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Less than a minute of Google searches has revealed to me that the reasons for folding the flag 13 times, as described by this email, are false (at least originally), and that 1+7+7+6 = 21 gun salute is a myth. This email is lying on behalf of ten's of thousands of dead troops, and arguably the Lord God Himself. Roy Ransom deserves his own corner in hell for this.
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Gropiemon posted:stuff Also, with regards to this Arizona policy, I don't deal with emails so much as I do my actual family talking about it. Whenever it's brought up, they always say such gems as "we should make the governer of Arizona our president" and such whimsical sayings. Recently, my brother got pulled over without a license, and was fined and sent on his way. I commented that it was humorous that if he had a darker skin color, in AZ he could have been taken in for questioning and whatever else they do. I learned that apparently she is in favor of this policy, because, while it's not a perfect solution, it's "a step in the right direction at least". I tried explaining to her that it is still by definition a racist policy, but my protests fell on deaf ears. Anyone who has experience in debating this have any ideas to convince her? She's normally a pretty rational person and will concede if the argument is strong enough, but I don't know enough about the situation to develop any really well-formulated arguments beyond "it's completely racist" (which really should be enough...) Edit: also, I was told that I was "too politically correct to see the issue". I guess political correctness == being against racial profiling v  v
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Jun 16, 2010 20:35
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quote:Those who think that America is an arrogant nation should really reconsider that thought. Our founding fathers used GOD's word and teachings to establish our Great Nation... We aren't arrogant, it's just that our founders had exclusive access to the one true G-d and now you have to do what we say.
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Jun 16, 2010 23:51
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Intel&Sebastian posted:We aren't arrogant, it's just that our founders had exclusive access to the one true G-d and now you have to do what we say. And in a similar note, the rest of the world is just jealous of our wealth. They can't be like us so they want to bring us down to their level. 
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Jun 17, 2010 04:11
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Deuce posted:And in a similar note, the rest of the world is just jealous of our wealth. They can't be like us so they want to bring us down to their level. WHY ARE WE CURSED WITH SUCH GREATNESS?! *stuffs big mac into maw*
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Jun 17, 2010 16:33
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UltraPenguinX posted:WHY ARE WE CURSED WITH SUCH GREATNESS?! *stuffs big mac into maw* It's our guns. They bring freedom. Someone showed me a "scientific" study that correlated guns to freedom. You see, Somalia and Iraq and North Korea would be just fine if only they had more guns.
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Jun 17, 2010 18:03
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UltraPenguinX posted:I tried explaining to her that it is still by definition a racist policy, but my protests fell on deaf ears. Anyone who has experience in debating this have any ideas to convince her? She's normally a pretty rational person and will concede if the argument is strong enough, but I don't know enough about the situation to develop any really well-formulated arguments beyond "it's completely racist" (which really should be enough...) The best approach is to attack the fundamental assumption that illegal immigrants are a bad thing and need to be combated. Her support of the law even though it isn't perfect, and her defense of it as a "step in the right direction" seem to imply that she feels that there exists some serious harm from the appearance of illegal immigrants. If you attack that notion then there is no longer a need to support this law, as the potential for harm in its enforcement no longer outweighs the harm it was intended to mitigate (those darn Mexicans!) She's likely to respond with some "BUT THEY BROKE THE LAW" tripe at which point you counter by arguing that the law is neither absolute nor sacred and that she would not support such drastic measures that infringe upon the rights of innocent citizens to combat equally harmless criminals such as Jaywalkers, Mild Speeders, or a man who "cheats" on his taxes. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jun 17, 2010 |
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Jun 17, 2010 18:45
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Deuce posted:It's our guns. They bring freedom. Someone showed me a "scientific" study that correlated guns to freedom. You see, Somalia and Iraq and North Korea would be just fine if only they had more guns. Doesn't Somalia have the highest guns per capita or something? Seems like everyone walks around Mogadishu with an AK-47 at all times.
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"This will take less than thirty seconds to read. An Idea Whose Time Has Come For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn't pay into Social Security, and that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. Most recently they exempted themselves from the requirements of the healthcare reform bill. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite class that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop. This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come. Send this to a minimum of 20 people in your address book, and ask each of them to do likewise. In three days, most people in the United States of America will have the message. This is one proposal that really should be passed around. Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States." You are one of my 20." I'm flattered, really.
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Jun 18, 2010 00:29
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I've noticed a trend where people who claim they don't care about political parties and that we all need to stand together as Americans and all that other jazz tend to be right-wing as all hell.
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Jun 18, 2010 05:19
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Anyone else getting the healthcare.wmv forwarded to them nonstop? I've received it 5 times just today, and 3 more times yesterday. Then again...I work in the construction industry... This is a link to the video that is attached: http://www.newhealthcarebillfacts.com/healthcare-wmv/ The subject of the email is usually "FW: Martin County Florida Hospital; unbelievable!" Also, the emails about how "Obama refuses to wear an American flag pin because he hates America!!!111!" have at least slowed down after his oil spill speech. The construction industry is ground zero for this poo poo.
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Jun 18, 2010 21:37
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Blarghalt posted:I've noticed a trend where people who claim they don't care about political parties and that we all need to stand together as Americans and all that other jazz tend to be right-wing as all hell. I don't blame them, I'd be embarassed as poo poo to be a conservative after the past decade too.
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Jun 18, 2010 23:11
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I got this gem today: "From a teacher in the Nashville area "We are worried about 'the cow' when it is all about the 'Ice Cream.' The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade this year... The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest. I decided we would have an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote. To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members. We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot. The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia's mother. The day arrived when they were to make their speeches. Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Everyone applauded and he sat down. Now is was Olivia's turn to speak. Her speech was concise. She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream." She sat down. The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want ice cream." She surely would say more. She did not have to. A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream?She wasn't sure. Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it. She didn't know. The class really didn't care. All they were thinking about was ice cream. Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a landslide. Every time Barack Obama opened his mouth he offered ice cream and 52 percent of the people reacted like nine year olds. They want ice cream. The other 48 percent know they're going to have to feed the cow and clean up the mess. This is the ice cream Obama promised us! (Cue a picture of a farmer using cow poop as an ice cream cone here) Remember, the government cannot give anything to anyone -- that they have not first taken away from someone else. Did you vote for the ice cream?" Kill me.
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Jun 19, 2010 06:53
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I loving love ice cream.
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Jun 19, 2010 06:56
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gently caress CLEAN WATER!
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Jun 19, 2010 08:44
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quote:From a teacher in the San Francisco area Wow, this is easy, we should do it more often. (Okay, the phrase "tax cuts" doesn't really fit into the whole analogy...)
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Jun 19, 2010 09:52
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You could make it simpler than that. Olivia said, "I will give you tax cuts." The kids went wild. Jaime was forgotten. The next day, the kids showed up and the school was closed because there were no funds to support it anymore.
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Jun 19, 2010 15:59
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The school became privatized and only rich White kids could attend it.
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Choadmaster posted:Wow, this is easy, we should do it more often. (Okay, the phrase "tax cuts" doesn't really fit into the whole analogy...) Maybe Free lunch to fit the school analogy? Oh wait drat illegals destroyin' are country get that anyway. poo poo.
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Jun 19, 2010 20:27
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Themagicmoogle's inbox posted:Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. A better analogy to the '08 election: Jamie went first. Since he already had the 'dumb and racist kids' demographic locked in by simple party affiliation, he told the rest of the kids how much of a maverick he was, and wouldn't gently caress up the classroom as bad as the last guy did, despite being no different in his proposed ideas. He could tell that he was still a bit behind Olivia, so he asked Sarah, the prettiest but also the stupidest girl in the class, to stand next to him. He ended by promising to do his very best. I tried.
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Hunting out in the wild, I spotted a breeding ground of crazy political e-mails. Here, in this nest, you can see how they are born.quote:Do you think that the Oil Spill in the gulf was an accident? Some say that the agenda of Obama administration is Depopulation. Do you think it is kind of strange that the "so-called accident" happened right before the summer season started? And why such a slow and fruitless response by the U.S. Government? Do you know ...that the oil and toxic dispersents will kill all life in the ocean for decades and that Al-Qaeda itself could not have planned or carried out a better toxic attack on the United States than BP. Billions have been spent on this War on Terror, and the worst attack is by The U.S governments best friends, the oil tycoons. All soldiers should be protecting our borders from this toxic death, but yet, none are. This only supports the idea that this toxic spill was deliberate and is yet another blow to the U.S. dollar and American economy. Sure this was an accident, just like September 11th, 2001 wasn't a satanic ritual to welcome the anit-christ. Here's some footage of the explosions as Bush and his Skull n Bones friends deliberately demolished and imploded the Twin Towers. DEEP HORIZON WAS AN INSIDE JOB! DEEP HORIZON WAS AN INSIDE JOB! Also our soldiers should be protecting our beaches from oil. And that's just one post on a whole page of crazy. quote:I knew a man who survived in German's death camps, and who came over here. I talked to him about it the other day and he said that although Hitler was horrible, he at least wasn't black. chesh fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jun 19, 2010 |
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Jun 19, 2010 22:31
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chesh posted:
"He was an SS officer supervising the work there, and only barely made it to America. But he wasn't a Nazi!"
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chesh posted:Also our soldiers should be protecting our beaches from oil. And that's just one post on a whole page of crazy. GIVE THE ILLEGALS A GUN AND AMMO AND MAKE THEM FIGHT THE OIL. IF THEY COME BACK, LET THEM BE CITIZENS
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quote:“These guys are MORONS,” a reader writes, agreeing with the gentleman who wrote in yesterday about Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and their challenge to fellow billionaires to pledge half their assets to charity. Assorted reader comments that were included in some relatively crappy(as in worse than other financial newsletters) financial newsletter I get. The first half of the newsletter is completely devoted to selling gold too of course. Best one by far: quote:
How could they be so deluded?
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Jun 19, 2010 23:11
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Despite living in Omaha I don't know much about Warren Buffet, though I met him briefly once at a health rally with Ben Nelson. He's held pretty highly around here, appearing on billboards and everything. I find it hard to believe he's a conniving rear end in a top hat.
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TE! posted:“Maybe the lofty air they’ve been breathing at the top of the financial ladder all these years has addled their brains. I get nauseous every time I see Buffett doing an interview and sucking up to the liberal socialists in the media. But it’s a perfect picture of what’s wrong with America today. They’ve forgotten what made them great in the first place -- hard work, great ideas and invested capital.” It's almost as if they have a different perception of what made them so rich. That's wrong though since we all know the true reason - hard work! They must have forgotten. Must be weird waking up one day with 80 billion and not remember how you got them. 
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Hopefully this hasn't been posted. See if you can find anything wrong with this:quote:Subject: Fw: JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL
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Jun 19, 2010 23:48
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Wow. Giving money to the worst off group of people on the planet makes these douchebags SO ANGRY. Rich white men giving money for problems in AFRICA? There aren't white people over there!! Deuce fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jun 20, 2010 |
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Jun 20, 2010 00:04
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quote:Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00. Jose Illegal sustains catastrophic injuries on his construction job: he and his family pay tens of thousands of dollars out of their own pocket for his medical treatment. Also, if illegal immigrants really have it so great, why don't all the Joe Legals try living off the grid, too?
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The Ugly Duchess posted:Also, if illegal immigrants really have it so great, why don't all the Joe Legals try living off the grid, too?
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The Ugly Duchess posted:Jose Illegal sustains catastrophic injuries on his construction job: he and his family pay tens of thousands of dollars out of their own pocket for his medical treatment. That's not the insurance the email writer is talking about. He clearly delineated that "Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for His family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00." This is a different type of insurance, possibly car, possibly bribes to the Illegal Mexican mafia to keep Jose Illegal from stealing his job. It should be noted Jose illegal is almost certainly a part of the famous illegal crime family, while Joe legal is very possibly mentally retarded since he's overpaying his income taxes by close to double. We can pretend it means sales tax too, but how is Jose illegal avoiding those? What a dipshit. I'm so glad Jose Illegal is using his ACORN connections to illegally vote against Joe Legal's candidate and so cancels out that loving morons vote. Edit// This is embarrassing. While mocking this moron who wrote this email I failed to consider that their math might be off in obvious ways. For example, somehow Joe Moron is paying a tax rate of 40%. 31k and change is 40 % of 52k not 30%. The extra 12 thousand dollars Joe moron is paying in taxes over the actual rate might help explain, ignoring all the other brutal factual errors in the piece, why he's having so much trouble making ends meet. farraday fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Jun 20, 2010 |
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Jun 20, 2010 01:23
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Doomclown posted:Because they're not filthy socialists. But why would an anti-socialist want to pay taxes?  Also, thank you farraday for clarifying. 
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Jun 20, 2010 01:26
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How would it even be possible to get free medical insurance for yourself and family without an SSN or anything? (I am not American so I don't know but it seems highly implausible).
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MOLLUSC posted:How would it even be possible to get free medical insurance for yourself and family without an SSN or anything? (I am not American so I don't know but it seems highly implausible). Well one way is to never seek medical care unless you are dying of something or severely ill, then you go to your local ER and get treatment (they do have to treat you but you will get billed), then the hospitals and doctors will send you a bill which you presumably don't pay, being dirt poor and all, so you have horrible credit and are bankrupt. But of course this means that you don't get any kind of regular care or get proper diagnosis for things like high blood pressure or diabetes, you only show up when you are in extremis from the heart disease or kidney failure from those things come into play. And those nagging pains that might be cancer? I guess it'll either get better or worse and you'll find out eventually. I don't think there's any mechanism to apply for things like Medicare or Medicaid without some kind of legit U.S. identification. So the business about Jose being completely insured so he can go to clinics and pharmacies etc. is a farce.
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Assuming that Joe Legal has a stay at home wife and only 2 children it seems like he'd be paying a very very small amount of Federal taxes. I didn't double check my work but on a quick run through an online calculator it looks like Joe Legal is only going to owe 250 bucks at the end of the year. Joe Legal needs to fire his accountant.
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MOLLUSC posted:How would it even be possible to get free medical insurance for yourself and family without an SSN or anything? (I am not American so I don't know but it seems highly implausible). Easy: you get a fake Social Security card! The problem with that is that if you get a real job with your fake SSN, a portion of your salary goes to Social Security and you can never touch that money. (I guess you could say that at least some illegal immigrants do pay taxes after all. )
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Maybe not a chain letter, but this is neat: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...lient=firefox-a Now look up the news story on the actual fox site.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Assuming that Joe Legal has a stay at home wife and only 2 children it seems like he'd be paying a very very small amount of Federal taxes. I didn't double check my work but on a quick run through an online calculator it looks like Joe Legal is only going to owe 250 bucks at the end of the year.
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pillsburysoldier posted:Maybe not a chain letter, but this is neat: ...it doesn't appear to be on the actual site?  edit: found it under a totally different title. Deuce fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jun 20, 2010 |
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Doomclown posted:Well there are also sales taxes, payroll taxes, fuel taxes, and so on, although that still probably doesn't add up to What a lot of people can never understand for some reason is if you're in the 30% tax bracket, you don't pay 30% on all let's say $50,000. You pay 10% on x amount up to y amount and so on.
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