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Dallas Blue posted:I tried to grab the tower shield at the end of the underground passage where biorr was captive but I didn't have enough space to take it with me. I came back later on with more than 30.0 units of inventory space free but it wasn't there.
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Dallas Blue posted:I tried to grab the tower shield at the end of the underground passage where biorr was captive but I didn't have enough space to take it with me. I came back later on with more than 30.0 units of inventory space free but it wasn't there. Yeah. If you try to pick up any item and fail it then gets dropped on the ground, it's no longer in "treasure state." Any items dropped on the ground are lost when you return to the Nexus.
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Jul 8, 2009 13:21
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Jul 8, 2009 13:49
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Megalixir posted:On second thought, Banish doesn't work for poo poo. I almost used that soul to make that spell last night, it sucks? I was hoping I could actually play some in my body if I had that spell and didn't have to worry about PvP, because I suck at it. What happened when you cast it?
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Jul 8, 2009 16:14
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The bp stood there bowing while I casted it twice, and it did nothing. He was pretty close as well. It works, but only if they're near you, and even then it isn't guaranteed to work. I don't know why, maybe it's lag or something.
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Jul 8, 2009 16:38
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I was wondering where one might find colorless demons souls. I cannot locate it on the wiki.
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Jul 8, 2009 16:53
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RiverRon posted:I was wondering where one might find colorless demons souls. I cannot locate it on the wiki. Kill the primeval demons that show up when you get a world to black tendency (one in each world, not stage, so there are 5), there's one in 1-1 near Miralda, and you can get two from the crow in 4-1, take a look at the wiki page for more info on that.
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Jul 8, 2009 16:59
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RiverRon posted:I was wondering where one might find colorless demons souls. I cannot locate it on the wiki. http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/demon-s-souls Good job reading.
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Two questions. Firstly, does anyone have any figures on how much white/black tendency move enemy/boss HP levels? I downed the Red Dragon in my first run through on neutral (defeated Phalanx then forgot to suicide in the Nexus so back to neutral), and counted a total of 1440 damage done (last hit was for 20, so he has between 1421 and 1440 HP). However, I guess this is of limited usefulness considering most players will be +1 white at this point, how much does that move things? Also, I'm looking into upgrades but nervous of going down the specialisation paths without much idea of what I'm doing - and there are so many different weapons on the wiki that I'm finding it tough getting an overview. What's the consensus on things that are worth making into Crescent/Dragon/Quality etc? I'm thinking: Quality - Winged Spear? I have no idea Crushing - Guillotine Axe, largely because it sounds cool. Sharp - Winged Spear again, based on the wiki (it has the stats listed so I assume it's a good choice, also I have loads of them) Tearing - Scimitar largely because I'm now quite experienced with it and love it. But if Mercury stacks (see below) then I guess Kilij? Dragon - Knight Sword seems to give the best stats Mercury - I'd love this on the Scimitar if it stacks with bleed damage. If not, Secret Dagger, but again, because it sounds cool rather than based on clever sums Fatal - Mailbreaker? I assume extra crit is for backstabs and the like? Moon - less relevant for me as I'm primarily melee, so I think this will definitely be for New Game +(+), but I like the sound of a Moon Bastard Sword. Crescent - the Uchigatana seems to be the logical choice based on stats. I don't suppose this is the same as the Kris Knife i.e. boosts the damage of your magic as well? Blessed - Knight Sword based on stats, but a Blessed Mace sounds a bit cooler Vicious - I guess has the be the Vicious Compound Longbow Dark - Purple Flame all the way. I suppose for completeness I should state that I'm working on a [b]Scimitar +10 and [b]Mirdan Hammer +10 for the hard/sharp stone trophies as well. Any tips/hints?
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Jul 8, 2009 23:28
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Crescent - The Kilij is usually recommended for this. It hits faster than the Uchigatana and its strikes are generally more useful, especially its heavy strikes. It doesn't increase magic damage like the Kris Knife. Blessed - I used a Mirdan Hammer for this. If it weren't for that I would have gone with a Blessed Great Sword. But I have a thing for bigger weapons in this game. Fatal - It seems most people use a Secret Dagger for this, but it looks to me like the Estoc might have higher damage. I'm not sure, I never got around to upgrading very far along this line. The Secret Dagger has more slashing attacks so it would probably be more useful when not doing backstabs/ripostes.
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Jul 9, 2009 01:02
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Oae Ui posted:Crescent - The Kilij is usually recommended for this. It hits faster than the Uchigatana and its strikes are generally more useful, especially its heavy strikes. It doesn't increase magic damage like the Kris Knife. I don't believe you can upgrade the Estoc to Fatal. Honestly, overall your best bet is a Fatal Winged Spear. Not as high a multiplier as the others, but its base damage is WAY higher so it's actually viable as a regular weapon, and it still crits for like 6x damage on a backstab and 8x on a riposte. Also the range and it's quite fast and light.
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Jul 9, 2009 01:09
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Ahh, the wiki had said at one time that the Estoc could go to Fatal but I never tried it. Are you sure that the Winged Spear crits for 6x/8x? I thought that was just daggers and knifes(rapiers). That's the only thing that was keeping me from using the spear for this.
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Jul 9, 2009 01:25
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Does upgrading the Kris Knife also increase its magic bonus to spells, or just the magic component its melee attacks?
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Jul 9, 2009 03:30
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Varkas posted:Does upgrading the Kris Knife also increase its magic bonus to spells, or just the magic component its melee attacks? the former.
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Jul 9, 2009 03:31
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I enjoy a good dragon morning star. Skeleton rape.
PSN ID(PS4): Steamshovel_Dan WiiU: Steamshovel (not playing it ATM)
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Jul 9, 2009 11:57
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Someone said that using Dark Silver Shield together with the Talisman of Beasts actually reduces magic damage. Is this true? I tried this on the skeletons in 1-1 and it didn't seem to make any difference. I heard this on gamefaqs. I'm just going to assume that whoever said that is replacing their +5 Kris Knife for the Dark Silver Shield, which is why the damage is cut.
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Jul 9, 2009 13:07
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Revised list based on your feedback, thanks guys! Quality - Winged Spear? I have no idea Crushing - Guillotine Axe, largely because it sounds cool. Sharp - Winged Spear again, based on the wiki (it has the stats listed so I assume it's a good choice, also I have loads of them) Tearing - Scimitar largely because I'm now quite experienced with it and love it. But if Mercury stacks (see below) then I guess Kilij? Dragon - Morning Star - for skeleton bashing, anything that makes them easy is good news, given how much farming seems to be based around them. Mercury - I'd love this on the Scimitar if it stacks with bleed damage. If not, Secret Dagger, but again, because it sounds cool rather than based on clever sums Fatal - Winged Spear Moon - less relevant for me as I'm primarily melee, so I think this will definitely be for New Game +(+), but I like the sound of a Moon Bastard Sword. Crescent - Kilij Blessed - Mirdan Hammer / Great Sword (although I still hanker for a Blessed Mace, but I suspect that's because I haven't swung one yet) Vicious - Compound Longbow Dark - Purple Flame all the way. Does anyone know if a Mercury Scimitar would do poison and bleed damage?
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Jul 9, 2009 13:23
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The blessed mace might be fine for you, especially if you've already had and messed around with a Mirdan Hammer. I just didn't find the mace to be all that exciting.
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Jul 9, 2009 13:42
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boatiemathmo posted:Revised list based on your feedback, thanks guys! If something does bleeding, it will still cause bleeding as a mercury weapon. Also, making a Dark Purple Flame Shield is going to cost you a boatload of stones, hell it's going to cost you a boatload of stones just to get it to plus six so you branch to Dark. Even as a melee (knight, highest stat is strength) guy, until I got a +4 dragon morning star, a Crescent Falchion +1 was my strongest weapon for a loooooooooooong time. PSN ID(PS4): Steamshovel_Dan WiiU: Steamshovel (not playing it ATM)
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Jul 9, 2009 19:29
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Golgozor posted:If something does bleeding, it will still cause bleeding as a mercury weapon. Brill, thanks! Now I definitely know what I'm doing there. I got my scimitar up to about +7 just from running 2-X (I ran 2-2 sooo many times before I got Flamelurker down it was actually just ridiculous), so that's been my top for ages. I don't entirely get your point on the Dark Purple Flame Shield. From what I can see, the only use for stones is upgrading shields, and none of them are any easier than the others (I might be mis-reading the wiki), so assuming I'm targetting Plat somewhere in the distance, I don't have much choice?
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Jul 9, 2009 22:40
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boatiemathmo posted:Does anyone know if a Mercury Scimitar would do poison and bleed damage? It would, but if you're looking to stack the maximums for those two, your best bet is Mercury Claws, since they have the highest bleed and poison rate at +5.
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I know the game has been out far too long, and I've only just bogarted IGN's import copy for the weekend, but I've never felt such simultaneous anguish and exhilaration while playing a game.... well, uh, poo poo, maybe ever. And it's my job to play hundreds of games a year. This game hates me. And I love it. I truly understand abuse now, and it's not making my creeping addiction any less powerful. I have a very, very basic idea of what I'm supposed to do, but that really doesn't help too much. My hope is that Atlus really takes the reins and fosters a community when the game hits here in the States because without it, you guys are kind of the only real resource for help. And I'm still not even sure what the hell I'm doing. I just rolled a Royal because I was told that's the best way to go.
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Jul 10, 2009 04:46
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Megalixir posted:Someone said that using Dark Silver Shield together with the Talisman of Beasts actually reduces magic damage. Is this true? I tried this on the skeletons in 1-1 and it didn't seem to make any difference. This is true, my magic damage from spells is cut significantly when using my Dark Silver Shield+5 compared to my Steel Shield+10
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Jul 10, 2009 07:51
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LiLMoNKeyBoY posted:This is true, my magic damage from spells is cut significantly when using my Dark Silver Shield+5 compared to my Steel Shield+10 He's talking about the magic damage that he deals, not the damage that he takes. Whoever said that was a moron and, like he said, probably replaced his kris knife with the shield.
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Jul 10, 2009 08:37
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boatiemathmo posted:Brill, thanks! Now I definitely know what I'm doing there. Some of them are easier than the others. The purple flame takes more (I don't know if it takes more once you get it on the Dark path, but it takes a shitload more hardstones to get a Purple Flame to +6 than to get a heater or kite to +6). PSN ID(PS4): Steamshovel_Dan WiiU: Steamshovel (not playing it ATM)
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Honestly, any weapon upgraded to the Dragon line and maxed out will be incredibly powerful. It doesn't scale with stats, so it starts to suck after a while, but it won't realistically start sucking until you start getting relatively high in Soul Level. My Dragon Longsword +5 (I know I know, I should have upgraded a Knight Sword) is only just now being outpaced by my Moon Winged Spear +5 at close to level 80. Really, I like the magic-based weapons as a primary Melee fighter because the magic or fire damage ignores armor and tends to deal a lot of damage to normally tough enemies. The fire damage also stuns a lot of humanoid enemies (since, after all, it lights them on fire), which can be crucial. I switched from a Strength-heavy build to focusing more on the Magic stat, and so far the Moon Winged Spear has treated me very well. The magic damage portion is also part of why the Meat Cleaver is so loving strong--half of its immense damage is magical, though it scales partially on Faith.
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Fuzz posted:It would, but if you're looking to stack the maximums for those two, your best bet is Mercury Claws, since they have the highest bleed and poison rate at +5. Sorry to come back to this - has this been confirmed? Wiki only has Mercury Scimitar info for +1, and I can't see anything on GameFAQs.
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boatiemathmo posted:Sorry to come back to this - has this been confirmed? Wiki only has Mercury Scimitar info for +1, and I can't see anything on GameFAQs. You can pretty much ignore that section of the FAQ buddy. It's not helpful. It doesn't list all of the weapons that can be upgraded for each path. If a weapon can be upgraded on that path, it can go to the max on that path. PSN ID(PS4): Steamshovel_Dan WiiU: Steamshovel (not playing it ATM)
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Jul 10, 2009 21:42
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I'm so close to just breaking my disk in frustration over trying to farm a pure bladestone. This poo poo is ridiculous. I can't count how many runs I've done in 4-2 going after the black skeleton in the hidden path. 
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I will never understand why people do this to themselves. Maybe if you're lucky one of the people who have the weapon will be willingly to lend it to you though.
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Golgozor posted:You can pretty much ignore that section of the FAQ buddy. It's not helpful. It doesn't list all of the weapons that can be upgraded for each path. Yeah, I know it can go to +5, I'm wondering if anyone has taken it to +5 and can confirm that it's weaker than the claws. If not, I'm tempted to FOR SCIENCE (and because I really like the scimitar for some reason). Is there a better resource for upgrade stats I should look at/consider adding to?
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Jul 10, 2009 22:29
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YOu and your talk about advanced weapons upgrades... I'm just glad I beat the loving Tower knight after 10 tries (10 tries to get past those drat blue knights on the wall that is). The monkey is me, the dog is the tower knight. 
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SamBishop posted:This game hates me. And I love it. I truly understand abuse now, and it's not making my creeping addiction any less powerful. The abuse thing gets better. Even though it's hard, it's not unfairly hard, so it makes you feel like you deserve to die when you get overconfident/gently caress up/whatever. I hope you'll be sharing your thoughts on it after you've had some time to get used to it, though. I honestly think that this is going to end up being the best game I'll have played this year, but it'd be interesting to hear what somebody says who reviews games for a living.
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gallilee posted:YOu and your talk about advanced weapons upgrades... Haha, I know exactly how you feel. I went with magic for the Tower Knight and he was next to trivial - Just keep shooting from the ramparts, he takes loads of damage if it hits, and as a Royal with my fragrant ring I was in no danger of running out of MP Just wait until you get to Flamelurker! The only way I could beat him was he eventually got stuck on the stairs and I nuked him from the top step, laughing as I did it. Unsatisfying way to do it, but it was still a kill I'm really not looking forward to facing him again on New Game+
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boatiemathmo posted:Yeah, I know it can go to +5, I'm wondering if anyone has taken it to +5 and can confirm that it's weaker than the claws. Pick the best weapon in the weapon group that suits your style. Kilij E: or Shotei Hamburger Test fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jul 10, 2009 |
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Kreeblah posted:The abuse thing gets better. Even though it's hard, it's not unfairly hard, so it makes you feel like you deserve to die when you get overconfident/gently caress up/whatever. Oh, I'll almost certainly be popping in and disrupting all this advanced play talk (it's all literally moon speak for me at this point so I doubt it would spoil anything even if there weren't folks cool enough to use tags) with "waaah, I was a retard and bit off more than I could chew!" comments. Even early on, when I died, it was most certainly because I hosed up (well, there was that one time I slipped, and I doubt it'll be the last). Needless to say, I got a crazy rush from just beating the Phalanx. I can't wait to get completely owned the second I head into my first new area. I suppose I should probably work on upgrading/leveling my character now. Off I go!
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Not Who You Think posted:He's talking about the magic damage that he deals, not the damage that he takes. I'm talking about the magic damage i deal also and that is with only the shields and not the kris knife.
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boatiemathmo posted:Haha, I know exactly how you feel. I went with magic for the Tower Knight and he was next to trivial - Just keep shooting from the ramparts, he takes loads of damage if it hits, and as a Royal with my fragrant ring I was in no danger of running out of MP Actually, I'm willing to bet that by the time you're in NG+ you'll be fine, if you stick with magic. Magic's almost the easy button as long as you can avoid getting hit. Good luck with that one.
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boatiemathmo posted:Haha, I know exactly how you feel. I went with magic for the Tower Knight and he was next to trivial - Just keep shooting from the ramparts, he takes loads of damage if it hits, and as a Royal with my fragrant ring I was in no danger of running out of MP I ripped his rear end melee style (crescent falchion) and purple flame +5, didn't even try to dodge his attacks, he couldn't hurt me. PSN ID(PS4): Steamshovel_Dan WiiU: Steamshovel (not playing it ATM)
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How do people de-level? It takes stats off you if you use Allant, I'm sure of it. So how is this useful for PvP at all? If you do this and revert back to level 50 from 100, what's the point? I have heard of people using this to invade lower levels but I don't understand it. If it takes a level and removes a stat, it's not giving you any advantage over the characters you're invading.
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