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The Wii is incapable of downloading/installing anything in the background - it needs to be prompted, therefore it won't download anything unless you tell it to.
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I don't think it even updates (without being from a game disc) without saying "Do you want to update? It could gently caress you up if you modded this poo poo."
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Sep 29, 2009 08:41
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Honestly, if you just don't download the update you'll be completely fine. Everyone should be using Preloader/StartPatch to skip disc updates already either way. Because it literally has no features, no one's going to release a safe updater for it, so for now people just need to be smart until Twiizers releases a new hack for 4.2 using Indiana Pwns/Smash Stack. E: Waninkoko posted in the Gbatemp thread about 4.2, which means he's probably going to get back into the Wii hacking scene to release a new cIOS/workaround for Rev14. Brett824 fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Sep 29, 2009 |
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Sep 29, 2009 09:46
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I find it funny just how behind Nintendo are here. Yeah, they've managed to block Bannerbomb. Just as a new exploit starts doing the rounds. Oops. Good that Waninkoko is taking another stab at this poo poo, too.
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Sep 29, 2009 11:52
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Brett824 posted:Everyone should be using Preloader/StartPatch to skip disc updates already either way. So I take it there is no way to skip downloadable updates? There's some Wiiware I would like to buy. 
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Sep 29, 2009 13:53
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Glad there's not really any reason for my Wii to be internet-connected or even play any new games for at least a year or so.
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Sep 29, 2009 14:13
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And nice to see that you can still install it if you've got either Indiana Jones or that oh-so-extremely-obscure Smash Bros. sequel for the Wii.  e:I think I heard that, since it involves a software exploit, the Smash Bros. exploit is impossible to remove. Any truth to it? CraigK fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Sep 29, 2009 |
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Sep 29, 2009 14:16
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Cojawfee posted:Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieet. I love how every time nintendo releases a new update everyone freaks out and ask if they should unplug their wii.
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Sep 29, 2009 14:53
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CraigK posted:And nice to see that you can still install it if you've got either Indiana Jones or that oh-so-extremely-obscure Smash Bros. sequel for the Wii. They could probably "patch" it by changing modifying the IOS it uses with some specific code to stop the buffer overflow, but it would very difficult to pull off without breaking something.
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Sep 29, 2009 14:56
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Mill Village posted:So I take it there is no way to skip downloadable updates? There's some Wiiware I would like to buy. In the past people have made programs that'll update the Shop Channel and leave everything else alone so that you can keep on buying poo poo without breaking homebrew. From the looks of things that won't be as easy this time as the System Menu hinges on a new IOS, so updating the Shop Channel on its own probably won't work. My guess is it's in preparation for the VC referral scheme that's coming soon.
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Sep 29, 2009 15:15
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Brett824 posted:Honestly, if you just don't download the update you'll be completely fine. Everyone should be using Preloader/StartPatch to skip disc updates already either way. Because it literally has no features, no one's going to release a safe updater for it, so for now people just need to be smart until Twiizers releases a new hack for 4.2 using Indiana Pwns/Smash Stack. Wii Shop Channel doesn't work without it. Some people like to buy things and have their homebrew and are not pirates.
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Sep 29, 2009 17:25
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I won't care about the lack of the Shop channel until Cave Story comes out.
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Sep 29, 2009 17:31
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Grilldos posted:I won't care about the lack of the Shop channel until Cave Story comes out. Yeah. That's what I'm waiting for too.
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Sep 29, 2009 18:01
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Awww gently caress does this mean I can't add points to my wii account? I wanted to buy more RB2 DLC this weekend. Can you add points without using the Wii itself? The in-game shop doesn't use the shop channel itself so I can still buy stuff. The shop channel can't be independantly upgraded anymore? I have the formerly most recent shop channel and my wii is still technically 3.3U. e. duh, I guess if the system menu uses a new IOS then it would require that upgrade too, huh?
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Sep 29, 2009 18:02
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Code Jockey posted:Awww gently caress does this mean I can't add points to my wii account? I wanted to buy more RB2 DLC this weekend. According to the WiiBrew post on it, it's the same version of WiiShop, but it checks the main system menu to see if it's the latest version and if it's not, it wont run (tell you to update).
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Sep 29, 2009 18:06
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That's kind of dumb though, because won't people who used homebrew before and bought wii shop stuff now just pirate things?
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Sep 29, 2009 18:11
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Yeah, it does seem kind of dumb. They won't let you buy things if they're afraid you won't buy things. I've got a homebrewed Wii, but want to give Nintendo my money so I can purchase old games on the VC or pick up some WiiWare. They're making it so much harder to give them my money. I guess they are counting on us wanting some WiiWare game SO MUCH, that we will just give up everything homebrew has to offer for that game.
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Sep 29, 2009 18:21
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Chronojam posted:Yeah, it does seem kind of dumb. They won't let you buy things if they're afraid you won't buy things. I've got a homebrewed Wii, but want to give Nintendo my money so I can purchase old games on the VC or pick up some WiiWare. They're making it so much harder to give them my money. I'm just wondering if newer games (Boy and his Blob?  ) will refuse to run out of the old System Menu.
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Sep 29, 2009 18:54
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I am basically going to have to update to 4.2 at some point because I REALLY want to get Beatles Rock Band DLC and I need to go into the shop channel to add points. Here's hoping they can fix Homebrew Channel before Oct. 20, 2009 because I NEED to buy the Abbey Road medley (You Never Give Me Your Money/Sun King/Mean Mr. Mustard/Polythene Pam/She Came in Through the Bathroom Window/Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight), which will be one continuous track and Maxwell's Silver Hammer.
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Sep 29, 2009 19:04
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Yeah wow, I hope that some sort of workaround is released before Cave Story goes up on the shop channel, I was really looking forward to buying that.
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Sep 29, 2009 19:29
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WiiSCU can supposedly be used to update the shop channel without having to install anything else.
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Sep 29, 2009 19:58
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Cless Alvein posted:WiiSCU can supposedly be used to update the shop channel without having to install anything else. Right and that's what I used before, but now, the shop channel you pull is going to look at the running system menu.  So there's no other way to add points? That's dumb as all hell.
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Sep 29, 2009 20:22
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Chronojam posted:I guess they are counting on us wanting some WiiWare game SO MUCH, that we will just give up everything homebrew has to offer for that game. Yeah, that ain't gonna happen here. Much as I want Cave Story, La-Mulana and some other bits, I can stand to wait a week or two while industrious Wii hacky types crack the system so that homebrew types can get to the store again. I don't want to go back to using discs again. They're so slow! Having everything installed to HD is just so much better.
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Sep 29, 2009 20:43
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Dominic White posted:I don't want to go back to using discs again. They're so slow! Having everything installed to HD is just so much better. What a load of arse.
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Sep 29, 2009 21:13
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Workarounds will come, no doubt about it. Just wait, unless you're itching to get that wii shop title right at this very moment.
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Sep 29, 2009 22:03
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When Nintendo puts something in the shop that's worth buying, I'll think about paying them. I've already got five bucks in the shop from a couple years ago, but whatever.
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Sep 29, 2009 22:05
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WSCU can update the shop channel independently from system menu, allowing you to access it easily. Also, the odds that games are going to start coming with 4.2 are pretty slim, considering there hasn't been a game that included a SysMenu update since 3.4.
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Sep 29, 2009 22:10
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Brett824 posted:WSCU can update the shop channel independently from system menu, allowing you to access it easily. Doesn't work. Non trucha ios61 gives a connection error. Patched 61 says you need to update.
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Sep 29, 2009 22:14
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People on GBATemp are claiming they've gotten it to work with just WiiSCU. I've yet to try it because I really don't care, so I could be wrong. e: marc_max from GBAtemp posted:http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7SY8O82H Multiple people say this work, and multiple people have confirmed Wiiscu works. Brett824 fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Sep 29, 2009 |
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Sep 29, 2009 22:16
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I wonder if you could just patch the shop channel to not check for system channel version, or to not care about what it finds?
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Sep 29, 2009 22:26
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Code Jockey posted:I wonder if you could just patch the shop channel to not check for system channel version, or to not care about what it finds?
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I'm a little confused - since theres now two other exploits to install homebrew stuff, whats stopping anyone from just using those and running homebrew and all that other stuff? Or is this one of those updates where it removes all the stuff every time you turn on your system and such? moron izzard fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Sep 29, 2009 |
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Sep 29, 2009 22:40
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Robolizard! posted:I'm a little confused - since theres now two other exploits to install homebrew stuff, what stopping anyone from just using those and running homebrew and all that other stuff? Nothing much, except that for some things to work fully again post-update we're just waiting on an cIOS update. If you've already got a hacked Wii, it's probably best to wait until all the apps and updaters fall into line with 4.2. Brett824 posted:The System Menu checks for the title IDs HAXX and DVDX on every boot, and deletes them. Blargh. I am corrected. I do find it funny that the solution to that could be as simple as renaming to 'HAKS' and 'DVDZ' though. Dominic White fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Sep 29, 2009 |
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Sep 29, 2009 22:43
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Robolizard! posted:I'm a little confused - since theres now two other exploits to install homebrew stuff, what stopping anyone from just using those and running homebrew and all that other stuff? The System Menu checks for the title IDs HAXX and DVDX on every boot, and deletes them. People have gotten around this by just DOP IOSing 56, 57, 70 and then installing the System Menu WAD, and changing their HBC title ID to "LOVE". 4.2 isn't that big of a deal for people on 4.1 who want to update safely.
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Sep 29, 2009 22:44
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But basically there's no reason to update to 4.2 from 4.1 unless you need the WiiShop Channel. Right?
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Sep 29, 2009 22:55
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hawk989s posted:But basically there's no reason to update to 4.2 from 4.1 unless you need the WiiShop Channel. Right? You don't need to update to 4.2 to use the shop channel, use WiiSCU or the Megaupload link I posted a couple posts up to do that. Other than that there's no reason other than to avoid the inevitable required update for Ninty's big holiday releases. Wanin's probably going to release a Safe 4.2 within a couple days, so if anyone really feels like getting 4.2, wait until then.
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Sep 29, 2009 22:58
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Brett824 posted:Other than that there's no reason other than to avoid the inevitable required update for Ninty's big holiday releases. From what I read though, chances are it probably wont be required.
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Sep 29, 2009 23:05
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hawk989s posted:From what I read though, chances are it probably wont be required. I don't know, Nintendo went through the effort of stubbing the major cIOS IOSes and blocking title IDs with this update. Wouldn't surprise me if they found a way to rush in 4.2 to all their holiday releases. They're really cracking down on people having fun with the Wii.
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Sep 29, 2009 23:07
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Interesting thing to note: If you accidentally updated to 4.2 and had Waninkoko's Rev14 installed, there's already a solution to get HBC back. Using Smash Stack or Indiana Pwns to run WAD Manager and install a modified title ID HBC WAD (Team Twiizers doesn't like this, but whatever) using IOS 250 will work fine. Thanks to Waninkoko for maxing out the IOS250 version number to prevent it from being stubbed.
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Brett824 posted:I don't know, Nintendo went through the effort of stubbing the major cIOS IOSes and blocking title IDs with this update. Wouldn't surprise me if they found a way to rush in 4.2 to all their holiday releases. They're really cracking down on people having fun with the Wii. Yeah, but people will find a way. Either a new way to hack the Wii, or a way to patch disc images, or a way to extract and install necessary update pieces, or...
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