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Flop or not Waterloo is still a great flick. We likely wont get 20k soviets but you dont really need that many dudes nowadays anyway.
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I've been meaning to check this show out sometimes. How does it rate on a scale from Last Samurai to Blue Eye Samurai?
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Apr 26, 2024 23:11
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cant cook creole bream posted:I've been meaning to check this show out sometimes. I haven't seen either of those but I can confidently say it is 400 billion times better than both of them combined. This is not intended as an indictment of either of those pieces of media, Shogun's just really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really loving great!
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Apr 26, 2024 23:20
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cant cook creole bream posted:I've been meaning to check this show out sometimes. I think it's on par with Blue Eye Samurai, but they are very different. Where they overlap though is in the artistic approach to the subject matter, and they are both magnificent in that respect. This show is 95% politics and people talking, as opposed to Blue Eye that was more balanced w/ action.
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Apr 26, 2024 23:39
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Jerusalem posted:I haven't seen either of those but I can confidently say it is 400 billion times better than both of them combined. This is not intended as an indictment of either of those pieces of media, Shogun's just really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really loving great! dunno, the japanese really liked the last samurai - much more than the original shogun. Hell it even has Toranaga's actor in it.
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Apr 26, 2024 23:42
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Saganlives posted:I think it's on par with Blue Eye Samurai, but they are very different. Where they overlap though is in the artistic approach to the subject matter, and they are both magnificent in that respect. This show is 95% politics and people talking, as opposed to Blue Eye that was more balanced w/ action. Blue Eye Samurai is definitely a follow up show to watch for all the people who were miffed at the lack of major action scenes in Shogun.
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Apr 26, 2024 23:48
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nine-gear crow posted:Blue Eye Samurai is definitely a follow up show to watch for all the people who were miffed at the lack of major action scenes in Shogun. Yes, absolutely. 
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Apr 26, 2024 23:51
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Blue Eye Samurai is a fun show with cool setpieces but it isn’t nearly as narratively or thematically coherent as Shogun, and it plays in a lot of weird racial tropes that Shogun eschews. Its fictionalized version of Japan is also much more divorced from reality and is essentially total fantasy.
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Apr 27, 2024 00:31
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cant cook creole bream posted:I've been meaning to check this show out sometimes. rating wise its up there with blue eye samurai, but it's a mostly slow burn character drama amidst big political thriller as a japanese period piece. very good bursts of action but its not an action show. more game of thrones than either thing you said
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Apr 27, 2024 00:33
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Sio posted:Blue Eye Samurai is a fun show with cool setpieces but it isn’t nearly as narratively or thematically coherent as Shogun, and it plays in a lot of weird racial tropes that Shogun eschews. Its fictionalized version of Japan is also much more divorced from reality and is essentially total fantasy. I'd argue the inverse. Blue Eye Samurai is laser-focused on the kind of show it wants to be and the story and themes it wants to convey. Shogun, by contrast is rather labyrinthine if you're not paying complete attention to it at all times. BES is a simple story told extremely well while Shogun is a complex story told extremely well. You're spot on about the other points though. BES uses the broad strokes of the Tokugawa Shogunate and the Sakoku edict as the basis on which to build a world suited to the story it wants to tell rather than Shogun taking liberties with things that actually historically happened.
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Apr 27, 2024 00:50
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the only thing i know about blue eye samurai is that it has a japanese cover of for whom the bell tolls in it and i cant conceive of how that show and shogun could be called similar other than 'in japan'
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Apr 27, 2024 02:08
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you see, there are samurai and there are a couple white people
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:you see, there are samurai and there are a couple white people They're also set within a lifetime's length of one another, historically. So it's two different compare and contrast takes on the same stretch of history, one relatively accurate, the other hilariously not. Also both shows are just really loving good too.
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Apr 27, 2024 03:05
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:rating wise its up there with blue eye samurai, but it's a mostly slow burn character drama amidst big political thriller as a japanese period piece. very good bursts of action but its not an action show. more game of thrones than either thing you said Game of Thrones is the obvious comparison for this show and not totally off-base, but Shogun is definitely less violent or horny than GoT was. The intense dialogue remains though, and is as good as anything GoT did IMO.
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Apr 27, 2024 03:20
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If you can understand Japanese or manage to find something with subs, NHK's Taiga dramas are always good. They did one on Tokugawa just last year I think.
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Seems like the people in the Shogun Thread like the show Shogun. I guess I'll watch the first episode then.
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