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While I can understand people wanting them back together, I don't understand the constant need to gripe about it. It'll happen when it happens, if you can't bear with that then take a few months off from reading the strip. Sometimes you gotta cut a comic loose.
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My only real problem with having the group split up so much is that the dynamic is really lost; each of the characters is really just an RP stereotype, and a lot of the good jokes and fun were them playing off each other. Elan isn't as funny without a good straight man, and Durkon is too bland to really make the sell. That's why people found him entertaining in the group and frustrating on his own - he's just part of a routine that doesn't fly well solo.
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Oct 9, 2008 23:10
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Can't believe nobody's mentioned this yet, but OOTS is at strip 599 right now. We all know Burlew likes doing major things at important numbers. I think it's pretty clear what strip 600 is going to be, and it's not going to be good for V's alignment.
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Oct 9, 2008 23:54
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ZorbaTHut posted:Can't believe nobody's mentioned this yet, but OOTS is at strip 599 right now. We all know Burlew likes doing major things at important numbers. I think it's pretty clear what strip 600 is going to be, and it's not going to be good for V's alignment. Yesss, you might say it won't be good at all... Or rather, it will be evil! Like V's new alignment! Which will also be evil! Sorry.
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Oct 10, 2008 00:24
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The Werle posted:While I can understand people wanting them back together, I don't understand the constant need to gripe about it. It'll happen when it happens, if you can't bear with that then take a few months off from reading the strip. Fair enough I guess, though I like having posts to read in this thread, even if they are complaints. Discussion tends to be slow enough as it is.
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Oct 10, 2008 01:43
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We could discuss the possibility that "Disintegrate. Gust of Wind." to Kubota is V's four words to the right person at the right time for all the wrong reasons. Now seems like the time V's most desperate to get ultimate arcane power from some source (be it the imp or someone else)- and the way it happens would also fit with the format of Haley's prediction (not immediate results). But... V's question was when she would get ultimate power (not just 'could', there's no possibility of him declining the imp and missing out). I don't see her getting ultimate power this early in the overarching plot (we still have lots of gates to do, V can't die yet!). I don't know how it could be 'complete and total' ultimate power if it was only temporary.
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Oct 10, 2008 01:58
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NutShellBill posted:Yesss, you might say it won't be good at all... Or rather, it will be evil! Like V's new alignment! Which will also be evil! I thought of that joke and explicitly decided not to make it. You have brought shame upon this respected Internet forum. 
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Oct 10, 2008 02:07
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Kleedrac posted:
Because "he" is the appropiate English pronoun to use when talking about a person whose gender you don't know.
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Oct 10, 2008 02:14
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ZorbaTHut posted:I thought of that joke and explicitly decided not to make it. You have brought shame upon this respected Internet forum. Requesting permission to perform the three cuts to restore my honour. Edit: It will take 47 strips, and everyone will complain.
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Oct 10, 2008 02:58
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Sefer posted:Because "he" is the appropiate English pronoun to use when talking about a person whose gender you don't know. Let's use "It". It sounds so degradate-y.
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Oct 10, 2008 03:50
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Noonsaliwah posted:We could discuss the possibility that "Disintegrate. Gust of Wind." to Kubota is V's four words to the right person at the right time for all the wrong reasons. Now seems like the time V's most desperate to get ultimate arcane power from some source (be it the imp or someone else)- and the way it happens would also fit with the format of Haley's prediction (not immediate results). But wouldn't V making a pact with the imp be the wrong person at the wrong time for all the right reasons?
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Oct 10, 2008 05:32
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"Ultimate Cosmic Power" could count posthumously. If V gets V's-self killed by the imp or its associates, V'll find Roy all that much quicker too.Sefer posted:Because "he" is the appropiate English pronoun to use when talking about a person whose gender you don't know.
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Oct 10, 2008 06:27
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Neraren posted:But wouldn't V making a pact with the imp be the wrong person at the wrong time for all the right reasons? Yes, but the words were said to Kubato; The right person (to lead to V leaving, but not being persued) at the right time (when the imp was around) for all the wrong reasons (I think that's self explanatory). It's just the first time we've had V say 4 right words for the wrong reasons so far. And I'd like to think this was all planned, and it's not just story-stalling.
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I suppose I'll toss into the fire of this discussion that Ultimate means both 'peak' and 'final'. V's Ultimate arcane power might not be as desirable as he imagined.
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shadysight posted:I suppose I'll toss into the fire of this discussion that Ultimate means both 'peak' and 'final'. V's Ultimate arcane power might not be as desirable as he imagined. That's a very good point. If V allies with the imp, becomes evil and very powerful, and then gets beaten down throughly by the Order, that'd be pretty "ultimate" right there, in a strictly literal sense of the word. That said, hasn't Burlew mentioned that he's not planning on getting rid of any of the main characters, or turning them evil, or something along those lines? That's one reason I'm having a hard time believing this is going to be permanent - it just doesn't seem likely that V's turning into a villain forever. Dead villain included.
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Oct 10, 2008 22:48
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The Werle posted:While I can understand people wanting them back together, I don't understand the constant need to gripe about it. It'll happen when it happens, if you can't bear with that then take a few months off from reading the strip. I tried to hoe this road in the Dresden Codak thread; it only ends in frustration. When people want to hate on a comic, they'll hate on it in the face of all logic.
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Oct 11, 2008 06:09
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Well, new strip is mostly up, and lord he really hates satisfying reader demand.
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Oct 14, 2008 22:08
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I demand that his site stay up better than a baby giraffe in an earthquake.
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For those that can't get to the site: Click here for the full 743x1818 image.
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Custodes posted:Well, new strip is mostly up, and lord he really hates satisfying reader demand. Burlew to readers re: latest strip: t:D
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Oct 15, 2008 01:27
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Up to now, I've not been upset at the slow pace or the side plots. But here's a big gently caress you to the author for not only realizing that the comic is slowing down, but laughing about it. This is seriously a dick move.
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Oct 15, 2008 01:29
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A dick move, but a funny one. It's like he's trolling everyone. I'd think goons would appreciate that.
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terminal mehmet posted:A dick move, but a funny one. It's like he's trolling everyone. I'd think goons would appreciate that. I came here to post the exact same thing. This is a beautiful troll.
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Kleedrac posted:Wow, first of all I should have learned by now that there is a thread for everything on SA. Now then, after skimming the first 130 odd pages I have a few questions; Second, nobody wants the story to end prematurely, we just want the story to get back on track. We have been piddling around in really pointless sideplots for far too long now. Following the conclusion of the azure city arc, the main forces behind the plot were resurrecting Roy and reuniting the cast. Instead Burlew forces us further and further away from each of those goals. It's like following up The Empire Strikes Back with a movie about Luke going to live on Corellia and Leia becoming a prostitute on Bespin. He's intentionally frustrating all of these threads he's left dangling. To make matters worse these side stories haven't even been good or constructive. Nobody's getting any character development except V who is just becoming more demented and amoral. The strip functuons best as an ensemble comedy with the Roy as the straight man and voice of reason. Without Roy we are now focused on Elan one of the two biggest one note jokes in strip and Haley who is straddled with the other one note, as well as a dead weight peripheral character. The one somewhat interesting addition to the strip recently was killed off so Elan wouldn't have to mature. It's like Burlew is actively trying to destroy the readability of his strip. Even the laffer jokes he's thrown at us lately are prefaced by massive walls of text that Tim Buckley would find verbose. We're into Dragon Ball Z powering up in the afterlife level stupidity and boredom and I can't believe more people aren't frustrated with it. So in short, none of us want the story to race to finish like, we want it to pick up some loose threads and stop sucking.
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I'm not particularly frustrated with it.  Heck, I admit it. I laughed at this last one, despite (or perhaps because of) my anticipation of some big strip 600 reveal.
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MechaFrogzilla posted:I'm not particularly frustrated with it. I completely agree
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ConfusedUs posted:Up to now, I've not been upset at the slow pace or the side plots. But here's a big gently caress you to the author for not only realizing that the comic is slowing down, but laughing about it. Let's all take a deep breath and forget our sense of entitlement regarding a comic we get for free.
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I'd like to point out that Roy has spent over a quarter of the entire series so far dead. Thankfully, Roy getting his goodbyes and such out of the way would seem to indicate that he's gonna get ressed soon, from a narative point of view anyways. He was never my favorite character, but it's been made abundantly clear he was the only thing holding the party together and keeping them all in line. Hopefully he'll come back and whoop everyone into shape (though V's issues will be a challenge, even for him).
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I admit, once I started reading #600 and saw Roy making his goodbyes I thought "Holy crap, Roy's coming back!" but then we all got swerved with that ending. And I laughed. Without a ridiculous number of speech bubbles in sight. Just a good ol' "ha ha" gag
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LuchadoresDelNixon posted:Let's all take a deep breath and forget our sense of entitlement regarding a comic we get for free. That doesn't make it beyond criticism, really. It's not very fair to excuse something from all (possibly useful) crit just because it's free.
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Oct 15, 2008 13:16
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Yes, it's not, but so far I've only seen pretty arbitrary criticism. People seem to be confusing "I don't like this, this sucks" with actual, legitimate criticism.
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Cabbit posted:Yes, it's not, but so far I've only seen pretty arbitrary criticism. People seem to be confusing "I don't like this, this sucks" with actual, legitimate criticism. Which, quite frankly, has been popping up more and more. Some people need a break, I think.
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I think that it's just a little bit tortuous for anyone who's actually been involved in a lagging D&D campaign to see the same thing happen to some funny characters. I been there, I know how boring as hell it can be. OoTS isn't boring even though it's not very epic right now.
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Cabbit posted:Yes, it's not, but so far I've only seen pretty arbitrary criticism. People seem to be confusing "I don't like this, this sucks" with actual, legitimate criticism.
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 New strizzip my BSSizzers. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0601.html 
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Well, I guess it's time for all of us who keep hoping that he'll actually move the plot along soon to  It seems not doing so is his new favorite joke.
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shadysight posted:Well, I guess it's time for all of us who keep hoping that he'll actually move the plot along soon to I'm afraid I'm gonna have to disagree with you sir ... Roy's finishing up in the afterlife and V is heading towards what looks to me like more plot.
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shadysight posted:Well, I guess it's time for all of us who keep hoping that he'll actually move the plot along soon to At least we got "Neither do I, yet you keep showing up," out of it, which is a good line. I'm okay with Burlew not moving the plot along if he can still give me funny. It's those strips in these past 100 when he's both done nothing and failed to tell any jokes that have sucked for me.
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CapnAndy posted:"Abandoning every plot thread to dick around with newly invented C-plots that don't even lead to character development for 100 strips is a terrible idea" is neither actual nor legitimate criticism? Except Kubota was dicking around before the Azure City invasion and what Haley and Belkar are dealing with now is in the Origin of the PCs, so it's not exactly newly invented. As for no character development, what do you call what's going on with Varsuvius? Or Belkar, for that matter. Someone who's as violent as he is is getting so sick that he can't fight at all, which is bound to affect him in some way. In addition to that, recent events could possibly make Elan mature a bit and become less annoying. And then there's everything Roy has been up to. We've had subplots before, we're having subplots now, and we'll most likely have subplots in the future. And with all of that said, it really has taken too long to get to this point.
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I'm calling it, Haley and Celia are doing some kind of infiltration plan. Edit: I had to reread the strip to make sure I still know Celia's name. Haven't seen her in the strip in so long.
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