jackpot posted:

Dear Lord, this year you took my favorite actor, Patrick Swayze. You took my favorite actress, Farrah Fawcett. You took my favorite singer, Michael Jackson. I just wanted to let you know, my favorite person in the world is the United States Marine.

Hardcore Phonography posted:

hey

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

Message about illegals? Pray for our troops.

Message about socialism? Pray for our troops.

Message about Obama's birth certificate? Pray for our troops.

Blah blah blah blah blah? Pray for our troops.

chesh posted:

What I love about the illegal immigrant debate is this: What would these people accept as a proper form of identification? I mean, we already know they won't accept legal, state issues birth certificates.

Zwabu posted:

IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS FORWARD THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW, AND THANK A U.S. MARINE.

Woodtopian's Aunt posted:

I hate Sarah Palin she is such a dork............She should grow a brain and get out of My United States of America.... Long live freedom.

RagnarokAngel posted:

IF YOU DON'T JUST DELETE IT.

Blarghalt posted:

We should really start a drinking game. Take a shot every time a conspiracy theory email ends with "Support Rand/Ron Paul!"

quote:

Niel
sup
7:31pm

Me
Hello there.
7:31pm

Neil
hmmmm
So i clearly see where you stand...
7:32pm

Me
In regards to the president and political party I assume?
7:32pm

Neil
Both you and my cousin Mary have been very " " on my threads....
7:33pm

Me
Yea, I would say so.
Well, the problem is (and it's better discussing it in real time), with being provided with a mountain of evidence, you still doubt wither he is a Natural Born Citizen.
7:34pm

Neil
Just wanted to take note, thats all.... Have a good evening.
7:34pm

Me
Why's that?
Now that we're talking, I'm just wondering, why is it you believe he isn't a natural born citizen?
7:37pm

Me
You see, this is why I am so vocal about what I believe in. EVERYONE I have every discussed this with are the exact same. When talked to in real time, they just ignore me, and when presented with real evidence on, say a forum, they dance around the issue.
7:38pm

Me
Do you have an actual real valid reason for believing he isn't a natural born citizen other then Fox News said so?
7:41pm

Neil
I explained to you in a post on one of my threads what the law was in 1961
7:41pm

Me
Which law specifically.
7:41pm

Neil
He is not eligible and the DNC is too deep into it to admit it.. Rather spend millions of tax dollars on law suits to dismiss it.
7:41pm

Me
I showed you the exactly article from the 14th amendment that showed Obama was a natural born citizen.
7:42pm

Neil
Should i really correct you?
7:42pm

Me
Show me (or tell me) the exact law.
Sure, go for it.
7:42pm

Neil
LOL
7:42pm

Me
Come on...don't get like that. This a mature debate.
7:43pm

Neil
In 1961 citizen ship was carried over from the father, not mother. No matter if the person was born on american soil.

That law did change.. not sure when...
7:43pm

Me
Anyone can type down something they believe to be true. Do you have the actual text of the law or the name or anything?
7:44pm

Neil
If i wanted to research it, but i don't care to at this moment, sorry. Google it.
7:44pm

Me
I'm trying, finding nothing.
7:45pm

Me
You also can not have your citizenship stripped from you because of a law change like that. (Might be wrong here)

It's like with immigrants. If they are born on US soil, they are a Citizen, plain and simple.

Well, the children of.
7:47pm

Neil
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
from you FAVORITE site too =P=P
7:47pm

Me
...That clearly shows he IS a citizen...
7:47pm

Neil
yup, ok
7:48pm

Me
Read it dude...

Do I have to really point you in the direction of the 14th amendment again?
7:49pm

Neil
how stupid are you>? read the whole link i sent you.. OMG
7:49pm

Me
The snopes one?
7:49pm

Neil
I have to go.. chat later if you dare
7:49pm

Dradien posted:

Not Exactly Email, but from Facebook. If it isn't kosher, I'll delete it..


What law is he referring to? My brain is about to explode:(

Taerkar posted:

The law passed in 1961 that specifically stated that Barack "The Islam Sensation" Obama wasn't a naturally-born citizen of the US, of course.

They were very proactive about it.

Dradien posted:

What law is he referring to? My brain is about to explode:(

U.S. State Department posted:

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship By a Child Born Abroad

Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock: A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the U.S. prior to the child’s birth.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(a) INA provided:

1) a blood relationship between the applicant and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence;

2) the father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the applicant's birth;

3) the father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the applicant reaches the age of 18 years, and

4) while the person is under the age of 18 years --

A) applicant is legitimated under the law of their residence or domicile,

B) father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or

C) the paternity of the applicant is established by adjudication court.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

US Code TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1405 posted:

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

Alastor_the_Stylish posted:

Didn't some boring law get a rider attached that says "BARACK OBAMA IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" so everyone can stop talking about it?

Blarghalt posted:

And hey, if they can't prove Obama wasn't born in Hawaii they could always fall back on something equally nutty, like Hawaii not being a state.

It's kind of sad that that could probably happen.

Hardcore Phonography posted:

RagnarokAngel posted:

One must wonder how long this will go on. After Obama's left office, even after he dies, someone will still go "He wasn't a citizen, we need to repeal all laws that occured during his administration!"

the posted:

Interesting. Let's say, hypothetically, that ten years after he leaves office it's revealed that he in fact wasn't a citizen.

What would or could actually happen with respect to laws passed?

chesh posted:

Seriously Obama should definitely travel to Arizona. Arpaio might try to arrest him.

Hardcore Phonography posted:

Taerkar posted:

The law passed in 1961 that specifically stated that Barack "The Islam Sensation" Obama wasn't a naturally-born citizen of the US, of course.

quote:

American Flag versus Mexican Flag at a Calif. High School.

Some of you might not be aware of what is going on in California. This e-mail I got from a friend is just one example of what's brewing. There's trouble in the streets this summer, My Friends.

It's time to take names and kick rear end.

Let's all write the California school system and complain, I know I am.

This is one e-mail that you would hope wasn't true, but the pictures seem to tell it all. Very sad!!!

You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY Times or on the lead story of the major news networks.

FLAGS FLYING AT MONTEBELLO HIGH SCHOOL SAYS IT ALL....

THE USA IS IN DISTRESS AND MEXICO HAS TAKEN OVER!

THE AMERICAN FLAG COMES IN SECOND!

quote:

You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY Times or on the lead story of the major news networks. The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upside down at Montebello High School in California.

I predict this stunt will be the nail in the coffin of any guest-worker/amnesty plan on the table in Washington. The image of the American flag subsumed to another and turned upside down on American soil is already spreading on Internet forums and via e-mail.

Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to every representative in the state and federal government. If you choose to remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have a nation to call your own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be "redistributed" to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out of the "fray". Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and values. One person CAN make a difference. One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one ...

The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean something, however, hasn't even begun.

If this ticks YOU off...PASS IT ON!

euphronius posted:

Right wingers have a bizarre obsession with flag and flag displays. They almost think the flag is a living thing.

jackpot posted:

They've fetishized the flag the same way they have (their idea of) the constitution and founding fathers, and the best part is they think nothing of (in fact take pride in) wearing it as clothing, or on their cars, or in This Is Are Murrica GOP (and Democrat, to be fair) ads, all of which go against U.S. flag code.

euphronius posted:

Imagine if it was a cool looking flag.

jackpot posted:

euphronius posted:

What one is that.

quote:

We have to be the laughing stock of the world. We Americans, ya right.

Subject: FW: Immigration???????? or Illegals?????????? READ THIS!

READ THIS! (I want MY country back!)

THIS HAS GOT TO BE PASSED ALONG TO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OR WE WILL ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE A FEW DON'T CARE.

This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet.


Tomatoes and Cheap Labor - This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent

From a California school teacher - - -
"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America .

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students, here in the country less than 3 months, who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas"(whores) and throwing things, that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, free day care etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

Americans, We need to wake up.

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It involves an American third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about “political correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.

CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He
takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. If
qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicaid. All of this is at (our)
taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6..00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!

THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS OF EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY
SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM.

Please pass this on to as many as possible. Immigration legislation is to be considered in 2010. This is important to working Americans, our economy and our American culture and heritage.

Dradien posted: