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bobkatt013 posted:Ya on the Edge DVD they have footage of him winning his first IC title which was at a house show. I thought I remember them saying it was at Shotgun Saturday Night. Maybe I'm thinking of something else. I just seem to remember it looking really crowded around the ring.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:I'm sure this has probably been asked before - but are there cameras present at the house shows (WWE production cameras) and are they filmed? I'd imagine if there were that they'd have a huge backlog of silly poo poo by now that would make a great DVD similar to the bloopers videos that were released in the past. They keep a single video camera pointed at the ring during house shows. This is for insurance purposes, and they started doing this after Droz was paralyzed. So it wouldn't exactly be reference-quality footage that could be released on DVD, but it exists.
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Jul 22, 2010 06:43
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Foley was super-over, and he was the workhorse of the McMahon/Austin/Rock feud. He kept that thing fresh and was the perfect opponent for the Rock, which allowed for the eventual match at wrestlemania, between Austin and Rock, to feel fresh. Looking back, Undertaker seemed to be in a weird transitional period for a while there. He was more of an added attraction, a perennial number-one contender until the Ministry of Darkness formed, and he was brought further into the main storyline of the time by the Ministry's formation, but even then, his opponent at WM that year was Bossman. Soon after, whatever role he had was quickly overshadowed by HHH's heel turn and Mcmahon as the higher power. McMahon was the perfect opposite for Austin and represented everyone's douchebag boss. Without him, Austin's persona takes a huge hit.
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WeaselWeaz posted:Generally no. They take pictures for the website and they do keep a video camera around for if it's needed but they aren't recording every show.
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Jul 22, 2010 06:57
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Ken Shamrock was the most dangerous man in the Attitude Era.
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Why did they hold Wrestlemania 2 at 3 different venues?
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Shitty_Wok posted:Why did they hold Wrestlemania 2 at 3 different venues?
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Shitty_Wok posted:Why did they hold Wrestlemania 2 at 3 different venues? It was something promoters had tried off and on for years, running one event in several cities or coordinating with other promoters (the infamous Inoki/Ali match was part of one of these.) You can either split costs between promoters for one mega event, or in the case of Starrcade 85 or Wrestlemania 2, you can try and collect on several gates rather than just one all the while paying talent for one card.
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Fun fact: the ring announcer for the LA portion of WrestleMania 2 is Lee Marshall. If there's been a more boring wrestling announcer than Lee Marshall, I've yet to hear him.
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Jul 22, 2010 07:23
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Lee Marshall knows how to party though. He also did the voice for Tony the Tiger. He's great
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If you consider the Attitude Era as Wrestlemania 14 - 17 I think it'd go: 1. Stone Cold 2. the Rock 3. Mr. McMahon 4. Mankind 5. Undertaker 6. Kane 7. Triple H 8. New Age Outlaws 9. Big Show / Jericho / Angle / Benoit / Eddie / Chyna / Edge & Christian / Dudleys / Hardy Boys This was supposed to be a Top 10 but I don't think anyone in 9 was consistently more or less over than anyone else.
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Jul 22, 2010 13:06
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I'd think I'd go: 1. Austin 2. Mr. McMahon 3. The Rock 4. Foley 5. Triple H 6. DX 7-9. Edge & Christian/Dudleys/Hardys 10-11. Undertaker/Kane
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Undertaker vs Austin was the highest rated segment on Raw for a long time (maybe it still is?) according to Meltzer. Most people say it's "This is Your Life", but apparently Austin vs Taker was actually higher. Not sure if that helps Takers case at all, or just cements Austin as #1.
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didnt mark henry dq himself against hardy one year at a SS in about 30 seconds?
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I argue Undertaker was bigger than being ranked low 10's. If you talk to anyone who even had an idea of wrestling in the late 90s and say "UNDERTAKER" they almost always certainly know who you mean, and his continued ability to move t-shirts and 7-11 cups presently is a testament to his drawing power. DX as a group was pretty big and definitely had most people talking. I remember in 6th grade it was all crotch chops all day. I'd say probably them after Rock, Austin and Mr. McMahon and Undertaker. 1. Rock/Austin 2. Austin/Rock 3. Mr. McMahon 4. Undertaker 5. DX
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I really think Mick Foley should be in the top 5. 1) The Rock 2) Austin 3) Mick Foley 4) Undertaker 5) DX I'd leave Vince off it, personally, because he wasn't really a wrestler. Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jul 22, 2010 |
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:I really think Mick Foley should be in the top 5. He did win the WWF Title and had a main event match on PPV during this time, you know.
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Rusty Shackelford posted:He did win the WWF Title and had a main event match on PPV during this time, you know. Vince also won the Rumble. And he had 3 main event matches that I can think of (St Valentine's Day Massacre, KOTR & Armageddon 99)
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:I really think Mick Foley should be in the top 5. Vince McMahon was the biggest heel all throughout the Attitude era, and Austin wouldn't have been as popular if he didn't have the evil Mr. McMahon to play off of. Leaving him off would be stupid. He main evented in matches, and was always involved in the main event matches at virtually every PPV. He won a Rumble, won a title. He was definitely more important for the attitude era than Undertaker, Mick Foley, and DX.
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Yeah I'm rewatching 1998 Raw, and it's amazing how inconsequential DX is. HHH has been injured for a lot of the year, the Outlaws putter around in the tag division, Xpac has some low level Euro title feuds. They're mega over, but they live in their little bubble wrestling with the Headbangers and such.
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DX really didn't become relevant until the latter half of 1998 into the early parts of 1999 (until HHH's abortion of a heel turn at WrestleMania XV).
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I could never get into the whole DX thing. At the time I felt like it was just nWo taken to a ridiculous extreme and even at a much younger age the humor felt really forced and childish to me. That being said - Shawn Michaels superkicking his way through the hallway of the backstage area was pretty funny, but I can't be sure that wasn't the new DX incarnation. I saw in on youtube way after the fact.
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I once asked about the relevancy of the Undertaker during the Attitude Era in this thread. I ultimately felt he wasn't that relevant for two reasons: 1. His gimmick became a bit stale because occupation-based and supernatural gimmicks were less acceptable because the audience wasn't mostly children anymore. So, newcomers to the main event overshadowed UT a bit, which led to Bikertaker, which I would call a mixed success. 2. Most of his Attitude Era moments took place outside of matches e.g. sacrificing Austin because I don't think he had that many good-great matches during this time because he wasn't as good a worker as he is now. Sure, he has the first two HIACs, but what else? In fact, I'd argue that HIAC 2 was all Foley, similar to how the WM10 ladder match was all HBK, even though Razor won. But from judging the comments in this thread, maybe my memory needs to be jogged?
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triplexpac posted:Yeah I'm rewatching 1998 Raw, and it's amazing how inconsequential DX is. HHH has been injured for a lot of the year, the Outlaws putter around in the tag division, Xpac has some low level Euro title feuds. They're mega over, but they live in their little bubble wrestling with the Headbangers and such. They started feuding with the Nation pretty quickly after forming, with DX vs the Nation being the major mid card feud of the summer of 98.
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MassRayPer posted:They started feuding with the Nation pretty quickly after forming, with DX vs the Nation being the major mid card feud of the summer of 98.
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Timby posted:DX really didn't become relevant until the latter half of 1998 into the early parts of 1999 (until HHH's abortion of a heel turn at WrestleMania XV). I'd say they didn't become relevant again until the latter half of 1998. They were certainly relevant from the beginning until Shawn retired. Mr. Carlisle posted:That being said - Shawn Michaels superkicking his way through the hallway of the backstage area was pretty funny, but I can't be sure that wasn't the new DX incarnation. I saw in on youtube way after the fact. That's only a couple years old.
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How did Kurt Angle go from this in the WWE: To this in TNA: .jpg) to me they looks very different and while I realize there is ~10 years between the two images. I can;t rack it all up to age. Face the different, gaunter. The eyes look like they've changed color. Kurt Angle died and they replaced him with a doppelganger didn't he?
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Nystral posted:How did Kurt Angle go from this in the WWE: He should have retired due to injury and stress in 2003. He kept working.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:He should have retired due to injury and stress in 2003. He kept working. The same thing happened with Christian and Goldust when they went to TNA. Then they looked 10 years younger when they got back to WWE. TNA is sucking the youth out of the people wrestling there. They use it to keep Dixie Carter young.
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Burrito posted:TNA is sucking the youth out of the people wrestling there. They use it to keep Dixie Carter young. I loving KNEW IT! Ever since the Jeff Hardy pics.
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Nystral posted:How did Kurt Angle go from this in the WWE: Heavy painkiller abuse and heavy alcohol abuse have similar physical symptoms: Bloating followed by a gaunt appearance after a flushing of the system, bags under the eyes, depression (which leads to sleep problems) and the like. Angle doesn't look like he's drinking his calories, which is a positive, but he doesn't look right. Angle was doing his best to kill himself, which is why WWE sent him on his merry way. In TNA, with the hilariously awful drug testing policy, Angle is ... well, he's Angle. Timby fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Jul 23, 2010 |
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Nystral posted:How did Kurt Angle go from this in the WWE: lol he looks exactly the same to me besides looking serious instead of smiling and lost weight
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Look at his cold, dead eyes. The lights are on but no one has been home for a few years now.
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When Sabu came to the WWE and debuted at One Night Stand he had a WHC title shot against Mysterio which ended in a no contest. Has anyone else had a title shot in their debut match and not won the title?
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apsouthern posted:When Sabu came to the WWE and debuted at One Night Stand he had a WHC title shot against Mysterio which ended in a no contest. Has anyone else had a title shot in their debut match and not won the title? Can't remember if it was a title match but Paul London's debut involved him going up against then-champion, Brock Lesnar
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apsouthern posted:When Sabu came to the WWE and debuted at One Night Stand he had a WHC title shot against Mysterio which ended in a no contest. Has anyone else had a title shot in their debut match and not won the title? Recently Kendrick being the mystery opponent for a X-Division title match at a TNA PPV and losing the match.
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apsouthern posted:When Sabu came to the WWE and debuted at One Night Stand he had a WHC title shot against Mysterio which ended in a no contest. Has anyone else had a title shot in their debut match and not won the title? I thought he had his first WWE match on that special WWE vs ECW show on USA? I think he faced Cena. Cena was champ so it had to be before ONS 2006
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apsouthern posted:When Sabu came to the WWE and debuted at One Night Stand he had a WHC title shot against Mysterio which ended in a no contest. Has anyone else had a title shot in their debut match and not won the title? That wasnt his debut  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJYJH2aRgz0
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Burrito posted:The same thing happened with Christian and Goldust when they went to TNA. Then they looked 10 years younger when they got back to WWE. Makeup is a wonderful thing. Top Attitude Era Stars: 1. Steve Austin 2. Vince McMahon (without those two, you have no WWF win over WCW) 3. The Rock 4. Mankind 5. The Undertaker 6. Triple H 7. Shane McMahon 8. Divas 9. D-X 10. Stephanie McMahon
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