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Subyng posted:We can categorize things as being good or bad without having to invoke the "nature" argument. For example, pollution, depletion of natural resources, destruction of environments and the extinction of species are all "bad" (from our perspective anyway, in the cosmic sense it's all the same poo poo), whether or not these activities are "natural" should never be part of the discussion. Beep Boop I have spent so long in-front of a computer that I can no longer see things in non-binary terms.
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Beef Turret posted:The nature argument is useful since humanity adapted to wild nature, not to modernity. It's you who arbitrarily disassembles everything into constituent parts until they seem interchangeable Why can't we just decide whether something is beneficial or harmful without using nature as part of the argument? Take chemicals, for example. Chemical toxicity is not black and white and has no relation to whether those chemicals can occur in "nature" or must be synthesized by humans. All chemicals are toxic given the right amount. It's much more useful to know about the specific properties of those chemicals than to divide them into naturally-occurring and artificial, two meaningless qualifiers.
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Sep 3, 2015 23:51
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solaranus posted:Beep Boop I have spent so long in-front of a computer that I can no longer see things in non-binary terms. ??? Natural vs. artificial is seeing things in binary terms which I am arguing against...
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Sep 3, 2015 23:54
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Magick is not natural - in fact to alter reality by force of will is the very definition of "against nature"
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Sep 3, 2015 23:57
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i ll smoke weed with you op
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Sep 3, 2015 23:58
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Subyng posted:??? Natural vs. artificial is seeing things in binary terms which I am arguing against... Natural vs. artificial presents a spectrum i.e. objects can be compared relative to each other. You're saying crank that poo poo all the way to natural for everything because everything is at least a tiny bit natural.
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SirEvelynTremble posted:Magick is not natural - in fact to alter reality by force of will is the very definition of "against nature" woah well said
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Sep 4, 2015 00:05
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dont challenge the groupthink OP
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basement jihadist posted:hOly poo poo PIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Sep 4, 2015 00:06
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Now google solipsism and try to marry the concepts of free will and cause and effect. 
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and of course you are literally correct but thats not what is meant by the terms as they are more labels for groups with similar characteristics, although it is very often used in a loving stupid way, thats another issue entirely
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Sep 4, 2015 00:07
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I must be gay because I used this exact line on my family during a car ride to make my brother feel better about his muscle worship fetish he keeps telling literally everyone he meets about
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Sep 4, 2015 00:16
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Now google solipsism and try to marry the concepts of free will and cause and effect. i RFUSE TO MARRY THESE GAYS
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Sep 4, 2015 00:17
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Everything is unnatural. Previously the universe existed as nothing, but then everything existed violating natural the laws of thermodynamics. Why would you ever describe something as natural?
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solaranus posted:Everything is unnatural. Previously the universe existed as nothing, but then everything existed violating the natural laws of thermodynamics. Why would you ever describe something as natural? science is the human art of naming observable processes and predicting future events hope this h's
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Sep 4, 2015 00:19
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basement jihadist posted:i RFUSE TO MARRY THESE GAYS You'll marry them both and you'll like it young man!
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Sep 4, 2015 00:20
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Subyng posted:Why can't we just decide whether something is beneficial or harmful without using nature as part of the argument? Take chemicals, for example. Chemical toxicity is not black and white and has no relation to whether those chemicals can occur in "nature" or must be synthesized by humans. All chemicals are toxic given the right amount. It's much more useful to know about the specific properties of those chemicals than to divide them into naturally-occurring and artificial, two meaningless qualifiers. There are many reasons why the distinction between artificial and natural is useful. Take attribution. Technological innovations are good in some ways and bad in others, and while the good is obvious and direct, the bad is often indirect and not obvious, e.g. many diseases like poliovirus became as virulent as they did because of the rise of the civilization of Egypt, as a consequence of overcrowding. AIDS originated in Leopoldville, an over-crammed slave state. Few viruses could spread or evolve among sparse populations of hunter-gatherer bands. If the ancients had known this in time many modern diseases would never have existed. So in addressing the underlying causes of the discomforts of modern life, drawing these distinctions is vital.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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the natural state of this thread is the gas chamber
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Sep 4, 2015 01:10
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Each of us shall give birth to a billion stars formed from the mass of our wretched and filthy bodies.
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Sep 4, 2015 01:12
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Broenheim posted:the natural state of this thread is the natural gas chamber
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Broenheim posted:the natural state of this thread is the gas chamber
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Sep 4, 2015 01:24
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similar to how a cucumber is a fruit in a biological sense and a vegetable in a culinary sense, words can have multiple contextual meanings, op 
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its tautological given a reasonably loose definition of nature, i mean, me, if a faerie came through a portal and threw a +1 anything at me, i'd just have to be like "oh okay so faeries portals and enchanted items are natural okay"
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Sep 4, 2015 01:46
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Ocean Book posted:similar to how a cucumber is a fruit in a biological sense and a vegetable in a culinary sense, words can have multiple contextual meanings, op op wont get it
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Sep 4, 2015 01:49
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Hello, OP, I too disregard the other 30-odd definitions of the word natural that appear in Webster's Dictionary. Seriously, gently caress Webster, words only mean one thing.
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Sep 4, 2015 01:56
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i like natural raspberry ketone
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Sep 4, 2015 02:04
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nature abhors a vacuum ergo vacuums are unnatural. and you sure do suck
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Sep 4, 2015 02:06
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Beef Turret posted:There are many reasons why the distinction between artificial and natural is useful. Take attribution. Technological innovations are good in some ways and bad in others, and while the good is obvious and direct, the bad is often indirect and not obvious, e.g. many diseases like poliovirus became as virulent as they did because of the rise of the civilization of Egypt, as a consequence of overcrowding. AIDS originated in Leopoldville, an over-crammed slave state. Few viruses could spread or evolve among sparse populations of hunter-gatherer bands. If the ancients had known this in time many modern diseases would never have existed. So in addressing the underlying causes of the discomforts of modern life, drawing these distinctions is vital. 
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Sep 4, 2015 12:25
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Sep 4, 2015 12:32
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human consciousness has evolved in a way that allows us to understand we will one day die this is unnatural and something no other animal has to endure i mean i'm cool with it, but i hear other people have problems
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Sep 4, 2015 13:21
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I'm pretty sure other animals are aware that they will die, certainly other apes are.
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op's mom enjoys natural truth bombs on her face
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