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Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

enraged_camel posted:

More than 20% of the UN budget comes from the US.

Which comes down to a little bit over a billion dollars. A lot to the UN, not much to the US.

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Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Hal_2005 posted:

Do you honestly think a FedEx courier and his packing receipts was the case break in pinning down Osama? The USA is lucky Pakistan does not turn over the 10 years of deniable drone activities and black prisons on Paki soil to the free tribals, plus sue the USA for damages incurred in the 'war on terror'. The blowback and civil claims under NY law would be well north of the US$3b in foreign aid PAK received each year. 1 prison nearly impeached Bush, what would 20 sites that we know of (!!) do for the Obama "legacy".


lol@pakistan suing the US government in New York courts

Truly the nuclear option for Pakistan

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Somfin posted:

Which comes down to a little bit over a billion dollars. A lot to the UN, not much to the US.

Yeah, so if the U.S. got nailed for 8 billion dollars like Russia did, they would say "fine bitches, enjoy having 20% less budget for 8 years!" And massively gently caress them over.

Sorry guys but the fact of the matter is that the UN is the USA's bitch and a total laughing stock here. No one in America takes the UN seriously.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
It's been a while since I heard Pigford brought up and expected to be taken seriously.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

I was rejected by the:

team overhead smash posted:

so feel free to hector them about it too.

This is my favorite typo ever.

*defeats you in duel, pulls your dead body behind chariot around city walls*

Falstaff Infection
Oct 1, 2014

Sergg posted:

This is my favorite typo ever.

*defeats you in duel, pulls your dead body behind chariot around city walls*

Where's the typo? To hector somebody means to bully or browbeat him. It derives from portrayals of the Iliad's Hector in medieval/renaissance drama.

Falstaff Infection
Oct 1, 2014
[quote="Hal_2005" post="448783606"]
I'm loving chomping at the bit to tear OP a new lobotomy and rear end in a top hat, because using whitehouse.org henpecked statistics to support the POTUS is one of the dumbest things I have seen pass for 'critical discussion' around these parts. Obama is one of the worst presidents in US history. Small P.

To draw a few lines in the sand for argumentative sake:

- Only POTUS to leave office with less than 4 trade deals inked. Actually if you exclude TPP, US trade policy fell under Obama worst since 1975 (Carter).


- Taken Israeli relations to their lowest point since 1967.

- Afganistan and Pakistan are still bitter about that whole killing Osama on their soil, without telling them thing. Ironic seeing Barry was the biggest voice on 'illegal' occupations.




Most of the items you listed are just fake fox news scandals (lol you actually mentioned the loving IRS thing. Why not throw in FEMA camps and Chemtrails too?) but the three that I've selected up there are actually positive. Like who in the goddamn world judges presidents based on "number of trade deals inked?"

Falstaff Infection
Oct 1, 2014
Also that's not what "henpeck" means.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

enraged_camel posted:

Yeah, so if the U.S. got nailed for 8 billion dollars like Russia did, they would say "fine bitches, enjoy having 20% less budget for 8 years!" And massively gently caress them over.

Sorry guys but the fact of the matter is that the UN is the USA's bitch and a total laughing stock here. No one in America takes the UN seriously.

It's clear that you certainly don't. You also seem to think this is a good thing.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

I was rejected by the:

Falstaff Infection posted:

Where's the typo? To hector somebody means to bully or browbeat him. It derives from portrayals of the Iliad's Hector in medieval/renaissance drama.

Really? I thought he was just trying to type "heckle". That's awesome. I didn't even know that "hector" was a verb.

Falstaff Infection
Oct 1, 2014
Yeah I guess it was pretty typical for Hector to be portrayed as a grade-A douchebag in old-timey plays, rather than the heroic/tragic character that we're familiar with from the original source material and modern adaptations. I dunno why that was, maybe it was just to make Achilles a less ambiguous character or something?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
It's more than if you were a hero in an epic war poem in ancient times you were expected to brag and boast about how badass you were. These days being humble about your accomplishments is considered preferable. The result is fellows like Hector seem like rear end in a top hat braggarts.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Falstaff Infection posted:


Most of the items you listed are just fake fox news scandals (lol you actually mentioned the loving IRS thing. Why not throw in FEMA camps and Chemtrails too?) but the three that I've selected up there are actually positive. Like who in the goddamn world judges presidents based on "number of trade deals inked?"

Actually, if you bothered to follow the IRS thing, recently there were subpoenaed emails released that shows that the IRS was explicitly given instructions to gently caress with people. The only reason it took so long to come up is because there was an actual, literal coverup (complete with destroyed hard drives).

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Somfin posted:

It's clear that you certainly don't.

Correct, and it's not just me. The fact of the matter is that the UN exists in very, very large part because of the U.S. That's part of the reason the U.S. is a permanent member of the security council and can veto any resolution that means a drat. Which is something they have taken full advantage of. On top of that, the U.S. can basically ignore any resolution it doesn't want to follow, and no one can do anything. I mean what are they gonna do? Place economic sanctions on the world's largest economy and most powerful country?

quote:

You also seem to think this is a good thing.

It's neither good nor bad. The UN exists for a specific reason (to hide the influence of powerful countries behind a thin illusion of democracy), but it has done some good things and managed to promote stability. I was simply describing what would happen if it attempted to try and convict its most powerful member of war crimes.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

-Troika- posted:

Actually, if you bothered to follow the IRS thing, recently there were subpoenaed emails released that shows that the IRS was explicitly given instructions to gently caress with people. The only reason it took so long to come up is because there was an actual, literal coverup (complete with destroyed hard drives).

By "gently caress with people" you mean "enforce the law" and in such a way that targeted progressives too, then yes.



But then again, I'm sure you'd argue that only conservative organizations are allowed to use the word "patriot" in their name.

Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Aug 13, 2015

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Trabisnikof posted:

By "gently caress with people" you mean "enforce the law" and in such a way that targeted progressives too, then yes.



But then again, I'm sure you'd argue that only conservative organizations are allowed to use the word "patriot" in their name.

Nice try,

When you are arguing against someone, it helps to know what you're talking about, and you clearly don't. The IRS has been dragging their feet on the issue from day 1.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

-Troika- posted:

Nice try,

When you are arguing against someone, it helps to know what you're talking about, and you clearly don't. The IRS has been dragging their feet on the issue from day 1.

Nice try posting a link to Judicial Watch like they're not biased.

When you cite a source, it helps to know what you're talking about, and you clearly don't. I'd suggest googling Larry Klayman.


(Also, I never said they didn't drag their feet. Good job shifting those goalposts so quickly!)

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Trabisnikof posted:

Nice try posting a link to Judicial Watch like they're not biased.

When you cite a source, it helps to know what you're talking about, and you clearly don't. I'd suggest googling Larry Klayman.


(Also, I never said they didn't drag their feet. Good job shifting those goalposts so quickly!)

Judicidal Watch has the emails right on their website. Are you claiming these emails are fake?

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

-Troika- posted:

Judicidal Watch has the emails right on their website. Are you claiming these emails are fake?

Look at these damning emails!!!


quote:

The section’s attorneys expressed concern that certain section 501(c) organizations are actually political committees “posing” as if they are not subject to FEC law, and therefore may be subject to criminal liability. The attorneys mentioned several possible theories to bring criminal charges under FEC law. In response, Lois and Judy eloquently explained the following points:

Under section 7805(b), we may only revoke or modify an organization’s exemption retroactively if it omitted or misstated a material fact or operated in a manner materially different from that originally represented.


If we do not have these misrepresentations, the organization may rely on our determination it is exempt. However, the likelihood of revocation is diminished by the fact that section 501(c)(4)-(c)(6) organizations are not required to apply for recognition of exemption.


We discussed the hypothetical situation of a section 501(c)(4) organization that declares itself exempt as a social welfare organization, but at the end of the taxable year has in fact functioned as a political organization. Judy explained that such an organization, in order to be in compliance, would simply file Form 1120-POL and paying tax at the highest corporate rate.
Lois stated that although we do not believe that organizations which are subject to a civil audit subsequently receive any type of immunity from a criminal investigation, she will refer them to individuals from CI who can better answer that question. She explained that we are legally required to separate the civil and criminal aspects of any examination and that while we do not have EO law experts in CI, our FIU agents are experienced in coordinating with CI.

The attorneys asked whether a change in the law is necessary, and whether a three-way partnership among DOJ, the FEC, and the IRS is possible to prevent prohibited activity by these organizations. Lois listed a number of obstacles to the attorneys’ theories:


Just damning!


This next quote is literally described as a "smoking gun":

quote:

“Some entities claiming tax-exempt status as social welfare organizations under 26 U.S.C.&501(c)(4) appear to be engaged in political activities more appropriate for political organizations claiming tax-exempt status under 26 U.S.C.&527,” Sen. Levin wrote. “Because of the urgency of the issues involved in this matter, please provide the following information by April 20, 2012.”

This is by far the dumber of the two emailgates currently.

Sergg
Sep 19, 2005

I was rejected by the:

Yes heaven forbid the IRS actually enforce the law on these out-of-control campaign finance vehicles of Super PACS. Let's all cry a bunch of crocodile tears for illegal donor organizations funneling money into politics.

ANIME AKBAR
Jan 25, 2007

afu~

-Troika- posted:

Judicidal Watch has the emails right on their website. Are you claiming these emails are fake?

They have a lot of interesting poo poo:

Benghazi: What The Government Wants Us To Think
Oregon Offers Minors Taxpayer-Funded Sex Change Sans Parental Consent
U.S. Pays Black Comedian to Deliver Anti-White Racist Tirade at Fed Agency
Mexican Cartels Smuggle Terrorists into U.S. Through Rural Texas Border Region
CDC Official Calls Obama Worst President, Amateur, Marxist After Influx of Illegal Alien Minors

Yeah this is straight up ad hom but seriously are you making GBS threads me.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Republicans constantly break the law in nearly every variety available to them. It has literally been reddit-tier racialist revision that the IRS targeted batshit con groups as opposed to actually spying on little old ladies knitting because they might be commies or were anti-Iraq war. You know things that are actually still happening because Bush ruined the presidency.

All of this was the IRS, not even getting into the other alphabet agencies crimes against the American people.

Republicans deserve the wilderness.

Lemma
Aug 18, 2010
Let's not forget North Korea continues to nuke the joint up free of consequences. Oh and that Seth Rogan debacle never seems to have yielded results either. Bit of a let down.

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Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Nonsense posted:

Republicans constantly break the law in nearly every variety available to them. It has literally been reddit-tier racialist revision that the IRS targeted batshit con groups as opposed to actually spying on little old ladies knitting because they might be commies or were anti-Iraq war. You know things that are actually still happening because Bush ruined the presidency.

All of this was the IRS, not even getting into the other alphabet agencies crimes against the American people.

Republicans deserve the wilderness.
Meanwhile the Canada Revenue Agency under our right wing oil lobbyist prime minister started aggressively auditing environmental charities to make sure they aren't being too political. No scandal there I'm sure :allears:

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