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UltraPenguinX posted:
Conservatives think they know what is best for everyone - check
Conservatives aren't happy till they are running YOUR life - check
Ironically this is basically the antithesis of conservative theory.
You wouldn't know it now though!
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ManoliIsFat posted:
I really don't think that's true. Everyone's got a stereotype of a Mexican strawberry picker making $2 and hour, but I'm pretty even those jobs are over minimum wage. Employers work them an illegal amount of hours and days, but we have to be talking about the reality of their hardship, not some caricature. I'm not in school anymore, so I can't do a quick search myself, but I can't imagine there's not a bunch of studies on this.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were paying the old federal minimum wage ($5.15 an hour) instead of the new one ($7.25 an hour) though.
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ManoliIsFat posted:
I really don't think that's true. Everyone's got a stereotype of a Mexican strawberry picker making $2 and hour, but I'm pretty even those jobs are over minimum wage. Employers work them an illegal amount of hours and days, but we have to be talking about the reality of their hardship, not some caricature. I'm not in school anymore, so I can't do a quick search myself, but I can't imagine there's not a bunch of studies on this.
Why would an employer pay one cent more than the minimum required to keep the workers coming over? Is it likely that such a wage is above the Federal minimum? If so, what is the point of a minimum wage at all?
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Mornacale posted:
Why would an employer pay one cent more than the minimum required to keep the workers coming over? Is it likely that such a wage is above the Federal minimum? If so, what is the point of a minimum wage at all?
It's cheaper to hire workers under the table at $10/hr than legally at minimum wage. For harvesting in particular, it can be cheaper to offer more money and not risk not having enough employees to get the whole crop in on time.
That so many companies pay above minimum wage isn't an indicator that we don't need minimum wage. Most fast food places start at minimum wage, mcdonalds starts $2/hr higher. This makes their jobs desirable and means they get the best of the applicants to choose from. If minimum wage were lower, they'd pay $2/hr above that and get the same benefit. Minimum wage props up wages across the board by creating a base line. It's the labor version of a rising tide lifting all ships.
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Mornacale posted:
Why would an employer pay one cent more than the minimum required to keep the workers coming over? Is it likely that such a wage is above the Federal minimum? If so, what is the point of a minimum wage at all?
Because illegal labor is subject to some market demands. No one's gonna bust their balls for $1 a day. But I'm sure I remember wages around $10-$15 an hour for picking, I'll have to confirm that. But they cut corners with making people work in unsafe conditions, illegal hours/lack of breaks, etc.
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I did not consider the fact that employers will pay a premium to avoid taxes and safety regulations. I can therefore see the possibility of a greater-than-minimum wage being offered. I still rather suspect that such a wage is rare, but at this point we're basically at an impasse until someone comes up with actual data.
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I don't know where the article is. But I remember an interview with an orange grower in Florida saying that he would pay anyone $15 an hour and give them free room and board to pick the oranges.
He would never get anyone but illegals to take the job.
I am guess that is very seasonal work, and the room and board is not the best, but still.
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- RagnarokAngel
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quote:
Rahm Emanuel cynically said, "You never want a crisis to go to waste." It is now becoming clear that the crisis he was referring to is Barack Obama's presidency.
Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.
Barack Obama is my college classmate (Columbia University, class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.
-- Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?
-- Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."
-- Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.
-- Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.
-- Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America. The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.
-- Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.
With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.
Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama.
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Also a fan of this one:
quote:Blacks Don't Read
This is very deep, and unfortunately, very true!
This is a heavvvvy piece and a Caucasian wrote it.
THEY ARE STILL OUR SLAVES
We can continue to reap profits from the Blacks without the effort of physical slavery. Look at the current methods of containment that they use on themselves: IGNORANCE, GREED, and SELFISHNESS.
Their IGNORANCE is the primary weapon of containment. A great man once said, "The best way to hide something from Black people is to put it in a book." We live now in the Information Age. They have gained the opportunity to read any book on any subject through the efforts of their fight for freedom, yet they refuse to read.
There are numerous books readily available at Borders, Barnes & Noble, and Amazon.com, not to mention their own Black Bookstores that provide solid blueprints to reach economic equality (which should have been their fight all along), but few read consistently, if at all.
GREED is another powerful weapon of containment. Blacks, since the abolition of slavery, have had large amounts of money at their disposal. Last year they spent 10 billion dollars during Christmas, out of their 450 billion dollars in total yearly income (2.22%). Any of us can use them as our target market, for any business venture we care to dream up, no matter how outlandish, they will buy into it. Being primarily a consumer people, they function totally by greed. They continually want more, with little thought for saving or investing. They would rather buy some new sneaker than invest in starting a business. Some even neglect their children to have the latest Tommy or FUBU. And they still think that having a Mercedes, and a big house gives the "Status" or that they have achieved the American Dream.
They are fools! The vast majority of their people are still in poverty because their greed holds them back from collectively making better communities. With the help of BET, and the rest of their black media that often broadcasts destructive images into their own homes, we will continue to see huge profits like those of Tommy and Nike. (Tommy Hilfiger has even jeered them, saying he doesn't want their money, and look at how the fools spend more with him than ever before!). They'll continue to show off to each other while we build solid communities with the profits from our businesses that we market to them.
SELFISHNESS, ingrained in their minds through slavery, is one of the major ways we can continue to contain them. One of their own, Dubois said that there was an innate division in their culture. A "Talented Tenth" he called it. He was correct in his deduction that there are segments of their culture that has achieved some "form" of success. However, that segment missed the fullness of his work. They didn't read that the "Talented Tenth" was then responsible to aid the Non-Talented Ninety Percent in achieving a better life. Instead, that segment has created another class, a Buppie class that looks down on their people or aids them in a condescending manner. They will never achieve what we have. Their selfishness does not allow them to be able to work together on any project or endeavor of substance. When they do get together, their selfishness lets their egos get in the way of the goal. Their so-called help organizations seem to only want to promote their name without making any real change in their community. They are content to sit in conferences and conventions in our hotels, and talk about what they will do, while they award plaques to the best speakers, not the best doers. Is there no end to their selfishness? They steadfastly refuse to see that "TOGETHER EACH ACHIEVES MORE (TEAM)! They do not understand that they are no better than each other because of what they own. In fact, most of those Buppies are but one or two paychecks away from poverty. All of which is under the control of our pens in our offices and our boardrooms.
Yes, will continue to contain them as long as they refuse to read, continue to buy anything they want, and keep thinking they are "helping" their communities by paying dues to organizations which do little other than hold lavish conventions in our hotels.
By the way, don't worry about any of them reading this letter, remember,
'THEY DON'T READ!!!!'
(Prove them wrong. Please pass this on!)
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RagnarokAngel posted:
Not racist.
Out of all of these, this one actually hurts my head. I know it's ripping of Chris Rock at the beginning, but holy poo poo.
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muscles like this? posted:
Man, what's with the odd "gently caress you Puerto Rico" message in there?
Just another nugget of ignorance. We already send tons of money to Puerto Rico.
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quote:and a Caucasian wrote it.
I had to reread this part to make sure I hadn't stumbled upon the intro to Bill Cosby's new book!
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Neckbeard v. 2.0 posted:
Just another nugget of ignorance. We already send tons of money to Puerto Rico.
Seriously, we already pay tons of money to them, yet they don't pay into the system at all as they're not a state, right? Wouldn't we spend LESS money on them if they were made a state? I remember when they were voting for statehood, and the PR's overwhelmingly voted against it, as they'd have to pay state taxes, Federal taxes, etc.
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Thenipwax posted:Seriously, we already pay tons of money to them, yet they don't pay into the system at all as they're not a state, right? Wouldn't we spend LESS money on them if they were made a state? I remember when they were voting for statehood, and the PR's overwhelmingly voted against it, as they'd have to pay state taxes, Federal taxes, etc. handbags at dawn fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jun 24, 2010
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handbags at dawn posted:
They already pay income taxes to their government, they pay federal payroll taxes. Federal income tax is the only tax they don't pay.
That's a pretty significant tax they're not paying though.
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RagnarokAngel posted:
Also a fan of this one:
Not racist.
My brain really really wants to think that this is a troll written by a black person to try to be so outlandishly offensive that other black people will take more interest in academics and public service.
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Obama's classmate comes out to call him a socialist:
quote:WAYNE ALLYN ROOT: Overwhelm the system
Barach Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.
Barack Obama is my college classmate ( Columbia University , class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University . They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.
-- Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?
-- Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."
-- Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.
-- Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America . But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.
-- Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America . The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.
-- Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.
With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.
Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama using the Cloward and Piven Plan.
EDIT: gently caress, didn't see this same one earlier this page.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:
Wait, I thought the story was that they couldn't find a single person who went to school with Obama and that some people suspect that his credentials are all completely fake.
The story changes from time to time depending on how much outrage it causes.
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If you read what conservatives say on sites like twitter, you can see all of their fears projected on Obama. He is all possible enemies to the American way of life. A communist, liberal, fascist. An unintelligent, incompetent, evil genius. Secret muslim, Maoist, totalitarian, wimp. Simultaneously a complete idiot and a criminal mastermind who managed to hide the fact that he is not American by birth.
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Doublethink is the key skill of the modern conservative.
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MOLLUSC posted:
If you read what conservatives say on sites like twitter, you can see all of their fears projected on Obama. He is all possible enemies to the American way of life. A communist, liberal, fascist. An unintelligent, incompetent, evil genius. Secret muslim, Maoist, totalitarian, wimp. Simultaneously a complete idiot and a criminal mastermind who managed to hide the fact that he is not American by birth.
And at the same time that these people claim that the government can't do anything right they believe the government is secretly capable of getting away with this.
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Someone must be trolling me and signed me up for a stupid mailing list:
quote:Dems VOTE TODAY To Outlaw Free Speech & Guns
ALERT: The House Rules Committee on Wednesday is expected to consider the Disclose Act and the chamber could vote on the bill as early as Thursday and Democrat leadership is confident they will have the votes to pass it, according to a House aide.
FAXES NEEDED TODAY SPEAK NOW OR NEVER!
Fax Now Tell Congress You Have The Right To Be Heard
Select Here - FAX All Congressmen - Vote No To The Disclose Act!
Liberals are turning America into a Police State. Their new anti-freedom "Disclose" Act will take away your right to criticize government and order a gag on organizations like CCRKBA. We are in a political war and the Dem's are doing everything they can to sneak this act past the American people and turn our country in a total dictatorship.
This act was designed to overturn the recent Supreme Court decision that restored rights to CCRKBA to criticize an elected official during a campaign. The Disclose Act will destroy member driven organizations that have acted in good faith and require them to publicly register members. Now we need to register to voice our opinion? We all know the dangers of being registered-it's one more step towards total gun confiscation.
This week's highly-publicized effort to exempt the National Rifle Association from the effects of the "Disclose Act," H.R. 5175 shows how fundamentally bankrupt the legislation and its underlying philosophy is.
The attempt by Democrats to essentially buy off the NRA with a tailor-made exemption should be proof enough that the entire measure is morally, if not legally, repugnant and should be rejected by Congress. The exemption clause, if it were to be formally adopted as an amendment to the bill, is probably unconstitutional. We think that is reason enough for Congress to stop H.R. 5175 in its tracks.
Fax Now Tell Congress You Have The Right To Be Heard
Select Here - FAX All Congressmen - Vote No To The Disclose Act!
Get Your Sticker - STOP the Disclose Act - Fax Congress and Tell Obama to Keep the "Change"
The proposed exemption would only apply to the NRA, while essentially sacrificing the First Amendment rights of other effective grassroots gun rights organizations due to their smaller membership numbers.
This proposed exemption is unconscionable but it reveals the desperation of its sponsors to pass legislation that would still silence organizations critical of how the Democrat leadership has mismanaged things on Capitol Hill. We are today urging our 650,000 members and supporters to tell their congressional representatives to derail the Disclose Act altogether.
Congressional anti-gunners like nothing better than to drive wedges between effective gun rights organizations and this week's events prove they can still accomplish that. We are astonished that anybody on Capitol Hill would imagine for a heartbeat that they could buy off one gun rights group at the expense of all the others. To think they could actually get away with such smarmy Chicago-style politics suggests that the Democrat leadership in Congress has not only lost its moral compass, they've lost their minds.
While it is disappointing that the NRA might have accepted the exemption it is despicable that the offer was ever made in the first place. If pro-gun Democrats want to shield the NRA from the effects of H.R. 5175, they should simply vote against the entire bill instead of trying to carve out a special exemption. They have insulted and infuriated millions of gun owners who are represented by smaller grassroots organizations, and they need to hear that loud and clear.
MAKE WASHINGTON LISTENS LOUD AND CLEAR:
Tell Congress to VOTE NO TO The Disclose Act!
Select Here - FAX All Congressmen - Vote No To The Disclose Act!
Keep calling your Senators today, toll free numbers include 1-877-851-6437 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 1-877-851-6437 end_of_the_skype_highlighting and 1-866-220-0044, or call toll 1-202-225-3121 AND REGISTER YOU'RE OUTRAGE at ongoing efforts to take guns and free speech away!
CALL PRESIDENT Obama, 202-456-1111 and 202-456-1414 expressing your disdain and ABSOLUTE REJECTION of all censorship and GUN BANS.
DO NOT BE SILENCED - MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD!
NOTE: We need TENS OF THOUSANDS of faxes and PHONE CALLS and EMAILS delivered to ALL Senators right away!
For our projects to be successful, we must count on the voluntary financial support from individuals like you who care.
Your contribution of $20 or $25 is urgently needed today. If you can afford to send $50 or $100 or more it would truly be a godsend.
SELECT HERE TO DONATE NOW
The rights you save may be your own!
Remember, protecting our freedom is not inexpensive.
But then, it's impossible to put a price tag on freedom.
Together, we can preserve the Constitutional rights our Founding Fathers intended our people to have forever.
For more information about CCRKBA go to http://www.ccrkba.org
Thank you. I know I can count on you.
Sincerely,
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It's all over now!
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colonel...
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quote:
This week's highly-publicized effort to exempt the National Rifle Association from the effects of the "Disclose Act," H.R. 5175 shows how fundamentally bankrupt the legislation and its underlying philosophy is.
The attempt by Democrats to essentially buy off the NRA with a tailor-made exemption should be proof enough that the entire measure is morally, if not legally, repugnant and should be rejected by Congress. The exemption clause, if it were to be formally adopted as an amendment to the bill, is probably unconstitutional. We think that is reason enough for Congress to stop H.R. 5175 in its tracks.
So even the act of kneeling down and kissing the NRA's ring is proof that democrats are trying to take away your guns.
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MOLLUSC posted:
If you read what conservatives say on sites like twitter, you can see all of their fears projected on Obama. He is all possible enemies to the American way of life. A communist, liberal, fascist. An unintelligent, incompetent, evil genius. Secret muslim, Maoist, totalitarian, wimp. Simultaneously a complete idiot and a criminal mastermind who managed to hide the fact that he is not American by birth.
The converse is how everything possible that is good is projected onto Reagan (and now Palin). He is Santa Claus, Audie Murphy, King Arthur, Roger Staubach, General Robert E. Lee and the Easter Bunny all at once.
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- Heck Yes! Loam!
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a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
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Zwabu posted:
The converse is how everything possible that is good is projected onto Reagan (and now Palin). He is Santa Claus
I know I am cutting your quote short, but there is an entire political theory based around santa clause that the GOP follows to to the letter. you should up on it because it actually explains why they act the way they do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_Wanniski
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/01/26-0
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- Slaan
- Mar 16, 2009
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ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
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MOLLUSC posted:
If you read what conservatives say on sites like twitter, you can see all of their fears projected on Obama. He is all possible enemies to the American way of life. A communist, liberal, fascist. An unintelligent, incompetent, evil genius. Secret muslim, Maoist, totalitarian, wimp. Simultaneously a complete idiot and a criminal mastermind who managed to hide the fact that he is not American by birth.
Nah, he can't be an evil, criminal mastermind. He doesn't have a goatee and/or hitler 'stach.
Unless...
My God! Obama is black. Obama has black hair. The evil facial hair blends into his skin color, hiding it in plain site. Only a dastardly, evil genius like Barack Obama could think of being born black!
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Jun 25, 2010 05:10
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- crime fighting hog
- Jun 29, 2006
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I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out
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Just got this
Curb Rampant Welfare Spending
To Ease Budget Crisis, Think Tank Urges
Heritage Report: New Behavior, Not $10 Trillion, Counters Poverty
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Over $10 trillion in welfare spending will drive the nation to bankruptcy unless Congress puts on the brakes and passes reforms that hold increases to inflation, tie government assistance to work and encourage other responsible behavior, a new report from The Heritage Foundation concludes.
“Careful policy reforms focused on fiscal restraint, strong work requirements, the promotion of marriage and personal responsibility can transform the federal welfare system,” the report states, “reducing dependence on government and increasing the well-being of families and children.”
The Heritage study, co-authored by welfare experts Robert Rector and Katherine (Kiki) Bradley, arrives as President Obama and congressional leaders seek to push through $2.5 billion more in “emergency” welfare spending.
Using the recession as cover, liberals continue to undo the welfare reforms – including work requirements for able-bodied adults – passed by Congress in 1996 and signed into law by President Clinton. Taxpayers would be better served if lawmakers instead looked to common-sense controls on the nation’s six dozen welfare programs as part of the solution to runaway federal spending and resulting budget crisis, Heritage argues.
Welfare spending totals $953 billion in Obama’s fiscal 2011 budget request – a jump of 42 percent from fiscal 2008, the final complete budget year of George W. Bush’s presidency. The Obama administration plans to spend more than $10.3 trillion on means-tested welfare – or about $100,000 for everyone in the poorest third of the population.
Rather than continue to allow unrestrained growth in the more than 70 anti-poverty programs, Bradley and Rector recommend that, once the current recession ends, Congress should roll back welfare spending to pre-recession levels and limit future increases to the rate of inflation. This cap would save $1.4 trillion in 10 years.
Today only one welfare program, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), effectively promotes self-reliance. Reforms that created TANF in 1996 – largely inspired by Rector’s research and writing for Heritage – moved 2.8 million families off the welfare rolls and into jobs. Those gains are being reversed as the Obama administration and congressional leadership undo the signature employment and training requirements enacted 14 years ago.
“Regrettably,” Rector and Bradley write, “no other federal welfare programs have been reformed along similar lines. The TANF reform could serve as a partial model of reform for other programs for the poor.
“As government spending on means-tested welfare approaches $1 trillion per year, it is time to reboot the other poverty programs to control costs and promote greater self-reliance. In addition, efforts to rebuild marriage in low-income communities would improve the well-being of children, parents and the communities as a whole.”
Rector, a leading authority on poverty, the welfare system and immigration, is Heritage’s senior research fellow in domestic policy studies. National Review dubbed Rector the “intellectual godfather” of welfare reform for his influential work in the 1990s.
Bradley, a visiting fellow on family and societal issues in Heritage’s DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society, knows the welfare system from the inside: She oversaw TANF in 2007-2008 as an official in the Department of Health and Human Services.
Their paper, “Confronting the Unsustainable Growth of Welfare Entitlements: Principles of Reform and the Next Steps,” includes 10 charts tracking the nearly unrestrained growth of the welfare state since the mid-1960s. The charts help illustrate how welfare itself, far from “curing poverty” in America as President Lyndon B. Johnson envisioned in 1964, has become an underlying cause of poverty.
Government now spends 13 times more on welfare, adjusting for inflation, than when LBJ declared the nation’s War on Poverty some 45 years ago. Welfare is the fastest-growing portion of government spending, nearly quadrupling from fiscal 1979 to fiscal 2008 – when benefits per poor person amounted to about $16,800.
“The continuing rapid growth of welfare spending is unsustainable. The U.S. can no longer afford the automatic and unlimited growth of welfare entitlements,” Bradley and Rector conclude. “Government policy should encourage constructive behaviors leading to self-reliance and prosperity rather than rewarding counterproductive behaviors leading to costly dependence and poverty.”
In the Heritage report, Bradley and Rector lay out five principles for new reforms:
* Roll back welfare spending to pre-recession levels once the recession ends, then limit increases to inflation. As government budget deficits push America to the brink of bankruptcy, slowing growth of the welfare state is critical.
* Require able-bodied individuals to work, or prepare for work, at least 30 hours a week as a condition of receiving food stamps (under Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP) or housing assistance (under two Public Housing funds and two Section 8 programs, Project-Based Housing and Housing Choice Vouchers). The change would promote personal responsibility by aligning the food and housing assistance with 1996 reforms to the largest cash program, TANF.
* Put some welfare in the form of loans that able-bodied adults would be expected to pay back in part to the taxpayer. The change would contain costs while reducing the “moral hazard” created when government checks with no strings attached encourage the sort of irresponsible behavior that may have prompted a need for assistance in the first place.
* End “marriage penalties” and encourage marriage in poor neighborhoods. Now, means-tested programs cut assistance for low-income Americans if they get married. Government should publicize the facts on how marriage prevents social ills – poverty, poor education, juvenile crime – associated with children born to unmarried women. (This ever-rising “unwed birth rate” has reached four of every 10 babies, and seven of 10 among blacks, in 2008.)
* Reduce the legal influx of low-skill immigrants, instead preferring those who will pay more in taxes than they get in benefits, and reject blanket amnesty or “earned citizenship” for millions of illegal immigrants who then could access the welfare system.
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Jun 25, 2010 05:51
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- Armyman25
- Sep 6, 2005
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If we're experiencing 10-20% unemployment, where are all these able bodied supposed to work? At all the jobs that are going unfilled in the ghetto?
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Jun 25, 2010 10:34
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- Absurd Alhazred
- Mar 27, 2010
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by Athanatos
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Armyman25 posted:
If we're experiencing 10-20% unemployment, where are all these able bodied supposed to work? At all the jobs that are going unfilled in the ghetto?
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Jun 25, 2010 10:54
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- yatagan
- Aug 31, 2009
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by Ozma
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Armyman25 posted:
If we're experiencing 10-20% unemployment, where are all these able bodied supposed to work? At all the jobs that are going unfilled in the ghetto?
That's ridiculous, we have a perfectly profitable prison system.
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Jun 25, 2010 11:05
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- the yellow dart
- Jul 19, 2004
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King of rings, armlocks, hugs, and our hearts
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To be fair, the study does mention that these should be enacted after the recession ends, but I also disagree with it.
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Jun 25, 2010 13:00
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- euphronius
- Feb 18, 2009
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Requiring mothers to work outside of the house for foodstamps is so evil.
I also love when they say the government could go bankrupt, like that is even a theoretical possibility.
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Jun 25, 2010 13:53
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- Adbot
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Apr 29, 2024 01:51
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- chesh
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That was terrible.
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If only getting any sort of social service assistance was as simple as these people make it out to be. A friend of mine recently lost his job and I was kind of mortified to learn that he can't get unemployment for 5 to 8 weeks after his termination.
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