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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Up here tax and IP tend to have much lower billable requirements. And I mean low, like 1500. Usually those guys are the prosecutors though, and that poo poo blows. IP litigation tends to be pretty heavy on hours. As for the crackhead's earlier question, NOTHING is negotiable as an associate at a big firm: you take what they want to give you, or the next 100 people in line do. You're not bringing anything remotely unique enough for them to give a poo poo about you enough to make an accommodation. That said, there are several (primarily DC) firms that have a split between 1800 and 1950 billable hours requirements for associates. You might want to check that out. Oh, but guess what the opinion of, job security, and advancement possibilities are for the In other news, I've been talking over the prospect of quitting my job and moving to a small town in the south to open up a solo practice. Comedy is guaranteed to ensue.
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Oct 4, 2010 15:55
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Mookie posted:In other news, I've been talking over the prospect of quitting my job and moving to a small town in the south to open up a solo practice. Comedy is guaranteed to ensue. Who will be playing the straight man to Mookie's Cousin Vinny? Taking applications now! HooKars posted:Isn't Northwestern known for taking work into account and tends to like older people with work experience more than other schools? If you're set on going, I would add them to your list of reaches and hope they really like your work experience enough to overlook your GPA. No idea if there are any T1s that work similarly to Northwestern. Unless his work experience is along the lines of "former U.S. Senator", he ain't getting in to NW with a 3.0/166 no matter how much they may claim they value work experience. Defleshed fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Oct 4, 2010 |
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Oct 4, 2010 16:04
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Mookie posted:In other news, I've been talking over the prospect of quitting my job and moving to a small town in the south to open up a solo practice. Comedy is guaranteed to ensue. Are you going to buy a bowling alley?
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Mookie posted:In other news, I've been talking over the prospect of quitting my job and moving to a small town in the south to open up a solo practice. Comedy is guaranteed to ensue. Go to Kerrville, Texas to be a lawyer/private eye.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Up here tax and IP tend to have much lower billable requirements. And I mean low, like 1500.
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Oct 4, 2010 17:02
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Stop posted:Is it immoral to apply to a law school just to get 20 free Itune songs Immoral? Hardly. It is the only reason to apply!
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Stop posted:Is it immoral to apply to a law school just to get 20 free Itune songs You do have a fee waiver right?
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Oct 4, 2010 18:28
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Stop posted:Yep, with LSAC's fee of $12, it's more like 8 free songs. We have now discovered the only reason to apply to law school.
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Linguica posted:Obviously the solution is more lawyers.
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Oct 4, 2010 19:11
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today, I discovered that texas law needed to explicitly spell out to jails that they are not permitted to force inmates to participate (as the targets, obviously) in training dogs to attack people (Tex. Gov't Code § 501.021 )
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this is basically the only anti-abusing inmates section in the entirety of texas law, it's probably legal to use prisoners for target practice as long as no dogs are involved
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Oct 4, 2010 19:20
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poofactory posted:Obviously the solution is more lawyers. I think this is a fine idea. If not actually making people lawyers, giving them just enough of a legal education to teach people what the system's really about and what goes into a legal decision, especially appeals. Then I wouldn't get stupid questions like whether Phelps' protests at funerals are free speech or not. People don't seem to appreciate "it depends" as an answer. evilweasel posted:today, I discovered that texas law needed to explicitly spell out to jails that they are not permitted to force inmates to participate (as the targets, obviously) in training dogs to attack people (Tex. Gov't Code § 501.021 ) But isn't that how it usually goes? Seems the majority of the time human decency has to be either legislated or clarified through judicial review.
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IrritationX posted:I think this is a fine idea. If not actually making people lawyers, giving them just enough of a legal education to teach people what the system's really about and what goes into a legal decision, especially appeals. Then I wouldn't get stupid questions like whether Phelps' protests at funerals are free speech or not. People don't seem to appreciate "it depends" as an answer. The country would be much better off if there were two mandatory semester-long courses in high school: 1) Personal finance, and 2) Basics of the US legal system.
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IrritationX posted:But isn't that how it usually goes? Seems the majority of the time human decency has to be either legislated or clarified through judicial review. There only other explicit protections in that section was the token anti-discrimination section and I think maybe that you had to actually feed and clothe the prisoners. also, human decency in texas law, that's a good one
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Oct 4, 2010 19:26
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evilweasel posted:this is basically the only anti-abusing inmates section in the entirety of texas law, it's probably legal to use prisoners for target practice as long as no dogs are involved It's not about the inmates, it wouldn't be fair to the dogs.
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Oct 4, 2010 20:07
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poofactory posted:Obviously the solution is more lawyers. When you think of all the possible jobs that could exist in the US, 1/3 of 1% being lawyers is pretty drat huge. Put 300 people in the same room, and see whether you find a nuclear physicist or a skydiving instructor, or a hurricane hunter pilot, etc.
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The Rokstar posted:I'm actually looking at a corporate job that would be better lifestyle-wise with some law firm jobs as fallbacks, it's just looking like one of the law firm jobs may come to fruition well before the corporate job and I'm going to have to make a really tough choice about things. If you are already worried about lawfirm lifestyle, I'd hold out for something else if you at all possibly can. There's still pressure to bill, even if you have a lower number to meet, and they make expect you to be quite a bit above the minimum regardless. Plus there is pressure to bring in clients, which takes up additional time if you're expected to do that. I was stuck in law firms for 5 years, and never had a set hour goal to meet. I still hated it.
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Oct 4, 2010 21:04
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Mookie posted:In other news, I've been talking over the prospect of quitting my job and moving to a small town in the south to open up a solo practice. Comedy is guaranteed to ensue.
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Oct 4, 2010 21:39
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Mookie posted:Usually those guys are the prosecutors though, and that poo poo blows. IP litigation tends to be pretty heavy on hours. If you're not white, fix that. Also, bourbon. Lots of it.
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gvibes posted:I'm in IP, and its 2100 like everyone else. I used to be in biglaw IP litigation and at a "nice Midwestern firm" where the listed requirement was 1800 hours, they sat us down on day one and said "you bill 2000" Also, hours in prosecution are brutal in their own way because of how tightly budgeted most applications are. OptimistPrime fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Oct 4, 2010 |
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I came here to post a scathing critique of GULC's evening program, but now I'm too drunk and give no more fucks. Suffice it to say, I'm officially disappointed in how it's been administered and will eventually spell out why for, at least I'd hope, inclusion into the OP. I think as a minimum, prospective evening students should see if their schools even have a semblance of a regular evening faculty, or compare syllabi to see if there've been any dramatic changes in the quantity and quality of evening course offerings compared to the day program. P.S. We're charged more per credit than the daytime students. Why? Because "we had budgetary shortfalls" according to an official response.
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Oct 4, 2010 23:53
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Linguica posted:more lawyers should be cartoonists imo
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dividebyzero posted:I came here to post a scathing critique of GULC's evening program, but now I'm too drunk and give no more fucks. Suffice it to say, I'm officially disappointed in how it's been administered and will eventually spell out why for, at least I'd hope, inclusion into the OP. I like any school that took a shot at me and let me in so I root for GULC, but how do you think there's a budget shortfall when the student body is so big? Unrelated: Took the offer at the SoCal place I was talking about. sigmachiev fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Oct 5, 2010 |
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Oct 5, 2010 01:23
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dividebyzero posted:I came here to post a scathing critique of GULC's evening program, but now I'm too drunk and give no more fucks. Suffice it to say, I'm officially disappointed in how it's been administered and will eventually spell out why for, at least I'd hope, inclusion into the OP.
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dividebyzero posted:I came here to post a scathing critique of GULC's evening program, but now I'm too drunk and give no more fucks. Suffice it to say, I'm officially disappointed in how it's been administered and will eventually spell out why for, at least I'd hope, inclusion into the OP. Evening programs are cash cows for law schools, it's like having a Thomas M. Cooley law school attached to your regular law school.
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Upon looking at the course offerings for my final semester: "It doesn't loving matter, it's all going to suck."
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OptimistPrime posted:Also, hours in prosecution are brutal in their own way because of how tightly budgeted most applications are.
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quote:Senior U.S. District Judge Jack Camp Jr. has been charged with posession of cocaine, marijuana and the painkiller roxycodone, according to court documents. He is also charged with posessing a firearm as an unlawful user of controlled substances and with aiding and abetting the posession of drugs by the stripper. . .
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dividebyzero posted:I came here to post a scathing critique of GULC's evening program, but now I'm too drunk and give no more fucks. Suffice it to say, I'm officially disappointed in how it's been administered and will eventually spell out why for, at least I'd hope, inclusion into the OP. I'm really sorry to hear this. You should send an email to the Student Bar Association, especially the evening student representative.
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nm posted:Stock up on Seersucker. You think I didn't do that from the last time I worked in the South? Incidentally, that's also where I learned how to tie a bow tie, bought my first pair of white bucks, and considered (but ultimately decided against) a straw boater hat. Oh yes, I am ready for the south. The Warszawa posted:If you're not white, fix that. Also, bourbon. Lots of it. Corn liquor is even better. I was in moonshine country.
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Mookie posted:In other news, I've been talking over the prospect of quitting my job and moving to a small town in the south to open up a solo practice. Comedy is guaranteed to ensue. If it's in Mississippi make sure you holla at ya boy.
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quepasa18 posted:I was stuck in law firms for 5 years, and never had a set hour goal to meet. I still hated it. But yeah I think that's probably the last I'll say about this because somehow I don't feel like discussing my career plans on a public message board in detail is such a good idea. 
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Just coming in here to tell everyone that I am excited for the law school exam this week. I first posted in here when I was worried about my initial 141 practice LSAT score. In true Goon legal fashion, everyone told me to kill myself or change professions, I kept at it and now am scoring a constant 170-173 in my practice LSATs.
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Enigma89 posted:Just coming in here to tell everyone that I am excited for the law school exam this week. I first posted in here when I was worried about my initial 141 practice LSAT score. In true Goon legal fashion, everyone told me to kill myself or change professions, I kept at it and now am scoring a constant 170-173 in my practice LSATs. So who's got 155 in the pool?
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Enigma89 posted:Just coming in here to tell everyone that I am excited for the law school exam this week. I first posted in here when I was worried about my initial 141 practice LSAT score. In true Goon legal fashion, everyone told me to kill myself or change professions, I kept at it and now am scoring a constant 170-173 in my practice LSATs. I scored constant 172s-175s on my practice tests and still ended up at a T1 (underemployed). Be careful.
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