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Busket Posket
Feb 5, 2010

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On that note, what's the best rate/MOS for someone who really wants to stop being an encyclopedic nerd? I hear 88M requires minimal brain power...

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Security Forces.

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd
Anything Mx related, but you should just go Ammo and be done with it.

But if you really are serious about the minimal brainpower thing, definitely Security Forces. I saw two trucks running a speed trap tonight on base on the same road 200 yards apart. :wtc:

Quarterly Prophet
Nov 9, 2005

by angerbeet
Whatever the Army food specialist gig is.

Busket Posket
Feb 5, 2010

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I don't mean completely mind-numbing, though the handful of SF I've met so far have been total sperglords and one taught me how to play WH40K...

Though 68R sounds very tempting:

quote:

As an important member of the veterinary servicing team, the Veterinary Food Inspection Specialist, under the direction of a Veterinary Corps Officer, inspects food designed for human consumption, while also supervising food inspection and combined veterinary service activities.

Other Requirements

* Normal color vision required
* Possession of normal olfactory senses (good sense of smell)


I dunno, is it weird to want to go completely and utterly blue collar in the military after being a professional nerdlinger?

thetechnoloser
Feb 11, 2003

Say hello to post-apocalyptic fun!
Grimey Drawer

Regicide posted:

Will negative counsellings, or non-disciplinary flags prevent you from getting the Good conduct medal after 3 years? What exactly are the requirements?

edit: and on that note, do you get the Overseas Service Ribbon along with the Korean Service Defense medal? Or does the latter eliminate the new for the former?

You still get the OSR, but not until completion of your tour. Ref: AR 600-8-22.

You get the KDSM after 90 days BOG.

thetechnoloser fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Aug 26, 2010

Epiphyte
Apr 7, 2006


Busket_in_Posket posted:

I don't mean completely mind-numbing, though the handful of SF I've met so far have been total sperglords and one taught me how to play WH40K...

Though 68R sounds very tempting:



I dunno, is it weird to want to go completely and utterly blue collar in the military after being a professional nerdlinger?
In regular English, this translates to digging through offal at a slaughterhouse, looking for tuberculosis nodes

I did an internship with the USDA, and I met many a sad veteran who left the service, only perform the exact same task in the civilian world. On the plus side, you will gain a deep and abiding respect for Tejano music.

vacation in kabul
Dec 6, 2009

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Busket_in_Posket posted:

On that note, what's the best rate/MOS for someone who really wants to stop being an encyclopedic nerd? I hear 88M requires minimal brain power...

11X (don't believe what any infantry guys tell you after I post this). 13B. 19D. 92 series (all terrible). 63B. Pretty much every MOS, but the four MOS's and one series I posted are all right up your alley.

thetechnoloser
Feb 11, 2003

Say hello to post-apocalyptic fun!
Grimey Drawer

vacation in kabul posted:

63B.

Now known as the 91-series! :tmyk:

Armyman25
Sep 6, 2005

Busket_in_Posket posted:

On that note, what's the best rate/MOS for someone who really wants to stop being an encyclopedic nerd? I hear 88M requires minimal brain power...

Be a Cav scout,19D, it's all hooah and poo poo, and you get to wear a bitchin' hat!

:clint:

Busket Posket
Feb 5, 2010

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Epiphyte posted:

In regular English, this translates to digging through offal at a slaughterhouse, looking for tuberculosis nodes

I did an internship with the USDA, and I met many a sad veteran who left the service, only perform the exact same task in the civilian world. On the plus side, you will gain a deep and abiding respect for Tejano music.

Oh dear god.

That is why I am blindly groping around on this forum for ideas - overthinking the enlistment process to try to find a slot that doesn't involve overthinking. Though I think the bottom-rung line may be drawn at "digging through offal."

Edit: DOES A CAV SCOUT GET A CAPE

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Busket_in_Posket posted:

Edit: DOES A CAV SCOUT GET A CAPE

Only if you buy one. Also, each cape comes with a mustache and the ability to look like a douchebag.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

10 Beers posted:

Small update: Went to my doctor, and explained to him about the gout issues, and what my recruiter had told me. He gave me a full physical, blood work, etc, and found no gout at all. He thinks I was misdiagnosed by the original clinic doctor, and said he doesn't see any reason why I could not perform any duties the military would have me perform. He's writing a letter stating exactly that, and mailing it to me with a copy of all the blood work and stuff. Anyone think that will have any sway at MEPS?

This is from last page, but I just wanted to put out there that if you have a letter stating his opinion, and states that you should be fine for military duty, I don't see why MEPS wouldn't take it. You should be ok. Unless the dude looking over you medical poo poo is in a douchebag mood that day.

hammeredspace
Jun 22, 2008
I produce infinite faggotry
What's the word on yohimbe and yohimbine? Anyone pissing hot on those?

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

Busket_in_Posket posted:

I dunno, is it weird to want to go completely and utterly blue collar in the military after being a professional nerdlinger?

No. I'm working blue collar now after getting out of IT/telephones. I enjoy it, but you still better make sure it's something with prospects or you'll be double miserable.

Look into a professional trade. The Army still has carpenters, pipefitters, etc.

Slippery
May 16, 2004


Muscles Boxcar

Hagetaka posted:

No. I'm working blue collar now after getting out of IT/telephones. I enjoy it, but you still better make sure it's something with prospects or you'll be double miserable.

Look into a professional trade. The Army still has carpenters, pipefitters, etc.

Speaking of blue collar/trade --

The USAF has a civil engineering AFSC called power production ("power pro")

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforceenlistedjobs/a/afjob3e0x2.htm

about.com posted:

Duties and Responsibilities:

Installs, removes, and operates electrical power generating and control systems, automatic transfer switches, aircraft arresting systems, and associated equipment. Checks equipment for serviceability. Positions equipment such as gasoline, and diesel engines; generators; switchgears; air compressors; and other power generating auxiliary equipment. Installs, positions, rewinds, and pretensions aircraft arresting systems. Certifies aircraft arresting systems as required.

Also a ton of other poo poo. I've met a few power pro folks and they all seem to love it, and they all say it sets them up well for work on the outside, making decent money.

grover
Jan 23, 2002

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Navy SEABEEs still have mechanics, carpenters, plumbers, HVAC techs, electricians, etc. Mostly expeditionary of late, although there are quite a few stationed at various shore commands to watch over the facility equipment.

Slippery posted:

Speaking of blue collar/trade --

The USAF has a civil engineering AFSC called power production ("power pro")

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforceenlistedjobs/a/afjob3e0x2.htm


Also a ton of other poo poo. I've met a few power pro folks and they all seem to love it, and they all say it sets them up well for work on the outside, making decent money.
The Navy equivalent, MUSE techs, all absolutely love their jobs and have terrific retention. (The Navy techs also go through AF power pro school, plus a number of Navy schools and in-house training.) For the Navy, it's not a rate you join up as, though; it's an NEC that's only open to E-5+. And I tell you what- every MUSE tech I've known has been a sharp motherfucker who knows their stuff.

grover fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Aug 28, 2010

hammeredspace
Jun 22, 2008
I produce infinite faggotry
So how does one get into the MUSE thing? Is there a test involved?

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

grover posted:

The Navy equivalent, MUSE techs, all absolutely love their jobs and have terrific retention. (The Navy techs also go through AF power pro school, plus a number of Navy schools and in-house training.) For the Navy, it's not a rate you join up as, though; it's an NEC that's only open to E-5+. And I tell you what- every MUSE tech I've known has been a sharp motherfucker who knows their stuff.

Oh yeah. I met a few MUSE guys when I was working in the shipyard. Every one of them squared the gently caress away on their knowledge.

grover
Jan 23, 2002

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hammeredspace posted:

So how does one get into the MUSE thing? Is there a test involved?
It's NEC 5633, but I don't have the details on selection. If you're interested, PM me; I can get you in touch with the master chief who runs the program.

Busket Posket
Feb 5, 2010

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Slippery posted:

Speaking of blue collar/trade --

The USAF has a civil engineering AFSC called power production ("power pro")

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforceenlistedjobs/a/afjob3e0x2.htm


Also a ton of other poo poo. I've met a few power pro folks and they all seem to love it, and they all say it sets them up well for work on the outside, making decent money.

That sounds AWESOME. Though the most I know about the AF right now is all the force-shaping and sperging for the Lord. If I walked into a recruiter's office and said I WANT TO BE A POWER PRO would I have to wait in line?

Now I'm torn between that and joining Navy as a different rate and reclassing to MUSE later on. Navy was my first choice. Swabbing poop decks and all.

Oh, and:

hammeredspace posted:

What's the word on yohimbe and yohimbine? Anyone pissing hot on those?

I am tearing up your GNC card bro. Yohimbine will piss off your heart and liver faster than it will burn significant quantities of fat, especially if you're already maintaining a healthy % through diet and exercise. And if you're taking it in combination with any other stimulants, it will exponentially increase their effects with unpredictable results on the cardiac/circulatory/nervous systems.

Though if you're using it for its erectile benefits I won't judge you.

As far as peeing in cups goes, it's a non-amphetamine alkaloid so you shouldn't trigger any alerts.

Slippery
May 16, 2004


Muscles Boxcar

Busket_in_Posket posted:

That sounds AWESOME. Though the most I know about the AF right now is all the force-shaping and sperging for the Lord. If I walked into a recruiter's office and said I WANT TO BE A POWER PRO would I have to wait in line?

I am not a recruiter, but it would depend on whether they had any need for that AFSC at that time. In other words they have quotas of jobs to fill and may have openings in various AFSCs at various times. However as I understand it, if you go in and say you won't sign unless and until that AFSC comes open, you should eventually get it.

Recruiting gets slots per FY for various AFSCs so I mean you certainly CAN get it if you demand hard enough. There are plenty of people in this forum that can advise you better though.

Anyway like I said I know a few people in that AFSC and they really do love it, work with your hands, learn a good trade, money in the real world, have fun etc. and so forth. I am not a CE officer but it sure seems good if that's what you're looking for.

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Now I'm torn between that and joining Navy as a different rate and reclassing to MUSE later on. Navy was my first choice. Swabbing poop decks and all.

I'd only note that it seems odd to go enlist with the purpose of doing something different; that is, you are 'stuck' being something else for X years until that possibility opens, and who knows what might happen between now and then? Just my opinion though.

hammeredspace
Jun 22, 2008
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grover posted:

It's NEC 5633, but I don't have the details on selection. If you're interested, PM me; I can get you in touch with the master chief who runs the program.

Got something here, though how valid the information is I can't say; there's no date. It does say that it's open to E-4 and above, though, as opposed to E-5.

I don't know if it's anything I'd be cut out for, if it's incredibly mentally intensive. I couldn't bullshit my way through basic geometry back in high school, let alone get into the nuke program back at MEPS.

ElHuevoGrande
May 21, 2006

Oh. . .

hammeredspace posted:


I don't know if it's anything I'd be cut out for, if it's incredibly mentally intensive. I couldn't bullshit my way through basic geometry back in high school, let alone get into the nuke program back at MEPS.

Sorry, guy. CTIs are rated 'critical skills', and as such, are not eligible for any special programs. The detailer won't release you for poo poo, barring a polygraph issue that keeps you out of an NSA activity. You can't crossrate, can't do embassy duty, can't be a Diver, can't go back to DLI for an advanced course, can't do an IA (unless you get a special waiver from the detailer), can't be a recruiter or MLI until third tour, and can't take a commission in a different service.

Guess how I found all that out?

hammeredspace
Jun 22, 2008
I produce infinite faggotry
You've got bad info; my trainer, the one who just certified me, is going to do recruiter duty next month! And she got to Texas the same time as I did; can't possibly be on her third tour. Furthermore our CMC just had an all-hands in which he explained that those with a history of sub-2 DLPT scores will be considered for crossrating - granted, it'll be a cross within the CT community, but at least maybe I don't have to keep pretending I know Spanish when my re-enlistment window opens up. He also said that going back to DLI for another language was a possibility. And I know at least two guys who are in California right now doing advanced Spanish!

'Course we're just throwing anecdotals at each other right now but the recent info handed down by master chief makes me think that, since that MUSE thing isn't necessarily crossrating, maybe it could be something I could bring up. Sorry things are so locked down at your command at the moment.

SquirrelyPSU
May 27, 2003


hammeredspace posted:

Got something here, though how valid the information is I can't say; there's no date. It does say that it's open to E-4 and above, though, as opposed to E-5.

I don't know if it's anything I'd be cut out for, if it's incredibly mentally intensive. I couldn't bullshit my way through basic geometry back in high school, let alone get into the nuke program back at MEPS.

Speaking as one who participated for several years towards a BS in Civil Engineering, did two semesters of internships, and then went Enlisted, a fundamental stranglehold on geometry and trigonometry is essential to success in upper level classes and practical application of the various fields of Civ Eng.

While it is certainly true that one may, at times, be able to BS their way through the second half of a Calc/Differential Eqs course, without being superb in the prior two fields of mathematics, there is no possibility for one to be successful in a wide variety of courses and concepts essential to the working knowledge of the modern civil engineer.

This is not directed at you, but generally throughout the enlisted I-want-to-go-to-college approach of most first term sailors dead-set on getting out. They describe themselves at length as being exceedingly poor at math, but dead set on going back to persue an engineering degree. All I can do is just shake my head at them and tell them that they have no idea what they are in for. Nor can I convey without condescension to them the task that lies before them. Its something I have struggled with during my time here.

This is completely ignoring the degradation (without use) of one's abilities to do math in an environment where it is certainly not required. Its like remembering how to speak Russian after spending 6 years in Spain when your primary language is English.

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd

SquirrelyPSU posted:

This is not directed at you, but generally throughout the enlisted I-want-to-go-to-college approach of most first term sailors dead-set on getting out. They describe themselves at length as being exceedingly poor at math, but dead set on going back to persue an engineering degree. All I can do is just shake my head at them and tell them that they have no idea what they are in for. Nor can I convey without condescension to them the task that lies before them. Its something I have struggled with during my time here.

Which is why if you suck at math (like I realized three semesters into an AeroE degree) you should go for a nice easy liberal arts PoliSci major. Just saying.

:smug:

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Jan 23, 2002

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hammeredspace posted:

Got something here, though how valid the information is I can't say; there's no date. It does say that it's open to E-4 and above, though, as opposed to E-5.

I don't know if it's anything I'd be cut out for, if it's incredibly mentally intensive. I couldn't bullshit my way through basic geometry back in high school, let alone get into the nuke program back at MEPS.
Their official page is here. They actually have some really good recruiting information on it:
https://portal.navfac.navy.mil/portal/page/portal/navfac/navfac_ww_pp/navfac_nfelc_pp/muse/tab3968595

I don't think it's mentally any different than any other rate, it's just a small program and the schooling requirements tend to weed out the lazy.

10 Beers
May 21, 2005

Shit! I didn't bring a knife.

kombatMedik posted:

This is from last page, but I just wanted to put out there that if you have a letter stating his opinion, and states that you should be fine for military duty, I don't see why MEPS wouldn't take it. You should be ok. Unless the dude looking over you medical poo poo is in a douchebag mood that day.

Man, I hope so! Now I'm just chomping at the bit waiting for the paperwork to get here in the mail.

Update: Took some copies of the letter and bloodwork to my recruiter today. He said it was a very strong letter, but he still wasn't sure. My doctor stated that there was confusion to my history of gout, that I had a case of hyperuremia due to rapid weight loss, which caused an incident of gout, but that there was no evidence of it being a condition, and no sign of it coming back. He also stated that it's his opinion I could handle the physical activities of the Army with no problems, and that he would even speak to someone at MEPS personally if need be. So, here's hoping!!

10 Beers fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Sep 1, 2010

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

10 Beers posted:

Man, I hope so! Now I'm just chomping at the bit waiting for the paperwork to get here in the mail.

Update: Took some copies of the letter and bloodwork to my recruiter today. He said it was a very strong letter, but he still wasn't sure. My doctor stated that there was confusion to my history of gout, that I had a case of hyperuremia due to rapid weight loss, which caused an incident of gout, but that there was no evidence of it being a condition, and no sign of it coming back. He also stated that it's his opinion I could handle the physical activities of the Army with no problems, and that he would even speak to someone at MEPS personally if need be. So, here's hoping!!

Good luck to you dude. Your doc saying that you would be fit to perform any military duty is the big part of it all, hopefully MEPS sees fit to agree. Let us know dude.

10 Beers
May 21, 2005

Shit! I didn't bring a knife.

kombatMedik posted:

Good luck to you dude. Your doc saying that you would be fit to perform any military duty is the big part of it all, hopefully MEPS sees fit to agree. Let us know dude.

Most definitely! Everyone I've asked questions to here has been totally awesome. My recruiter said the MEPS doctor is pretty understanding about stuff, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Unfortunately, he said they probably won't hear anything back until Thursday or Friday next week. The waiting is gonna be brutal.

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Where do you guys get your shirt stays/garters?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Clothing sales? Any suit store should carry something like that too.

FooGoo
Oct 21, 2008
National Guard guys: How do I get a copy of my last physical/dental exam??

We took an annual physical/PHA/dental a few months ago where they brought those mobile trailer clinics on post. Since then however, nobody in my unit seems to know where the paperwork went. MEDPROS only shows my dental class and readiness. Where is my actual exam paperwork??

Quarterly Prophet
Nov 9, 2005

by angerbeet

baquerd posted:

Where do you guys get your shirt stays/garters?

They have them at our base exchange.

No Butt Stuff
Jun 10, 2004

FooGoo posted:

National Guard guys: How do I get a copy of my last physical/dental exam??

We took an annual physical/PHA/dental a few months ago where they brought those mobile trailer clinics on post. Since then however, nobody in my unit seems to know where the paperwork went. MEDPROS only shows my dental class and readiness. Where is my actual exam paperwork??

State. Your unit should be in contact with the medical people at state level.

deltawing
Sep 20, 2007

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ACH DEP US TREASURY 220 XXXXX6002


$193.66

For those who receive disability, is this what the deposits normally look like? From the US Treasury? I filed my VA claim a few weeks back but haven't heard poo poo back. I wonder if this is the results of my claim or what? Anyone know? It's entirely possible this is completely not military related, but I'm new to this VA Claim thing.

Thanks!

EDIT: Oh yeah, school is about to start, this could be part of my education benefits...

deltawing fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Sep 4, 2010

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
That's what every military direct deposit I've ever received looks like.

deltawing
Sep 20, 2007

feels good man

Godholio posted:

That's what every military direct deposit I've ever received looks like.

ACH CREDIT XXXXX6569 DFAS-CLEVELAND DFASKCCRES


$225.64

is what my payments for drill look like, I'm a reservist, mind you.

I'm thinking they could be my education benefits, though the BAH is supposed to be 625ish and the books stipend is supposed to be 300. IDK, maybe it's a partial payment for last months part of Summer II Session...

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GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
DFAS Cleveland is where the DoD pays out (active or reserve). Anything veteran-related goes through the VA.

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