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Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.
Not soon? gently caress

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Mr. Dick
Aug 9, 2019

by Cyrano4747

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

I think Thorsby has steadily been getting better. Hitmen is about level with Space Spy for me, with Brain Chip being a bit below them, but I think that's less because of a lack of skill and more because he tackled a really, really high-concept setting and didn't quite stick the landing in parts. But the quality of his art has been improving over time, and the sophistication (not the same thing as complexity!) of his plots and characterization has improved too. I'm really excited to see what he does next.

Brain chip lacked a bestiary.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
imo the definitive Thorsby comic ranking is:

1. Trixie - hits Thorsby's best notes with character interaction, farce, absurd bestiaries and evolutionary stuff, and a nice dose of socialism for good measure, also includes some of Thorsby's all-time best characters like Audrey and Zoozo Zlen
2. Hitmen - the OG that started it all, epic scope and plotting, some great twists and wacky evolution stuff, but hindered by some clunky writing and art--you can clearly see the potential that will be realized in future comics, but he doesn't always stick the landing
3. Brain Chip - extremely high-concept idea with some very Thorsby-esque twists and turns, but has some downsides that drag it down a bit like Ulf is not actually a very compelling character for much of the comic and there's no wacky evolutionary stuff
4. Lies, Sisters, and Wives - a short and sweet farce that's Thorsby at his best but without the longer and more complex sci-fi/fantasy trappings there aren't as many opportunities for wackiness and you aren't as invested in the characters the way you are when a farce breaks out in a long-running series
5. Space Spy - it's just not as good unfortunately. Still some great highlights but they aren't as common and the overall story and characters aren't as compelling. The only one I've never bothered to reread.
6. Whatever that strange evolution of homosexuality comic was

Mr. Steak
May 9, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

quote:

Is there a new comic planned?

I have ideas for more comics, but I'm not entirely sure if I'll make more. Probably, but not soon.

i am upset!

Zinkraptor
Apr 24, 2012

vyelkin posted:

imo the definitive Thorsby comic ranking is:

Someone else did it so now I have to make one too

For me:

1) Trixie: All around great with very few low points. Great characters, great story, good mix of standalone episodic adventures and more important greater plot stuff stuff surrounding it. Also it has noted best character Zoozo Zlen, who in retrospect doesn’t seem like the kind of person to just club someone to death in the street for stealing a purse but Thorsby apparently doesn’t plan in detail so I guess I’ll let it slide. It’s also straightforward with a relatively simple premise and gets going pretty quick, making it an excellent place for people unfamiliar to Thorsby to start.

2) Hitmen: to be honest, my gut was to place this higher because of all the great moments I remember, but it’s been years. I think if I were to reread the whole thing I would probably find I’d forgotten some parts I didn’t like or find that the good parts weren’t quite as good as I remember. This, it receives the silver medal.

3). Lies, Sisters and Wives: a great farce that does what it needs to and doesn’t overstay it’s welcome. It’s what Thorsby is good at, so having a short comic just entirely about that kind of nonsense works well. I feel like it could be very easily adapted to a short play or film.

4). Accidental Space Spy: Space Spy just kind of feels... eh. It’s got some great individual arcs, but the overall plot tying them together is pretty weak and it has a lot of points I really didn’t enjoy.

5) Transdimensional Brain Chip: I don’t really like the characters and the premise lost me after it started going into the religion-virus direction. It seems like it appealed to people who aren’t me a bit more, but why would I ever care about the opinion of someone who isn’t me?

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
I often recommend Lies, Sisters, and Wives as an introduction to Thorsby simply because it's short and well-shows his mastery of farcial elements.

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




Space Spy is my #1. My favourite part of any Thorsby comic is when he starts a setting from a simple premise and then really delves deep into how that effects everything around it, I wish more sci fi authors would take a page from this book.

Trixie is a very close second, I just wish he'd revealed a little more about the setting. I know he has the whole history of that world written out somewhere.

Hitmen is third for me, I'll always have respect for the original, but I reread it earlier this year and that art is rough. If I had crazy money I'd commission a One Punch Man style remake, just to share it with more people.

Transdimensional Brain Chip was the first Thorsby comic I read entirely as it came out, the pacing will probably work better on a reread

Lies, Sisters and Wives was hard for me to read, I get real bad secondhand embarrassment even from fictional characters. I love Ben Stiller as an actor, I cannot watch a single movie he did in the nineties

break-up breakdown
Mar 6, 2010

i think trixie might have been my least favourite thorsby? Its characters feel less fleshed out than those in his other comics and are basically the same people that we met in strip 1. They've completed whatever vague goals they had, and haven't had to give up much in the process. woo.

this is the only one i've had to wait between updates though and I'm definitely forgetting some stuff and would probably get a lot more out of it on a reread.

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


break-up breakdown posted:

i think trixie might have been my least favourite thorsby? Its characters feel less fleshed out than those in his other comics and are basically the same people that we met in strip 1. They've completed whatever vague goals they had, and haven't had to give up much in the process. woo.

this is the only one i've had to wait between updates though and I'm definitely forgetting some stuff and would probably get a lot more out of it on a reread.

Every single Thorsby comic is better on a re-read. Be prepared to suddenly realise it’s actually quite short! It’s amazing how compact the stories are when six panels of, say, someone running away, is clicked through in three seconds rather than taking a week to pass.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.
Want more Thorsby, including guest strips for other webcomics and actual playable games? See my Metafilter post. That's right, he's made three entire games.

Want another gorgeously overthought comic? Look no further than the Thai webcomic Isekai Transporter. In anime and manga, isekai is an entire wish-fulfillment genre in which ordinary people find themselves stranded in other worlds. The classic isekai stereotype is the protagonist being reincarnated in another world after getting hit by a truck. What must it be like for those poor truck drivers? Or... do they know? And if so, how? Who are they working for? Why are their employers doing this? And what does it all entail, when you really think about it to Thorsbyan levels?

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

BiggerJ posted:

Want more Thorsby, including guest strips for other webcomics and actual playable games? See my Metafilter post. That's right, he's made three entire games.

Oh lord, they're text adventures? The only way this could be better is if they were point & click ones in his artstyle. Can't wait to check them out.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

davidspackage posted:

Oh lord, they're text adventures? The only way this could be better is if they were point & click ones in his artstyle. Can't wait to check them out.

Two of them are. The third is a graphical HTML-based adventure that quietly parodies the Choose-Your-Own-Adventure(TM) variable-less choice-based adventure game format.

The text adventures have unique quirks (even beyond Thorsby being Thorsby). In Adventurer's Consumer Guide (and maybe the other, which I haven't played yet), you never have to examine anything. Everything you need to know, you can learn with the 'look' and 'inventory' commands, and by actually interacting with stuff (including reading a book that is included in its entirety, page for page). Attack of the Yeti Robot Zombies has its own unique gimmick - you can die, but the game is entirely fair, so Thorsby requests that if you die in the game, you should never play it again, ever.

BiggerJ fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Jan 1, 2020

Snake Maze
Jul 13, 2016

3.85 Billion years ago
  • Having seen the explosion on the moon, the Devil comes to Venus
Yeti Robot Zombies was forgettable (literally, in that I beat it years ago but cannot remember anything about it) but Adventurer’s Consumer Guide is great.

It’s a text adventure about needing to test out some new adventuring tools for the magazine you write for, all of which technically work as advertised. Things play out about how you’d expect given Thorsby is the writer. It has a great sense of humor and the puzzles are very fair and well made. Definitely give it a look if you like Thorsby’s work.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Snake Maze posted:

It’s a text adventure about needing to test out some new adventuring tools for the magazine you write for, all of which technically work as advertised.

In other words, extremely harmful cursed items that people are trying to sell off through impressive spindoctoring.

BiggerJ
May 21, 2007

What shall we do with him? A permaban, perhaps? Probate him for a few years? Or...shall we employ a big red custom title? You, the goons of SA, shall decide his fate.

Cat Mattress posted:

In other words, extremely harmful cursed items that people are trying to sell off through impressive spindoctoring.

From what I recall, at least one of the items could plausibly be exactly that.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Thorsby was right. We've got that coronavirus running around and no universal healthcare to keep it in check.

Classon Ave. Robot
Oct 7, 2019

by Athanatos

super sweet best pal posted:

Thorsby was right. We've got that coronavirus running around and no universal healthcare to keep it in check.

Malachite fever is what I think of when I see one of those articles about how like 90% of Americans go to work sick and like half never go to the doctor because they can't afford it, with literally no mention of how none of these people have any choice in the matter.

Otherkinsey Scale
Jul 17, 2012

Just a little bit of sunshine!
Shouldn't have let one of Putin's goons get the Scepter of Death.

e-dt
Sep 16, 2019

Just found out about Thorsby from rereading the fantastic Unwinder's Tall Comics (it's down, I had to do it through the internet archive) today and caring enough to follow up on his guest game. I binged all of his work in 6ish hours straight. Very very good. I can't wait to follow the next (probably) strip in real time, although I will definitely forget every single story detail.

Mr. Steak
May 9, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

e-dt posted:

Just found out about Thorsby from rereading the fantastic Unwinder's Tall Comics (it's down, I had to do it through the internet archive) today and caring enough to follow up on his guest game. I binged all of his work in 6ish hours straight. Very very good. I can't wait to follow the next (probably) strip in real time, although I will definitely forget every single story detail.

you read ALL of his comics in just 6 hours??? holy crap you're fast

e-dt
Sep 16, 2019

Mr. Steak posted:

you read ALL of his comics in just 6 hours??? holy crap you're fast

it was probably more, lol, I just lost track of time (stayed up til 2am)

Mr. Steak
May 9, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
was 2020 the first full year in thorsby's online career where he hasn't posted anything at all?

please thorsby, bless 2021 with a new comic

HebrewMagic
Jul 19, 2012

Police Assault In Progress
Now more than ever we need new Thorsby

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

HebrewMagic posted:

Now more than ever we need new Thorsby

Tendales
Mar 9, 2012
It's no new comic, but apparently Thorsby's been trying his hand at creating puzzles. Here's a chipper British dude solving one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miLUbvoWwyM

Libra
Jan 5, 2011

Makes a surprising amount of sense, I feel like Thorsby approaches storytelling with a puzzle maker's mindset.

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007

That puzzle is really fun to solve, BTW. Kudos to Thorsby!

AngusPodgorny
Jun 3, 2004

Please to be restful, it is only a puffin that has from the puffin place outbroken.
Weird to see my favorite comic and favorite youtube channel intersecting. It was an excellent star battle puzzle too.

Dinosaurs!
May 22, 2003

That was a really fun video. I hope Thorsby’s been doing ok. Diving into his crazy mind this past year would have been a nice reprieve. Hopefully he starts back up soon.

HBar
Sep 13, 2007

No new comics, but Thorsby has a Tumblr now: https://thorsbyprojects.tumblr.com/

He posted his puzzles at https://logic-masters.de/Raetselportal/Benutzer/eingestellt.php?name=Thorsby, in addition to the star battle puzzle there are some tricky sudoku variations with extra rules. For example:






Then there are TV and movie quizzes, where he generated a ganbreeder-style AI image from the title of each:




And he's answering fan questions, so this is your chance if there's anything you want to ask:

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

HBar posted:

No new comics, but Thorsby has a Tumblr now: https://thorsbyprojects.tumblr.com/

He posted his puzzles at https://logic-masters.de/Raetselportal/Benutzer/eingestellt.php?name=Thorsby, in addition to the star battle puzzle there are some tricky sudoku variations with extra rules. For example:



is this timecube

Otherkinsey Scale
Jul 17, 2012

Just a little bit of sunshine!
The master discusses his technique:

thorsby explaining how they writes their farces posted:

The protagonist tells a lie. This leads to more lies and misunderstandings. This leads to more lies and misunderstandings.

This leads to more lies and misunderstandings.

One thing you can do is to have the protagonist tell different, contradictory lies to different people. Then those people end up in the same room, and the protagonist has to struggle to say stuff that makes sense to all the people.

Having the farce take place within a short period of time, makes it funnier. The protagonist can’t catch a break.

Not sure, but I think having the farce take place in one location, like one room, makes it funnier. It emphasizes that it takes place in a short period of time.

A farce should get funnier and funnier as it goes along. The problems should get worse, the situation more hopeless. This makes writing an ending difficult. If the protagonist have lots of problems and then solves all of them, one by one, then the farce looses momentum, and gets less funny. You can have an unhappy ending, where all the secrets gets exposed, but unhappy endings aren’t always that funny. You can try to come up with one solution that fixes all the problems at once. Blackmail is common. Lots of P. G. Wodehouse books are resolved by some sort of blackmail or extortion. Or you can have the secret gets exposed, but then the protagonist gets a happy ending for some other reason.

In a comedy it’s okay to have the protagonist win by luck, if it’s funny. But the protagonist shouldn’t just do nothing and get lucky. If you’re doing it the protagonist should struggle, then fail, maybe because of bad luck, then win by good luck.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻




I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by the fact that Thorsby has read Wodehouse, in retrospect the increasing farce-comedy thing he specializes in is quite reminiscent of his works.

Paladin
Nov 26, 2004
You lost today, kid. But that doesn't mean you have to like it.


Thorsby is running an RPG on twitter.

Otherkinsey Scale
Jul 17, 2012

Just a little bit of sunshine!

Losing my mind at how the mechanics are divided into:

-lying, which has an 80% chance that they believe you, and also something happens that makes the lie difficult to maintain
-literally any other action...which automatically fails if you could be lying to someone instead

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Otherkinsey Scale posted:

Losing my mind at how the mechanics are divided into:

-lying, which has an 80% chance that they believe you, and also something happens that makes the lie difficult to maintain
-literally any other action...which automatically fails if you could be lying to someone instead

After reading Thorsby's work... Well, that does fit his modus operandi.

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Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Everyone is Jymre

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