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Sorry, I've been a long time lurker, never actually posted here before. I've been active in the online Roleplaying community before because, yeah, I like Dungeons and Dragons and all that kind of stuff. But there's been... a huge problem going on, and it just keeps getting weirder and weirder and more annoying. Y'see, I'm black. I like playing black characters in things. It's not a problem, right? Asian people get to play asian characters and white people get to play white characters if they want, but its apparently a big problem if I want to play someone with a skin color the same as my own. And then, on this one really hosed up webforum, https://www.stararmy.com , this happened. quote:[21:06] Kirkatan: I admit, I'm kinda selfish in what i'm doing in fleshing out Menelik's ethnocultural group. Because I'm always looking at scifi and it's always white as gently caress, so I figured "hey I could flesh out the site's fluff and setting more, do this thing that I like, -and- flesh out Menelik more" So that's a thing, right? As we all know, African cultures were always backwards savages, and to bring up things like Mali or Songhai or africa is to be a dumb idiot who goes "lol We wuz Kings n poo poo", because to show any interest or pride in the history of africa as an african american is to be a subhuman idiot. And then, today, this happened. quote:01[19:28] <Kirkatan> What gets me is how people respond to Black Lives matter with "All Lives Matter" And this is the kind of behavior i've come to expect from people, really. I'm black, so that automatically means that I'm a subhuman and anything bad that happens to someone like me has to be our fault. But I can't loving stand this poo poo anymore. I can't take it! What the gently caress did black people do to deserve this kind of treatment?
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Feb 13, 2016 01:58
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You probably wanna post this in TG.
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Feb 13, 2016 02:03
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Expect hordes of (totally not racist) white dudes yelling C U C K/ALL LIVES MATTER/dindu at you non stop. It's a complete cesspit, my advice would be to not engage with that webforum and find a new hobby. You can't reason with willful ignorance.
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Feb 13, 2016 02:08
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Play games with goons. Tabletop people here are much more likely to appreciate all of the poo poo that the insular turbonerd communities respond to with hostility. You probably want to post this in the Good, Bad, Cat-Piss stories thread in Traditional Games though.
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Feb 13, 2016 02:28
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its reactionaries all the way down
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Feb 13, 2016 02:36
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I didn't read all that and it wouldn't matter if I did, since I don't play those sorts of games and wouldn't really get much of it. But sorry to hear that you can't just have some fun without assholes trying to gently caress poo poo up for you  .
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Feb 13, 2016 02:46
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Three things here, as someone who doesn't play that game but does play in the same vague hobby (I recognized the website you pointed to): 1. Talking politics rarely ends well in such situations. I would go so far as to say "Don't do that". 2. I think the general point someone made re "show it through RP, don't put it on the wiki where nobody reads it" isn't a bad point; At best, a game's wiki should retrospectively record canon seen in play, not try to prescribe it going forward; the sole exception is if you are the no-poo poo GM and describing the game's canon. However, there's also point 3: 3. Get away from there. You made some mistakes, but they also sound like very racist assholes there. If you had PMs, I'd PM and invite you to my game.
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Feb 13, 2016 03:17
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Nerds are overwhelmingly white, sheltered, male and cliquish with results in them not being aware of how racist/sexist/etc... they are because they don't interact with people outside their weird subcultures. I've run into the same problem before myself and just accept the fact that you are going to have a hard time finding people into the same hobbies who are not sacks of human poo poo. Also there is a whole thread in TG for this kind of stuff.
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Feb 13, 2016 03:41
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Follow up: get in the Games Room pronto. It rocks if your not a stupid burnout flake who can't keep up with his games like me.
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Feb 13, 2016 03:47
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List of communities IRL or on the internet that are free of sexism and racism:
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Feb 13, 2016 04:22
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i'm not going to read long chatlogs but from what i skimmed over it appears to be a tabletop game nerd being weird about african history as not advanced or something? the nerd being not the op, tho it is certain the op is also a nerd. i would like to see a dungeons and dragons type game sourced from general african mythology that would be cool as hell, maybe this already exists?
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Feb 13, 2016 04:26
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Dominions 4 has a couple of african nations  Spider calvary 
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Feb 13, 2016 04:35
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Yeah nerds/"gamers" are often incredibly racist and sexist, (not to mention homophobic). Just look at how poo poo like XBox Live turned out. A good test case is to see if they associate themselves at all with "gamergate". If they do, stay the gently caress away, they are unquestionably garbage people.
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Feb 13, 2016 04:52
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i would like to see a dungeons and dragons type game sourced from general african mythology that would be cool as hell, maybe this already exists? Spears of the Dawn is arguably the closest; it's a fantasy setting/OSR game but tries to be rooted in cultures from Western Africa. But it doesn't work 100% because it loops back into the decidedly Euro-centric underpinnings of DnD and then focuses on African flair, fitting witch doctors and an oral tradition on top of the usual classes (wizard and bard, respectively). It's actually a decent debate as to how deep the African elements reach (is it just a veneer, or did Crawford succeed at baking African into the game's roots?), made harder by the fact that as an OSR product it's made to be light in concrete details to let things evolve at the table and it's in those details that things could have really come alive. Personally, I think that it almost hits the mark it was intended to, and that even having the attempt made is something worth a nod of approval towards. Putting aside whether it made a DnD game that ignores the European roots to evoke Africa, it's a good game with a lot of solid mechanical ideas and some really fun flavor ideas.
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Feb 13, 2016 05:03
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That's catpiss. That's hard loving catpiss. Cross-post it there, this tops charts.
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Feb 13, 2016 05:11
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Fivemarks, you should really dip out of that community. It's never, ever worth sticking it out in that kind of atmosphere. I know we invest a lot in our characters over long running campaigns but the truth is there's always another group and another game out there, IRL or online, that is willing to not be assholes and you owe it to yourself to not waste your precious time dealing with people like that. Also, to the posters basically saying, "What do you expect from D&D nerds?", that kind of attitude is rancid and wrong and absolutely enables shitlords like those guys to feel like they can get away acting like that because that's the expectation. You need to change that expectation. Tabletop gaming as a hobby is more popular than ever and more inclusive than ever. There are great groups out there all over the place that are welcoming so never tolerate asshats, they need to get over their poo poo or need to see that no one wants to play with them any more.
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Feb 13, 2016 13:07
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Yeah Fivemarks that's a nasty loving community you don't have to spend time with those gross bastards. Just wash your hands of them. There's more trad gaming than any one person can participate in right here on SA in the forum so named, to say nothing of places like roll20.
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Feb 13, 2016 13:44
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when i was in high school my friend used to send me her rp logs and demand i read them, as she went through puberty and her mind twisted slowly under the influence of the internet they got more and more sexual and then the sexuality got weirder and more depraved until finally her self-insert character was being raped by a two-penised lizard with a split personality and loving every drat second of it!!!!! still she insisted i read the logs and this continued until i ghosted on the friendship and never spoke to her again
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Feb 13, 2016 13:52
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Avshalom posted:when i was in high school my friend used to send me her rp logs and demand i read them, as she went through puberty and her mind twisted slowly under the influence of the internet they got more and more sexual and then the sexuality got weirder and more depraved until finally her self-insert character was being raped by a two-penised lizard with a split personality and loving every drat second of it!!!!! still she insisted i read the logs and this continued until i ghosted on the friendship and never spoke to her again Sounds to me like she was probably hitting on you. Are you in fact a two-penised lizard with a split personality? That might be a hint as to what she was really getting at. Edit: Also, to be serious, those people are dicks. And ignorant dicks at that. Find someone better to play with. If they're that sensitive over something in a game they'll probably self-destruct over some inane minutiae months from now anyways. If it's any comfort people like the ones in those logs tend to marginalize themselves until they can't get along with anyone except others like themselves. Which leads to them cloistering up in increasingly tiny little crazy communities. Hell, the Gamergate types are a popular example of what happens when you get so damned goony that even other nerds kind of squirm in discomfort around you. Just cut your losses and find someone more tolerable. Archonex fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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Feb 13, 2016 14:07
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I am sympathetic to suffering due to the casual racism and bigotry of the 'gamer' or traditional gaming community, but I'm kind of confused... What are we debating here exactly?  Everyone's already in agreement here, it almost feels misplaced having the thread here instead of somewhere like Traditional Games, Ask/Tell, PYF, or E/N.
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Feb 13, 2016 20:18
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Fivemarks posted:... Nothing at all, that's what makes it so terrible.
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Feb 13, 2016 20:28
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Societies rarely have the strength to forgive their victims for being victims. Man is the cruelest animal.
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Feb 13, 2016 20:56
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I'm white and my Fallout 4 character is black, can I get a hell yeah
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Feb 13, 2016 21:03
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OP, there's nothing you can do but try and find a group that's more accepting. It's lovely and unfair, but there's no much you or anyone else can do as an individual to change things. Good luck finding better friends.Helsing posted:Societies rarely have the strength to forgive their victims for being victims. Man is the cruelest animal.
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rudatron posted:OP, there's nothing you can do but try and find a group that's more accepting. It's lovely and unfair, but there's no much you or anyone else can do as an individual to change things. Good luck finding better friends. That's a much rosier image of people than I think is deserved. I think it's often cruelty hiding behind a facade of ignorant victimhood because cognitive dissonance is scary. That being said, not everyone is an rear end in a top hat. Leave them the gently caress behind, don't engage with them, move on. There are a lot of people who are seriously bugging out about the return of more prevalent black oriented politics after decades of pretending there were no problems. The unspoken position of white supremacy in the United States is being challenged in a way it has not been since the 70s. It had become gauche to speak about it public, but poo poo like this has been being said in white-only groups for a long loving time, and covered up with dogwhistles for even longer. American history has been whitewashed to an insane degree, especially in regards to the civil war, and a lot of the poo poo that most affects blacks goes back to the 50s and 60s and even the 90s, not the 1800s. These people are losing, their lies are being exposed, and they are jokes. Find people that are not assholes swaddling their fragile white masculinity in lies and conspiracies. Find other black nerds, I constantly run into way more than I ever expected, and it's gotten better and better since I was a shithead teenager posting on USENET in the 90s. gently caress these people, you've done nothing wrong, you don't owe them poo poo, and you don't need to and shouldn't put up with that poo poo if you just want to get your nerd on. Keep on blerding, brother.
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SSNeoman posted:That's catpiss. That's hard loving catpiss. Cross-post it there, this tops charts. And this was the response when he posted it: NachtSieger posted:What the gently caress is this and why did you feel the need to post this garbage in here? the_steve posted:Seriously, that's for the Debate and Discussion board, keep it away from our Elf stories.
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Feb 14, 2016 20:28
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Jazerus posted:Play games with goons. Playing games with goons has sort of ruined me on multiplayer gaming. Even watching someone play a game on a public server / xbox live makes me want to gouge my eyes out.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:And this was the response when he posted it: Goons 
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