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Flocons de Jambon posted:Don't start wars if you don't like massacres Lay out your timeline of events leading up to this. I want to know what order you think events transpired to lead you to this view. Spoke Lee fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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I'm not a specimen for your examination. You'll just have to live your life knowing someone doesn't share your world view. I'm content to point out that if you think Assad has any plans for the "extermination" of Sunni Syria, you're bonkers. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 1, 2015 07:03
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Flocons de Jambon posted:I'm content to point out that if you think Assad has any plans for the extermination of Sunni Syria, you're bonkers. Wait, yet again, is this a post from 2010?
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Nov 1, 2015 07:05
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Like, if they surrender tomorrow, he'd probably only kill the leadership. He probably wouldn't exterminate the population.
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Nov 1, 2015 07:06
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Bip Roberts posted:Wait, yet again, is this a post from 2010? It's almost as if I don't see the Syrian War as something Assad up and chose to do like you or I would choose to visit Dairy Queen.
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Nov 1, 2015 07:07
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Flocons de Jambon posted:I'm not a specimen for your examination. You'll just have to live your life knowing someone doesn't share your world view. Sorry I assumed you knew why you felt the way you do. Crazy of me to expect someone to debate and discuss in debate and discussion.
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Nov 1, 2015 07:11
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Flocons de Jambon posted:It's almost as if I don't see the Syrian War as something Assad up and chose to do like you or I would choose to visit Dairy Queen. In this case is the blizzard the murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians and the extra crushed Oreo the displacement of a third of the total population?
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Nov 1, 2015 07:12
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Flocons de Jambon posted:Don't start wars if you don't like massacres Boy I sure hope you apply this view evenly to everything.
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Nov 1, 2015 07:17
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Flocons de Jambon posted:Like, if they surrender tomorrow, he'd probably only kill the leadership. He probably wouldn't exterminate the population. Surely you'll excuse the Syrian population for not taking your word on it. Even so, Assad has that same option - surrender, get executed, assume your people won't be victimized and the war will be over.
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Nov 1, 2015 07:47
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We're supposed to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy who's responsible for 85% of the civilian casualties, who has bombed & shelled his own cities to rubble, and dumped nerve gas on the suburbs of his own capitol city. Yeah dude like I'm totally sure that Assad will be gateful for their surrender and he totally won't have every Sunni male between the age of 15 and 75 in every town that supported the rebels shot and kicked into a ditch. Sergg fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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Nov 1, 2015 09:22
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Flocons de Jambon posted:Police and security personnel were attacked from the outset. They were never peaceful protests for government reform. I still can't believe people as dumb as this exist. " what?! Security personnel of a fascist police state got hurt? Well, kill all the civilians!" Unbelievable stupidity.
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Nov 1, 2015 09:37
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It is posible to both say that arming insurgents leads to chaos, anarchy and destruction, and that Assad is a mass murderer and war criminal at the same time. Putin is absolutely right in his assertion that the Western interventions in Iraq, Libya and Syria have been absolute failures. But unfortunately he doesn't offer an acceptable solution either (helping Assad destroy the Rebels clearly isn't one). In Ukraine Putin is arming the 'rebels/insurgents' himself, but here he is not doing it to overthrow a regime and bring stability/prosperity (like the west in Iraq/Libya/Syria), but precisely to create anarchy and throw the country into chaos. So it does kinda seem that he at least understand the implications of such actions a bit better than some western powers.
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Nov 1, 2015 09:54
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The FSA is not a "Democratic moderate group" It has a few elements of that in it but by and large it is composed of the same kind of opposition as the Al-Nusra front or Army of Conquest. These groups are not after a democracy folks.
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Nov 1, 2015 10:23
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Lol if you people think the TOWs and armaments being gleefully shoveled into Syria by the Saudis (with implicit US backing) isn't going to end up with ISIS eventually. And as if ISIS\Al Nusra isn't operating with Gulf Arab, Saudi and Turkish support, which the US is conspicuously silent about. We've seen this dance before in Afghanistan, it always ends the same way, why even act surprised or indignant when someone points it out. Putin made a great point in that interview about all the people the US spent hundreds of millions arming and training in the intervening years most likely switched sides and are fighting for Al Nusra or ISIS - which is why officially they can only account for a handful of moderate fighters trained. Bashar al Assad is a brutal dictator, and will have to go sooner and later - it's a poo poo sandwich with no binary good guys bad guys divide. Even the plucky Kurds who everyone loves have been accused of ethnic cleansing areas under their control. Yes, I understand not all sides are equally bad and there different degrees of wrongdoing, but goddamn if you can't count on goons to pick a side in a horse race (FSA this time around) and stick with them no matter what.
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Nov 1, 2015 12:25
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Confusion posted:Putin is absolutely right in his assertion that the Western interventions in Iraq, Libya and Syria have been absolute failures. But unfortunately he doesn't offer an acceptable solution either (helping Assad destroy the Rebels clearly isn't one). I find that solution acceptable.
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Nov 1, 2015 14:32
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Keep in mind you guys are arguing with someone who said this:Flocons de Jambon posted:Syria. A nation of bad asses taking on America, Isreal, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Hail the Lion Assad.
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Nov 1, 2015 15:33
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:The FSA is not a "Democratic moderate group" The two groups are openly hostile to each other and Islamist groups have been pretty focused on siphoning people off through whatever means available for years now. The only reason non-islamist groups still exist is that a lot of people in them have incompatible views they're willing to risk conflict over. Flocons de Jambon posted:I find that solution acceptable. Problem: The "rebels" are most Syrians. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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Nov 1, 2015 15:56
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Confusion posted:In Ukraine Putin is arming the 'rebels/insurgents' himself, but here he is not doing it to overthrow a regime and bring stability/prosperity (like the west in Iraq/Libya/Syria), but precisely to create anarchy and throw the country into chaos. So it does kinda seem that he at least understand the implications of such actions a bit better than some western powers. Putin isn't arming "separatists", he sending them over the border.
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Nov 1, 2015 17:11
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crabcakes66 posted:Keep in mind you guys are arguing with someone who said this: Isn't the best situation for the average Syrian being that Assad, and his faction (no matter the extent frankly) are to be allowed to be destroyed, and ISIS should be actively destroyed? I say stymie Russian efforts in any way possible.
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Nov 1, 2015 17:16
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Back Hack posted:Putin isn't arming "separatists", he sending them over the border. Sending Russian troops over the border, just to be absolutely clear. Along with the mercenaries/volunteers/hard right militia nutjobs/whatever you want to call the irregulars.
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Nov 1, 2015 17:51
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Warbadger posted:Sending Russian troops over the border, just to be absolutely clear. Along with the mercenaries/volunteers/hard right militia nutjobs/whatever you want to call the irregulars. He's also funding extremism in Europe so that more nazi type political parties, with a very clear Russian bent in their foreign policy, rise to power.
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