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The Lord of Hats posted:Maybe if you change your av to a border collie he'll decide that you're his intellectual equal worthy of conversation. now i'm just a simple hillperson but yeah, pretty much. there are things you can do to nurture drives, there are things you can do to dampen them but the drive is still there. what exactly that means varies from dog to dog based on a combination of genetics, training, and environmental influences but ultimately it's the dog's genetics that determine whether or not it will ever be safe around prey animals. 'drive' isn't a scientific term by any means but the dog community tends to use it to refer to instinctual survival impulses (fight, gently caress, hunt) that we've heavily modified in dogs according to their working purposes. Most working dog behavior is a result of emphasizing aspects of the predatory sequence (scan, eye, orient, stalk, chase, grab-bite, kill-bite, dissect) and truncating or eliminating others. this is where talking about "prey drive" gets really ambiguous - border collies, german shepherds, and terriers all tend to be high prey drive breeds but how that manifests varies greatly between breeds. A high prey drive collie will do a lot of orienting, stalking, and chasing but grab-biting and kill-biting a sheep will get a working collie shot. A high prey german shepherd will do a lot of chasing, grab-biting, and occasionally kill-biting but little to no stalking because those behaviors make good protection dogs. High prey terriers and sighthounds will complete the entire predatory sequence they're expected to take down and kill prey/pests. The OP's dog also falls into this last category which is why a number of us were heavily emphasizing the genetic nature of it's behavior. A mix that's bred to chase and take down large prey isn't murdering kangaroos because it was raised or trained poorly, it's doing it because we've genetically programmed it to. A high prey drive collie or lab is (in most cases) going to be easier to train not murder your housecat than a breed who's been selectively bred to execute the entire predatory sequence and loooooove doing it. Ausrotten fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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But on Pitbull Rescue I was told it was the owner, not the dog.
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Jul 28, 2016 04:04
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 there are no bad dogs, only bad owners
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this is 100% true - a dog that wants to kill things is not a bad dog, but in fact a Good Dog and the owner should be censured for not encouraging that dog to follow its dreams in a healthy and productive fashion. OP you are a bad person, let your dog kill at will.
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Ausrotten posted:
Excuse me, as you are clearly just a beer-swilling bearded ruffian in a shower cap with in fact no dog in your avatar I do not know why you feel you are well placed to comment on this topic. You should listen to me on this because I have no avatar and therefore have no earthly body so I am probably your conscience speaking.
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Tamarillo posted:Excuse me, as you are clearly just a beer-swilling bearded ruffian in a shower cap with in fact no dog in your avatar I do not know why you feel you are well placed to comment on this topic. You should listen to me on this because I have no avatar and therefore have no earthly body so I am probably your conscience speaking. I'm just an eyeball. E: WRONG THREAD- apparently I'm a pegasus with hosed up eyeballs. I can deal with that.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:I'm just an eyeball. It's ok your eyes point in different directions so you probably can't even see what you're typing e: with your hooves Tamarillo fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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Jul 28, 2016 14:37
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Real talk, I know two guys who worked with K-9 units who had to put down their personal Rottweilers due to them suddenly becoming uncontrollably aggressive towards everyone. How does that even develop?
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Real talk, I know two guys who worked with K-9 units who had to put down their personal Rottweilers due to them suddenly becoming uncontrollably aggressive towards everyone. trainers or cops?
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SneakyFrog posted:trainers or cops? One was a trainer and I think one was only a cop.
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Tamarillo posted:Excuse me, as you are clearly just a beer-swilling bearded ruffian in a shower cap with in fact no dog in your avatar I do not know why you feel you are well placed to comment on this topic. You should listen to me on this because I have no avatar and therefore have no earthly body so I am probably your conscience speaking. excuse you, its a bonnet Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Real talk, I know two guys who worked with K-9 units who had to put down their personal Rottweilers due to them suddenly becoming uncontrollably aggressive towards everyone. health problems, genetic problems, training problems, trauma. take your pick
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Jul 28, 2016 16:40
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Real talk, I know two guys who worked with K-9 units who had to put down their personal Rottweilers due to them suddenly becoming uncontrollably aggressive towards everyone. dogs can have neurological disorders like anybody else ,as well as what ausrotten said
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Jul 28, 2016 18:05
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:dogs can have neurological disorders like anybody else ,as well as what ausrotten said I'm not sure I can trust a cross eyed Pegasus, to be honest.
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Jul 28, 2016 19:13
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:I'm not sure I can trust a cross eyed Pegasus, to be honest. uh huh... but trusting in some invisible spirit always ends awesomely. 
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Jul 28, 2016 20:44
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I dunno what Patrick Swayze has to do with this but I find your comment distasteful.
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Jul 28, 2016 20:51
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That rebellious dancing must be stopped. 
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Jul 28, 2016 20:58
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:But on Pitbull Rescue I was told it was the owner, not the dog. *eternal existential screaming*
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Jul 28, 2016 21:11
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:I'm not sure I can trust a cross eyed Pegasus, to be honest. I'm a blue humanoid with fluttering butterflies on my hair, you can trust me instead.
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Jul 29, 2016 01:56
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Chido posted:I'm a blue humanoid with fluttering butterflies on my hair, you can trust me instead. Nice try, last time I trusted someone associated with Lepidoptera I ended up falling off a bridge.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Nice try, last time I trusted someone associated with Lepidoptera I ended up falling off a bridge. Not my fault you didn't notice there was a chunck of railing missing when I pu.... leaned against you by accident. 
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