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Dec 27, 2015 00:45
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extra stout posted:imagine that exact scenario but with a different fake god, fake heaven, and no pyramid to be proud of and you have modern america
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Dec 27, 2015 00:49
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this is a goddamned outrage somebody needs to be the voice of these people  i'm calling tumblr. dial up some warriors then wee'll see what's up bitch
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Dec 27, 2015 00:50
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extra stout posted:imagine that exact scenario but with a different fake god, fake heaven, and no pyramid to be proud of and you have modern america
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Dec 27, 2015 00:52
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also since the importance of Egyptian deities was mostly based on how much the ruling family fancied them\comparative power of the region that most favorited a deity you had shitloads of sagas about gods gaining and losing powers and doing fusions and poo poo. Imagine if Dragonball Z lasted for three thousand years and everyone dressed like the new york dolls. That's ancient egypt.
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Dec 27, 2015 00:52
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ANIME IS BLOOD posted:and on a purely material level they built the civilization that built the pyramids and that poo poo isn't going anywhere so they're more immortal than you, whose legacy will be a handful of bytes which will rapidly erode to nothingness um, excuse me, i have almost 10k posts on the something awful forums. how many scrub rear end pharohs can say THAT?
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Dec 27, 2015 00:53
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Mans posted:Imagine if Dragonball Z lasted for three thousand years feels like it 
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extra stout posted:imagine that exact scenario but with a different fake god, fake heaven, and no pyramid to be proud of and you have modern america
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Mans posted:Imagine if Dragonball Z lasted for three thousand years and everyone dressed like the new york dolls. That's ancient egypt. and apparently chinese people get super mad if you claim that egypt is older
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Dec 27, 2015 01:32
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That Robot posted:I'm interested in hearing more about this The first mention of the Israelites in any written source is in the Merneptah Stele which lists the wonderful deeds of the eponymous king. He lists off all the people whose asses he kicked like any good king. There's one name that comes up and that's Israel, and this is in 1300BCE. This means that Israel first existed as early as 1300BCE which is cool and all for deciding on a date but it's also important because this is supposed to be only about 50 years after the Exodus occured. What's more telling is that Merneptah simply doesn't give a gently caress about these guys. They are included in a long list of other people, who he happened to have incidentally fought. Israel is barely worth mentioning. If the story had been true, Merneptah would not have mentioned them in passing. He probably would have really hammered home how he beat up those lousy former slaves of theirs. Instead they're just some guys out there in the Levant. Moreover there is no mention of anything in the Egyptian sources of a massive slave revolt or mentions of any Israelites at all. Literally there are no contemporary sources for the Exodus. The only source is the Bible which can be very inaccurate with the historical record.
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Dec 27, 2015 01:49
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gently caress Egypt, modern man ruined carbon dating with nukes the future is NOW
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Dec 27, 2015 02:26
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Mans posted:also since the importance of Egyptian deities was mostly based on how much the ruling family fancied them\comparative power of the region that most favorited a deity you had shitloads of sagas about gods gaining and losing powers and doing fusions and poo poo. what new york dolls are you talking about Testikles posted:The first mention of the Israelites in any written source is in the Merneptah Stele which lists the wonderful deeds of the eponymous king. He lists off all the people whose asses he kicked like any good king. There's one name that comes up and that's Israel, and this is in 1300BCE. This means that Israel first existed as early as 1300BCE which is cool and all for deciding on a date but it's also important because this is supposed to be only about 50 years after the Exodus occured. What's more telling is that Merneptah simply doesn't give a gently caress about these guys. They are included in a long list of other people, who he happened to have incidentally fought. Israel is barely worth mentioning. If the story had been true, Merneptah would not have mentioned them in passing. He probably would have really hammered home how he beat up those lousy former slaves of theirs. Instead they're just some guys out there in the Levant. Moreover there is no mention of anything in the Egyptian sources of a massive slave revolt or mentions of any Israelites at all. Literally there are no contemporary sources for the Exodus. The only source is the Bible which can be very inaccurate with the historical record. thank you for the well-written answer. weren't they called the habiru or something along those lines?
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That Robot posted:yeah and there was a god named nut lol
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Dec 27, 2015 03:29
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gary oldmans diary posted:north american and south american mummies ok yeah but the egyptians were buried with hash and weed so it evens out
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Dec 27, 2015 04:09
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That Robot posted:what new york dolls are you talking about Line 27 identifies the state as I.si.ri.ar which is interpreted as Israel because of the phonetic similarity and where it's placed according to the Egyptians. Another interesting thing is that it mentions Israel but it doesn't mention Samaria or Judea which are the later Israelite kingdoms. The Bible says Israel split up due to a civil war but it's hard to find direct attestation to a unified kingdom. This lends credence that it wasn't the development of two separate kingdoms but one entity that split possibly as the Bible described. Not sure, I don't think they were. I think the habiru was a word for a group of nomadic bandits/invaders/outlaws in the fertile crescent area. There could be a connection but it's kind of hard to identify a nomadic people wandering about. One of the attractive features about the hypothesis is that it would explain the whole exodus connection. The thing that stumps historians about the Exodus story is that it doesn't fit in with how origin stories go. Normally they're about lionizing your history. Having your people be enslaved and then escape bondage is not the usual MO of ancient peoples. Usually peoples have a bigger superiority complex than that. This leads us to believe that there must be at least something true about the Exodus story, because nobody would intentionally pick an origin story that includes a real shaming incident unless it happened. The Aztecs have a similar theme where they had an alliance with a neighbouring kingdom, botched it, and then were exiled to the swamps where Tenochtitlan (Mexico City) was founded. This probably happened too and the swamps were a marginal area where they ended up thriving. So if the Habiru are a bunch of dispossessed nomads, bandits or other random peoples wandering into the area, it makes a lot of sense that this gets included into their origin story. After a very long game of broken telephone and some editing on the part of oral historians and Biblical writers, It probably got morphed into the Exodus story of today.
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Dec 27, 2015 04:28
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wiffle ball bat posted:yeah but the egyptians were buried with hash and weed so it evens out sort of cool that weed is native to central asia while cocaine is a new world drug
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Dec 27, 2015 04:33
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etalian posted:sort of cool that weed is native to central asia while cocaine is a new world drug what cool drug does oceania get?
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Dec 27, 2015 04:35
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Death to the butcher el-sisi
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That Robot posted:what cool drug does oceania get? also weed everybody gets weed actually
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the colombian exchange can kiss my grits (another new world food). shove that maize up your rear end hombre
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