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Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

RagnarokAngel posted:

If it were that easy why not just flee to Canada and live the high life as an illegal there? It's clearly a bulletproof strategy.

These colors don't run! :911:

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Lansdowne
Dec 28, 2008

Nothing in that email applies to illegal immigrants that doesn't apply to poor legal citizens.

Just one time I want to see one of these emails that blankly says, "You know what? I really don't like Mexicans or the poor and I think we should kick them out of this country." Don't sidestep around with weaselly language, just come right out and loving say it.

That said, how many of those programs do illegal aliens actually qualify for? I know that they can get their children in the free school lunch program (the horror) and 'free' healthcare from the ER, but I was under the impression that most of those other things take at least a SSN.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020
The worst part of it all is his contempt for the students he's supposed to be teaching and guiding. How are they going to learn to respect her/him if s/he doesn't respect them? It makes me want to cry IRL. :(

Also, "oh no, the kids are getting a balanced meal that can help them get less loving fat" :psyduck:

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Spoilers: Most of that stuff illegals don't actually get and it's full of poo poo.

Dradien
Jun 24, 2005
Ask me about shrimp.
Yea, my wife works at a non-profit center that helps people get back on their feet, and work with the assistance office with stuff like food stamps, HUD, and other programs.

Now, this is in Pennsylvania, so not a whole lot of illegals here (although there is a good bunch), and my wife points out two things:

You NEED a SSN to get ANYTHING, which cuts out the illegals.
All of the welfare queens and people that don't try are white. I know far to many white welfare queens and not really any Mexicans/Puerto Ricans gaming the system.

I suppose everyone forwarding them e-mails also advocate kicking out the poor people I guess.

Edit: Not to say that the system is perfect and illegals don't game the system, but holy hell, people take this poo poo out of proportion. To me, it's just thinly veiled racism, but I could be wrong.

Dradien fucked around with this message at 21:30 on May 23, 2010

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Dradien posted:

To me, it's just thinly veiled racism, but I could be wrong.

You're not.

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

Dradien posted:

Just got this gem in my email. :ughh:

"Here's my sketchy, unfactual anecdote about why illegal immigration is a problem. It's from a school teacher, like Airborne!"

:suicide: Wow that's bad.

Schweig und tanze
May 22, 2007

STUBBSSSSS INNNNNN SPACEEEE!

Dradien posted:

Just got this gem in my email. :ughh:

"...It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It involves an American third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15..."



Yeah, I agree that Republicans and white trash are really loving things up for the rest of us :ohdear:

Blackjack2000
Mar 29, 2010

All these emails seem to have the same writing style, that slightly awkward, frenetic, and oddly manic tone.

"This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet."

What kind of sentence is that? It almost has the flavor of a Nigerian e-mail scam.

MOLLUSC
Nov 30, 2005

It's probably because they originate from people who live in a secure underground bunker surrounded by emergency rations, colloidal silver and gold bullion. They are genuinely paranoid in the psychiatric sense of the word.

One Million Laffs
Aug 7, 2004
Just got this email from my dad. Not sure how to respond, if at all..

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This video backs up my statement that Obama is a muslim...watch this and tell me if you still disagree...

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

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Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

HOMOGOD JEFF posted:

Just got this email from my dad. Not sure how to respond, if at all..

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This video backs up my statement that Obama is a muslim...watch this and tell me if you still disagree...

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

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Article VI, U.S. Constitution posted:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Ask your Dad why he hates the Constitution. Obama's religion has no relevance to anything.

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc

HOMOGOD JEFF posted:

Just got this email from my dad. Not sure how to respond, if at all..

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This video backs up my statement that Obama is a muslim...watch this and tell me if you still disagree...

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

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Tell him to back up the video about five seconds, where the full quote is "Many Americans have Muslims in their families, or have lived in a Muslim majority country - I know, because I am one of them."

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates
Forget the discrimination factor. How incapable of subtlety do you have to be to assume that "I have Muslims in my family, and have lived around Muslims" is definitive and obvious proof that the speaker is a practicing Muslim?

notcreativeenough
Mar 8, 2010

by Fistgrrl

Mornacale posted:

Forget the discrimination factor. How incapable of subtlety do you have to be to assume that "I have Muslims in my family, and have lived around Muslims" is definitive and obvious proof that the speaker is a practicing Muslim?

Muslim is like gayness it's spread through close proximity contact. Just stating the position that logic extrapolates from various Christian rantings about gays.

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2
Received this, which is completely identical to this blog post:

http://usconstitutionalfreepress.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/the-new-deal-as-revolution/

quote:

Whittaker Chambers had a secret. He had worked in the American Communist underground for most of the 1930s. His break from that underground had been hazardous; he hid his family for quite some time before surfacing. When he did, his unique writing talent earned him a place at Time magazine, where he eventually rose to be one of its senior editors.

In 1939, with the outbreak of WWII, Chambers decided he needed to inform the FDR administration of what he knew about those currently working in the underground. Through an intermediary, he obtained an interview with Adolf Berle, the Assistant Secretary of State in charge of security. During his evening with Berle, Chambers disclosed a long list of individuals who could be threats to the country during a war that he sensed the U.S. would eventually have to enter.

Berle seemed alarmed by the revelations. Chambers was relieved that now the truth would come out. Yet when Berle took this information to FDR, he was rudely dismissed—FDR didn’t care.

When Chambers finally realized the administration was apathetic to the traitors in its midst, he had to reassess what he knew of FDR and his policies. In his classic autobiography, Witness, he describes how this rebuff affected him:

And with astonishment I took my first hard look at the New Deal. . . . All the New Dealers I had known were Communists or near-Communists. None of them took the New Deal seriously as an end in itself. They regarded it as an instrument for gaining their own revolutionary ends. I myself thought of the New Deal as a reform movement that, in social and labor legislation, was belatedly bringing the United States abreast of Britain or Scandinavia.

What shocked Chambers was that he recognized for the first time that the New Deal was far more than a reform movement. It was ”a genuine revolution, whose deepest purpose was not simply reform within existing traditions, but a basic change in the social, and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.”

This “revolution” was not taking the same form as the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, but its effect was just as sinister:

It was not a revolution by violence. It was a revolution by bookkeeping and lawmaking. In so far as it was successful, the power of politics had replaced the power of business. This is the basic power shift of all the revolutions of our time. This shift was the revolution.

Chambers was quite prescient in this analysis. American historians have long noted that in the last half of the nineteenth century, presidents played second fiddle to business leaders. This never sat well with progressives. Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson made strides in the shift to power politics, but they suffered a setback in the 1920s under Harding and Coolidge, who were ingrained with the principles of self-government and sanctity of private property.

Then came the Depression and all the wonders that government could perform to ease the plight of the American people. Chambers saw that even though the New Deal was not an overt socialist/communist ploy, it worked in tandem with that philosophy. New Dealers, most of whom would have never considered themselves either socialists or communists, were, due to their progressive policies, fellow-travelers. As Chambers explains,

Thus men who sincerely abhorred the word Communism, in the pursuit of common ends found that they were unable to distinguish Communists from themselves, except that it was just the Communists who were likely to be most forthright and most dedicated in the common cause.

Critics of Witness often howled at Chambers’s association of liberals with socialists and communists. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, they cried. Yet Chambers put his own reputation on the line giving his witness before Congress in 1948, as he testified in the landmark Alger Hiss case. He knew, from personal experience, that the difference between liberalism and communism was in degree only: both put their faith in man and rejected faith in God; therefore, they shared a common worldview.

Chambers summarized the symbiotic relationship quite nicely:

Every move against the Communists was felt by the liberals as a move against themselves. . . . The Communists were fully aware of their superior tactical position, and knew that they had only to shout their innocence and cry: “Witch hunt!” for the liberals to rally in all innocence to their defense.

Some things don’t change: we are still undergoing a revolution by bookkeeping and lawmaking, and we continue to hear the snarls of “witch hunt” whenever this revolution is challenged. What we need now is the same tenacity shown by Chambers. He completed his “witness.” What will we do?

Blarghalt
May 19, 2010

Never mind that almost every communist government ever has come about from a short, violent revolution instead of slow, creeping infiltration.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

I like how the entire thing is predicated on the unspoken assumption that being a communist is an unnacceptable position in American politics. Nobody would warn the president that there were libertarians skulking about.

Deuce
Jun 18, 2004
Mile High Club

Arglebargle III posted:

I like how the entire thing is predicated on the unspoken assumption that being a communist is an unnacceptable position in American politics. Nobody would warn the president that there were libertarians skulking about.

Or that anybody considered communism to be some giant threat to the world before WWII.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Deuce posted:

Or that anybody considered communism to be some giant threat to the world before WWII.

You are aware of the First Red Scare of 1917-1920 right?

Deuce
Jun 18, 2004
Mile High Club

fishmech posted:

You are aware of the First Red Scare of 1917-1920 right?

I was under the impression that that was more of a fear of anarchists than outright communists but my knowledge of that time is sketchy I'll admit.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Deuce posted:

I was under the impression that that was more of a fear of anarchists than outright communists but my knowledge of that time is sketchy I'll admit.

Communists and anarchists were assumed to be one and the same and Wilson's government hunted them down ruthlessly. Do remember that this was the time period of the Soviet Union being formed.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

fishmech posted:

Communists and anarchists were assumed to be one and the same and Wilson's government hunted them down ruthlessly. Do remember that this was the time period of the Soviet Union being formed.
They literally put all the anarchists and communists they could easily prosecute (as being non-citizens) on the same boat, then sent it over to Soviet Russia.
Moreover, this was the impetus for the formation of what ultimately became the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover.

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out
I finally get to contribute:

Got to love the idea that "more and more people don't believe in a christian god... or even a god at all". Wow... more and more huh? 90% believe in some sort of god. the number has fluctuated by only a few percentage points over the course of the nations history...wow so this means by liberal thinking that all of america has turned agnostic... c'mon don't fudge the numbers and make it seem like a small percentage is bigger than it actually is. liberals do this with every single pole. if it changes even 1/2 % point then the whole country is going there way.

seperation of church and state doesn't mean that when u become a president you stop worshiping god. the president is still a person not a gov't. he's the leader of the gov't but gov't is policies and laws...not people. what a stupid point.

Turing sex machine
Dec 14, 2008

I want to have
your robot-babies
:roboluv:

crime fighting hog posted:

"more and more people don't believe in a christian god... or even a god at all" == "all religions are extinct and the US government is now officially atheistic"
Wow, way to build a giant strawman of crazy on the back of a fairly non-ambiguous quote.

tek79
Jun 16, 2008

. posted:

Got to love the idea that "more and more people don't believe in a christian god... or even a god at all". Wow... more and more huh? 90% believe in some sort of god. the number has fluctuated by only a few percentage points over the course of the nations history...wow so this means by liberal thinking that all of america has turned agnostic... c'mon don't fudge the numbers and make it seem like a small percentage is bigger than it actually is. liberals do this with every single pole. if it changes even 1/2 % point then the whole country is going there way.

seperation of church and state doesn't mean that when u become a president you stop worshiping god. the president is still a person not a gov't. he's the leader of the gov't but gov't is policies and laws...not people. what a stupid point.

What was this in reference to? I'd love to read whatever article this person was probably not understanding, or taking out of context.

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

tek79 posted:

What was this in reference to? I'd love to read whatever article this person was probably not understanding, or taking out of context.

That's just how it popped up in my email from a 'friend' of mine who was kicked out of the army before shipping to basic cause he was too fat.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

crime fighting hog posted:

liberals do this with every single pole.

Poland we have wronged ye. (apparently)

Hardcore Phonography
Apr 28, 2004

I have my eye on a suite in Baker Street.

crime fighting hog posted:

That's just how it popped up in my email from a 'friend' of mine who was kicked out of the army before shipping to basic cause he was too fat.

Ah, the Delayed Bariatric Program.

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Hardcore Phonography posted:

Ah, the Delayed Bariatric Program.

It was odd, the day he joined he forwarded me an email telling me the differences between right wingers and left, saying that right wingers enjoy hunting, sports and defending themselves, while leftists enjoyed manicures, poodles and dick.

I told him not to bother, but he said that we had to stop the democrats from ruining the country. This was in 2005ish

Blarghalt
May 19, 2010

I'm guessing he didn't take Obama's election very well.

Capsaicin
Nov 17, 2004

broof roof roof

crime fighting hog posted:

I finally get to contribute:

Got to love the idea that "more and more people don't believe in a christian god... or even a god at all". Wow... more and more huh? 90% believe in some sort of god. the number has fluctuated by only a few percentage points over the course of the nations history...wow so this means by liberal thinking that all of america has turned agnostic... c'mon don't fudge the numbers and make it seem like a small percentage is bigger than it actually is. liberals do this with every single pole. if it changes even 1/2 % point then the whole country is going there way.

seperation of church and state doesn't mean that when u become a president you stop worshiping god. the president is still a person not a gov't. he's the leader of the gov't but gov't is policies and laws...not people. what a stupid point.

The line break made me think the second paragraph was yours and I accidentally reported it for "u"/"you" usage. I'm sorry! :( :ohdear:

Hardcore Phonography
Apr 28, 2004

I have my eye on a suite in Baker Street.

Blarghalt posted:

I'm guessing he didn't take Obama's election very well.

He probably calls every Ding Dong he eats an Obamadong and pretends he's destroying his presidency bite by bite. Only later does he realize the latent homosexual overtone of something called an Obamadong, at which point he cries and has another dozen or so. Because Obamadongs are so delicious and filling.

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Hardcore Phonography posted:

He probably calls every Ding Dong he eats an Obamadong and pretends he's destroying his presidency bite by bite. Only later does he realize the latent homosexual overtone of something called an Obamadong, at which point he cries and has another dozen or so. Because Obamadongs are so delicious and filling.

do they really have these?

Also Capsaicin don't worry about it, it happens.

Hardcore Phonography
Apr 28, 2004

I have my eye on a suite in Baker Street.

crime fighting hog posted:

do they really have these?

Also Capsaicin don't worry about it, it happens.

No god drat it your liberal pedicure mind missed the joke. POODLE!

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Hardcore Phonography posted:

No god drat it your liberal pedicure mind missed the joke. POODLE!

well now I want one.

Boo This Man
Mar 25, 2008

Piell posted:

Tell him to back up the video about five seconds, where the full quote is "Many Americans have Muslims in their families, or have lived in a Muslim majority country - I know, because I am one of them."

Ugh, my father has a huge hard-on for hating Obama. He showed me the clip a few years back that was circulating that Obama admits to being a Muslim.

Some people out there are hellbent to prove that Obama is a Muslim that wasn't born on American soil.

Deuce posted:

Bank account numbers - Not Released
E-mail password - Not released
Penis size - Not released

Sexual Orientation - Not Released
Drug Record - Not Released
Real relationship with Bill Ayers - Not released
Phone Records to 3rd world countries - Not Released
Social Security Number - Not Released.

Boo This Man fucked around with this message at 08:04 on May 27, 2010

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Boo This Man posted:

Sexual Orientation - Not Released
Drug Record - Not Released
Real relationship with Bill Ayers - Not released
Phone Records to 3rd world countries - Not Released
Social Security Number - Not Released.

We're just asking questions.

Dradien
Jun 24, 2005
Ask me about shrimp.
When I asked why Obama is so like hitler, I got this little nugget back.

"I appreciate you asking about it! Thank you! I can see where that would be confusing. That is normally what most people think - it's opposite but you have to look a bit around that. It's not just about the health care...it's about manipulation of a people and a centralization of power.
When Hilter was younger, he was considered a brilliant, charismatic rising star with innovative ideas to improve Germany's strength as a nation. Correlation #1 - Mr Obama is younger, attractive and very charismatic and his speeches have made him become the "One" - his promises of hope and change inspired those that had lost hope. (Just like Hitler)
#2 - Hitler targeted the youth as his primary audience - if he could "educate" them, he could control them under the guise of teaching them to be stronger for the future; however, the education, was indoctrination instead of true education. Mr. Obama has done the same, doing video conferences to the public schools all over the US; children being taught to sing his praises in their music classes; children being told that a picture of Obama is patriotic, but one of the American flag is offensive; targeting the impressionable youth of our country and telling them to good patriots. He has also put people in charge of education that wish to control/limit what is being taught (revisionist history).
#3 – Hitler seized control of all the civilian arms corporations and put them under the control of his “Armament Minister’s”. Mr. Obama seized control of General Motors and fired their executives. Which is not allowed under the constitution.
#4 – Hitler is an avowed Marxist. Several of his cabinet members and appointed “czars” are Marxists. Marxism is a philosophy of centralized control VERY similar to communism. The government is in complete control. Here’s an example – While Hitler had his “ministers”, Mr. Obama has his “czars”. The government body has recently been described as “overinflated” as a result of all these unconstitutional additions to the government. Another example, Mr. Obama promises more jobs….but there have been none. As a result, people are on unemployment. Mr. Obama continues to allow unemployment extensions – as long as he does so, people will continue to support him. The threat of having NO income is a great manipulation tool.
#5 – This is where the healthcare comes into play a small amount. If you had the opportunity to read the healthcare bill, there was, in fact, a section dedicated to the determination of a person’s need for healthcare. There is no easy way to explain it here, but what it comes down to is that the bill would allow a panel of people to decide a person’s need for medical care and the cost effectiveness of maintaining their health. Based on the wording, it would seem that those that are less productive in our society will be the ones to suffer (ie:Autistic children, those with mental retardation, those with physical limits, etc). Hitler’s wish to exterminate those that were “imperfect” coincides.
These are just a few of the examples….each in it’s own right is a long story and can be backed by documentation. It most certainly does not give me pleasure to be able to see these similarities. I too was hoping for a positive change. See, I’m one of those odd-ball individuals that is neither a Dem nor a Republican….both have their flaws, and I don’t feel someone should limit themselves to one generic opinion. I am a concerned American. If Mr. Obama would prove me wrong I would be ecstatic! In the meantime, I watch, I read and I prepare for the uncertain future.
I hope this answered at least part of your question! I don’t mind answering them….wish more people would ask questions (on both sides) instead of yelling, arguing and insulting (I’ll admit I’ve done my share out of frustration); but to me, that seems so unproductive. "

It made me laugh pretty hard for a while. Some people are so drat disillusioned. I have a rebuttal written up if anyone wants to read it, I'll post it.

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euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Dradien posted:


#4 – Hitler is an avowed Marxist.

:aaaaa:

Ho can they be so wrong and still breathe?

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