shoot 20+% again though.
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Jul 4, 2015 02:41
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tofes posted:Sorry dude I was just making a joke about how they're both old There's no joke and or sarcasm font for me to tell cause you're always so grumpy 
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Jul 4, 2015 03:37
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It's true that they're incredibly unlikely to get another standout performance from Andrew Hammond. Instead they might get it from actual good goalie, Craig Anderson. I think they're in the same just in/just out spot they've been in for the past 4 years.
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Jul 4, 2015 03:49
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Ottawa is realistically going to look exactly like they did through mid-February when they hit a hot streak. Just a reminder, Andrew Hammond's only "L" in his NHL career came at the hands of the New York Rangers, who chased him when Tanner Glass scored their fifth goal of the night 36m into the game.
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Jul 4, 2015 05:05
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Zodijackylite posted:Ottawa is realistically going to look exactly like they did through mid-February when they hit a hot streak. And AV laughing when he scored it. That game was fun.
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Jul 4, 2015 05:19
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Schlesische posted:, which they will probably do because a lot of Leafs fans are stupid and want all the wins now. I mean, obviously any fan base would prefer their team win, but leaf fans have shown we don't give a poo poo if they don't.
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Jul 4, 2015 05:24
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:It's true that they're incredibly unlikely to get another standout performance from Andrew Hammond. Instead they might get it from actual good goalie, Craig Anderson. They will probably end up in the 3rd/4th-6th/7th logjam that will ensue, and that's just a massive crapshoot. The East is going to be amazing to watch next year. The Atlantic has 6, 7 teams that could feasibly challenge for the Playoffs and the Metro has 6 teams that are right there. And then there's the whole "lets not get destroyed by the West!" thing that appears to still be a thing. pseudodragon posted:Why do people keep saying this when it has been provably not true since at least the early 80s? The overwhelming majority of what fans of every other team in every other market get is Toronto media rather than Leafs fans. And Toronto media seems to want to push the "win now, the tomorrow can get hosed" narrative. Schlesische fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Jul 4, 2015 |
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Jul 4, 2015 05:24
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Naet posted:Does Buffalo have a defence? They have about 3/4 of a decent, young, defense, but didn't manage to sign anyone good to plug the two holes, and they had nonexistent depth, which Murray signed a bunch of losers to 1 mil contracts to see how it goes. None of which I know enough about to get angry with yet. I mean they can't be worse than the Mez and Benoit tank commanders, but at least they're warm bodies. GMTM did throw contracts out there, but Sekera was probably pretty burnt from his last stint in Buffalo so blegh. Oduya still hasn't signed? Is he 100% back to Chicago?
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Jul 4, 2015 12:22
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Justin Williams going to the Caps to help win game 7's and Joel Ward going to San Jose to score That Late Goal are both humorous, fantastic moves. Dallas is rumored to be in on Oduya, maybe that's the delay. They're also looking at what it would cost for Cody Hodgson. I really don't care what they do as long as there's at least one more top4 quality defenseman in that lineup to pad it out.
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Jul 4, 2015 14:02
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DOOMocrat posted:Justin Williams going to the Caps to help win game 7's and Joel Ward going to San Jose to score That Late Goal are both humorous, fantastic moves. Do you mean Cody Franson?
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Jul 4, 2015 16:37
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tofes posted:Do you mean Cody Franson? yeah I think he does. This is the first I've heard of Dallas being in on Johnny Oduya, from all of the information that has leaked out so far it kind of sounds like the team is more interested in trying to pilfer cap-strapped clubs than getting involved in the UFA market.
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Jul 4, 2015 16:46
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Kings have re-signed Jamie McBain for one year. There are still question marks due to Voynov possibly being suspended again/torn achilles/conditioning. Best possible defense for the Kings looks something like: Muzzin - Doughty McNabb - Voynov Martinez - Greene McBain/Forbort
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Jul 4, 2015 17:45
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God gently caress you Buffalo. How on loving earth is ROR worth 7.5 x 7. Mother gently caress Stepan is going to get paid
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Jul 4, 2015 20:09
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THE MACHO MAN posted:God gently caress you Buffalo. How on loving earth is ROR worth 7.5 x 7. Mother gently caress Stepan is going to get paid I'd be ok with giving close to that for Stepan if it weren't for Staal and Girardi's horrendous contracts.
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Jul 4, 2015 20:19
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LmaoTheKid posted:I'd be ok with giving close to that for Stepan if it weren't for Staal and Girardi's horrendous contracts. I think north of 7 at that term should be reserved for PPG players imo. Though I've not actually bothered to look what % of the cap that is so I might be thinking in like 2010 numbers. I mean even at 7 -7.5 I think Stepan is worth way more to the team than cutting him loose over $1m or so (or basically a TannerFucking Glass). But it just blows that they're signing him after that. Frankly, I am kind of surprised they didn't try to get him inked before ROR. Maybe his agent was waiting on that. W ho knows.
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THE MACHO MAN posted:I think north of 7 at that term should be reserved for PPG players imo. Though I've not actually bothered to look what % of the cap that is so I might be thinking in like 2010 numbers. He's basically the #1 C and 24 years old. He's not a PPG player but he's been improving every year and the team basically falls apart without him in the lineup. I'm sure his agent had a lot to do with it since he held out on his last contract which in hindsight should have been a McD style FA buyout. I really hope Gorton doesn't continue this trend of kicking the can WRT locking up core players long term but I also heard he's been pretty involved with contract talks the last few years.
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Jul 4, 2015 20:48
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LmaoTheKid posted:He's basically the #1 C and 24 years old. He's not a PPG player but he's been improving every year and the team basically falls apart without him in the lineup. Yeah I mean that's kind of my view on it. It sucks but he's averaged around .8ppg the last 3 years, and was almost a ppg in the lockout year. It's pretty reasonable to expect him to be a 60 to maybe 75 pt guy over the next few years. Even if $7m is high now, it isn't in 3 years. it just blows or the reasons you noted: that's a big $ to swallow at the moment
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Jul 4, 2015 21:10
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...Dan Ellis?
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Jul 4, 2015 23:41
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Someone has to be the starter in Hershey.
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Jul 4, 2015 23:46
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THE MACHO MAN posted:Yeah I mean that's kind of my view on it. It sucks but he's averaged around .8ppg the last 3 years, and was almost a ppg in the lockout year. It's pretty reasonable to expect him to be a 60 to maybe 75 pt guy over the next few years. Even if $7m is high now, it isn't in 3 years. Also keep in mind that every year of this deal is UFA years. That makes a huge difference.
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Jul 5, 2015 00:53
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Gonna go ahead and say that in a few years the O'Rielly/Eichel duo is going to be better than both the Crosby/Malkin duo and the McDavid/RNH duo. That contract is a great one for ROR and ensures they'll have an elite two-way center for a very long time.
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Jul 5, 2015 01:08
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The Ryan O'Reilly contract is interesting because he doesn't have great boxcars so you have to think he and his agent used advanced stats to negotiate.
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Jul 5, 2015 01:18
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tofes posted:The Ryan O'Reilly contract is interesting because he doesn't have great boxcars so you have to think he and his agent used advanced stats to negotiate. He's got reputation though. He's one of those cases where advanced stats guys and old school hockey guys are in total agreement that the boxcars don't tell the whole story. I never got the impression Tim Murray was anything but an old school hockey guy. He just likes a more speed / possession based game and has a good eye for guys who can play it.
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Jordan7hm posted:He's got reputation though. He's one of those cases where advanced stats guys and old school hockey guys are in total agreement that the boxcars don't tell the whole story. I never got the impression Tim Murray was anything but an old school hockey guy. He just likes a more speed / possession based game and has a good eye for guys who can play it. Ottawa took the wrong Murray. I am kind of surprised Oduya hasnt been picked up yet and I have to wonder if he is just flat out asking for too much. I doubt its money thats keeping him away and probably term. He will be 34 when next season starts and last I heard he was looking for a minimum of 4 years, which I cant blame sane GMs from turning away.
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