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areyoucontagious posted:I have a question about other advanced degrees and how they factor into my acceptance (or lack thereof) into a school: My brother in law did exactly this (PhD in pharmasomething from ivy league). His PhD actually made him a very desirable candidate, and from what I understand a PhD in a hard science is pretty much the only thing besides LSAT/GPA/URM that makes you desirable to law schools. With his high GPA/LSAT he was actively courted by every law school and got a free ride to a T10. Be warned though, he had to compete with the other hard science PhD in his law school for the one singular patent law firm that was hiring summer associates.
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A friends sister is spending 100k to go to a T3 lawschool in boston and plans to become a FBI agent with the degree. Aside from the obvious salary vs education cost issues, can someone clear up how retarded this plan is for me? I can find piles of information explaining how she will never sucessfully be a normal lawyer, but info on using a law degree to become an agent seems sparse.
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IM FROM THE FUTURE posted:A friends sister is spending 100k to go to a T3 lawschool in boston and plans to become a FBI agent with the degree. Aside from the obvious salary vs education cost issues, can someone clear up how retarded this plan is for me? I can find piles of information explaining how she will never sucessfully be a normal lawyer, but info on using a law degree to become an agent seems sparse. I'd love to be an FBI agent attorney. Sign me up. Do they get guns?
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IM FROM THE FUTURE posted:A friends sister is spending 100k to go to a T3 lawschool in boston and plans to become a FBI agent with the degree. Aside from the obvious salary vs education cost issues, can someone clear up how retarded this plan is for me? I can find piles of information explaining how she will never sucessfully be a normal lawyer, but info on using a law degree to become an agent seems sparse. It's one of the four paths to becoming an agent, so it's not completely retarded. However, as someone who just went through the FBI hiring process, I can say that it is insanely competitive. Having a law degree certainly isn't a guarantee that she'd become an agent. In fact, the applicant pool is so over-saturated with lawyers that it's worth less than it used to be (just like in the real world). The agent I was working with said he would not have recommended me on the strength of my degree alone, and only pushed me along the process because I have prior law enforcement experience. TL;DR Her plan is pretty retarded.
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Nov 2, 2010 21:39
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Asked this in another thread, but this seems to be a good thread too to ask it. I've recently been hired as operations manager of a security startup that does private investigation, among other things. I was thinking about drumming up some business from lawyers and law firms, but lawyers are strange animals to me. Do you have any tips on how to approach them to do a bit of marketing?
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A J.D is more malleable than an MBA. Also law school is very intellectually stimulating. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEnj-fVFWmw http://www.thetrialsoflawschool.com/ areyoucontagious posted:I have a question about other advanced degrees and how they factor into my acceptance (or lack thereof) into a school: May I ask why you don't want to continue to pursue scientific research? Forever Zero fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Nov 2, 2010 |
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Nov 2, 2010 22:27
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Kemper Boyd posted:Asked this in another thread, but this seems to be a good thread too to ask it. Talk to divorce lawyers and cut your rates cause aint nobody got any money
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Nov 2, 2010 22:55
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Wyatt posted:It's one of the four paths to becoming an agent, so it's not completely retarded. However, as someone who just went through the FBI hiring process, I can say that it is insanely competitive. Having a law degree certainly isn't a guarantee that she'd become an agent. In fact, the applicant pool is so over-saturated with lawyers that it's worth less than it used to be (just like in the real world). The agent I was working with said he would not have recommended me on the strength of my degree alone, and only pushed me along the process because I have prior law enforcement experience. How long did it take for your process to go through? My former coworker became a FBI agent. The total application-to-interview process took him at least 2 years. He kept having interviews and offers delayed due to budgeting uncertainties and general bureaucratic inertia. He went to Hofstra, but he got a job at Weill Gotshall as a bankruptcy associate and worked his way out of the legal sector from there. He has family ties to law enforcement and did stuff like volunteer firemen work, but something tells me he still got incredibly lucky. Forever Zero posted:A J.D is more malleable than an MBA. Also law school is very intellectually stimulating. Jesus Christ, this just makes me mad. I want to slap that dean from Emory so bad. Ugh. And Meg Penrose? Yes. They'll come to you for legal advice... as their lawyer. What do you think in-house counsel do? I like how the best case for law school articulated in that clip makes law school sound like the basic home economics or civics classes that high schools used to have. Eric Cantonese fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Nov 2, 2010 |
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IM FROM THE FUTURE posted:A friends sister is spending 100k to go to a T3 lawschool in boston and plans to become a FBI agent with the degree. Aside from the obvious salary vs education cost issues, can someone clear up how retarded this plan is for me? I can find piles of information explaining how she will never sucessfully be a normal lawyer, but info on using a law degree to become an agent seems sparse. TyChan posted:How long did it take for your process to go through? My former coworker became a FBI agent. The total application-to-interview process took him at least 2 years. He kept having interviews and offers delayed due to budgeting uncertainties and general bureaucratic inertia. early/mid spring - applied May - Phase 1 test - got passing results a few weeks later I think Because I was the only person that was honest and didn't just lie on the physical fitness form and say I could pass the PFT when I did phase 1, my application was in a holding pattern while I trained for that. Sent them a passing form in December, it got lost. Called them in February about my status, sent them a new form, she said she'd get me into phase 2. June this year - bombed phase 2 So a little over a year, but I could have cut that down a bit. I got the impression a lot depends on the field office you're applying to though and who the coordinator wants to move on. Apparently they get rated on the success rate of applicants they decide to move on to phase 2.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Asked this in another thread, but this seems to be a good thread too to ask it. Make sure you are licensed as a private investigator in the state you are operating in. One of my partners got a PI's testimony tossed from a case because he was unlicensed. Then put together a powerpoint presentation on some interesting investigative issues, call the local bar association, and volunteer to do a Continuing Legal Education Seminar.
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CaptainScraps posted:Mookie raises a good point. I'm sure they were competent attorneys, but they were busy attorneys, and totally incompetent teachers.
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My friend and I are both Graduate students in EE. For the past week he's been pushing to go to Law school to be a IP lawyer. I've shown him this thread and he still feels it's a good idea to go to law school since you can make >150K a year if admitted to T14 schools. What do you guys think?
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Forever Zero posted:A J.D is more malleable than an MBA. Also law school is very intellectually stimulating. That was sick.
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Wando posted:My friend and I are both Graduate students in EE. For the past week he's been pushing to go to Law school to be a IP lawyer. I've shown him this thread and he still feels it's a good idea to go to law school since you can make >150K a year if admitted to T14 schools. Yeah but add it up against the cost of law school, plus interest from debt, the uncertainty of employment, and the opportunity costs of losing three years salary as an engineer. Plus you will have to deal on a daily basis with law students, lawyers, and all these other assholes (cf grumblefish).
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Wando posted:My friend and I are both Graduate students in EE. For the past week he's been pushing to go to Law school to be a IP lawyer. I've shown him this thread and he still feels it's a good idea to go to law school since you can make >150K a year if admitted to T14 schools. EE is the most desired tech background other than maybe a biotech PhD. So that's a plus. However: Those high-paying biglaw jobs? Not so good for the lifestyle if you're busy, and not going to last if you're not. On top of that, patent prosecution, his most likely path, is so soul-crushingly boring that my friends in prosecution are desperately trying to lateral. Career trajectories can be weird, even if you get a job out of law school - for example, I got canned by my biglaw firm when they screwed things up with a client responsible for 85% of my billables. I eventually found something in-house, but it'll likely never lead back to a big firm because it's somewhat non-standard, and it's unlikely I'll make as much as I used to for a long, long time. Even in ideal conditions, I would likely have left the firm after 4-5 years, so it's a limited period of that big firm income, too. And that's 150k of debt, plus 3 years of lost wages to potentially become less marketable, depending on his current options.
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Forever Zero posted:A J.D is more malleable than an MBA. Also law school is very intellectually stimulating. About that "intellectual stimulation" thing, I swear I am now dumber after two years of law school. I think about complex issues in dumber, more reductivist, and stupidly-legalistic ways, and it's scary. Or maybe it's just the alcoholism.
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Anthropolis posted:About that "intellectual stimulation" thing, I swear I am now dumber after two years of law school. I think about complex issues in dumber, more reductivist, and stupidly-legalistic ways, and it's scary. Or maybe it's just the alcoholism. "gently caress it, pay me and I'll argue either way, I don't really care."
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oh hey a law school colleague of mine got her letter to the NYT published: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/01/opinion/l01workers.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
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Forever Zero posted:A J.D is more malleable than an MBA. Also law school is very intellectually stimulating. I listened to the judge and was confused about the rage, but then... oh god.
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One thing a legal education has done for me--and by that I really mean what I've learned since graduating from law school--is that I am utterly unafraid to engage anyone about any issue involving business, conflict, or contracts. My bullshit meter works pretty well too. And at the end of the day I know that the worst thing that will happen to me is I'll get sued or sue someone else, and I'm pretty comfortable with that conflict.
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Also what the gently caress is ginko balboa? Is that some kind of aromatic liqueur?
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Wando posted:My friend and I are both Graduate students in EE. For the past week he's been pushing to go to Law school to be a IP lawyer. I've shown him this thread and he still feels it's a good idea to go to law school since you can make >150K a year if admitted to T14 schools. It's still a difficult market for MSEEs.
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TyChan posted:How long did it take for your process to go through? My former coworker became a FBI agent. The total application-to-interview process took him at least 2 years. From the time of my application to the actual Phase II interview was right around one year.
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Wando posted:My friend and I are both Graduate students in EE. For the past week he's been pushing to go to Law school to be a IP lawyer. I've shown him this thread and he still feels it's a good idea to go to law school since you can make >150K a year if admitted to T14 schools.
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Solomon Grundy posted:A Ph.D. in a liberal arts field you say? "Harold Bloom is a misogynistic narcissist..." Hahahaha...burnnnnn on Blooooooom. *cough* Anyone for tacos?
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IM FROM THE FUTURE posted:A friends sister is spending 100k to go to a T3 lawschool in boston and plans to become a FBI agent with the degree. Aside from the obvious salary vs education cost issues, can someone clear up how retarded this plan is for me? I can find piles of information explaining how she will never sucessfully be a normal lawyer, but info on using a law degree to become an agent seems sparse. I was trying the FBI route before the IRS picked me up. I passed phase 1 without any issue, but the only reason I was even moving towards phase 2 was because of language skills (I speak Italian) and not because I was an attorney.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Also what the gently caress is ginko balboa? Is that some kind of aromatic liqueur? It's what Rocky used to suceed as a sexagenarian pugilist
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Just watched the Paper Chase. Is this what 1L year was supposed to be? No wonder I got the grades I did...
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Army JAG packet in. Hope hope hope hope hope hope.
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Today I bought a single roll of toilet paper with change that I scrounged from my bedroom floor because I couldn't afford anything better and I wasn't sure I could hold it in until work tomorrow morning, where the toilet paper is free like some kind of proletariat paradise granted I'm actually working now (at a nonlegal temp job) and the only reason I'm broke is because I don't get a regular paycheck because they hired me as an independent contractor (not 100% sure it's legal but I don't wanna rock the boat) but I still feel like this counts as a new low I scrounged up a little more change and bought a 40 to dull the pain All you LSAT guys should totally go to law school it pays off real well. i LOVE being a lawyer
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hopeTheAttackSlug posted:Army JAG packet in. change Ainsley McTree posted:Today I bought a single roll of toilet paper with change that I scrounged from my bedroom floor because I couldn't afford anything better and I wasn't sure I could hold it in until work tomorrow morning, where the toilet paper is free like some kind of proletariat paradise
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work poop is the best poop. you get paid to do it.
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IM FROM THE FUTURE posted:A friends sister is spending 100k to go to a T3 lawschool in boston and plans to become a FBI agent with the degree. Aside from the obvious salary vs education cost issues, can someone clear up how retarded this plan is for me? I can find piles of information explaining how she will never sucessfully be a normal lawyer, but info on using a law degree to become an agent seems sparse. I actually applied to be an FBI special agent. FBI special agents hire from, um, 8ish fields. These fields are: military, computer forensics, computer science, language (Chinese/Arabic/etc only pls), law enforcement, hard science graduate degrees, something else, and the law. When I applied, I got accepted through the first round. In my letter of acceptance, they said, and I quote, "We have received an unprecedented amount of law and computer science applicants, and as such we will not be evaluating them this hiring round beyond the first round. If you choose to continue though the first round with only these specialties, then please be prepared to not advance." In other words, tell your dumb oval office of a "friend's sister" to become a cop and/or military officer, then go to law school, and she may have a slightly elevated chance at becoming an FBI special agent. Or she can just go into the military and learn something useful that is applicable after she gets shot at for several years. Side note: would it be preferable to be shot at for several years, or go to law school and repay a full student loan debt? Easy choice: I'll take the bullet. Edit: I would literally take a bullet to be unsaddled from my debt. I wonder how much I could sell a shot to the stomach and/or a shot to various meaty extremities. There's got to be someone fetishing about this that is willing to pay me $100k BigHead fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Nov 3, 2010 |
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3 Iowa Supreme Court Justices just lost their job via Mid-term Judicial Retention vote. Backlash against their decision in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varnum_v._Brien . This shits a disgrace. Guess we will look forward to Judges having to make political campaign Ad's solicit donations now or something?
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TheAttackSlug posted:work poop is the best poop. you get paid to do it. Billing for a luxurious 15 minute poo poo was probably the most satisfaction I've derived from the practice of law to date.
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 NERD ALERT here's the oral argument transcript of that video game case that went before SCOTUS. http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/08-1448.pdf
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scalia blows his cooldowns at the very beginning edit: I want to be a con law video game lawyer edit edit: mortal kombat is spelled with a K, you scrubs TheAttackSlug fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Nov 3, 2010 |
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CLS people, do you have any recommendations on which 1L elective I should take? Here are the options: Law and Economics (Prof. Victor Goldberg) Legislation (Prof. Richard Briffault) Principles of Intellectual Property (Prof. Scott Hemphill) Critical Legal Thought (Prof. Katherine Franke) Foundations of the Regulatory State (Prof. Peter Strauss) The United States and the International Legal System (Prof. Matthew Waxman) I'm leaning toward Critical Legal Thought, Legislation, and the International class but I'm generally pretty open-minded.
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sigmachiev posted:
Did you go? What is your sense of where it is going? you or SWATjester?
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Holland Oats posted:CLS people, do you have any recommendations on which 1L elective I should take? Here are the options: Not a CLS person, but if Foundations of the Regulatory State is just a fancy name for Admin Law, I'd take that. If you want to work for a federal agency or department it will be a good selling point in interviews and cover letters.
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