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While watching Episode II last night, I was reminded of something that confused me: When Padme is on Geonosis and Palpatine is trying to get emergency powers in order to create an army, Jar-Jar (in Padme's place) suggests granting said powers to Palpatine. This makes absolutely no sense. In the beginning of the movie, Padme talks about how she's been fighting the military creation act since its inception and favors a diplomatic solution with the separatists. Jar-Jar has been with Padme for a long time, and he should know that she'd oppose anything that would involve creating an army. Senator Organa is standing in the room when they say "If only Senator Amidala were here," and he probably knows that she'd be against it, too, considering they all sit in the same flying disc and seem to have the same political views. Am I missing something here? /
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Pope Mobile posted:When Padme is on Geonosis and the Senator is trying to get emergency powers in order to create an army, Jar-Jar (in Padme's place) suggests granting said powers to Palpatine. This makes absolutely no sense. George Lucas was trolling all the fans who loudly ranted about how much they hated Jar-Jar.
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Dec 9, 2010 17:48
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To be fair, the concept of the naive and comical sidekick actually causing irredeemable and horrific damage through his best intentions is sort of cool. If only it made sense and we cared about Jar Jar.
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Dec 9, 2010 17:53
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So I'm not crazy, and it's just a lovely plot point?
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Dec 9, 2010 17:57
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Pope Mobile posted:So I'm not crazy, and it's just a lovely plot point? I wasn't being flippant in my answer. I genuinely think that was Lucas' intention. The man wears shirts saying "Han shot first", he knows his fandom and probably hates them.
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Dec 9, 2010 18:00
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Pope Mobile posted:So I'm not crazy, and it's just a lovely plot point? Aren't the prequels a series of those one after the other?
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Dec 9, 2010 18:49
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Mister Roboto posted:What would've been a better way to name the clone? Calling him Luke's Clone every sentence would've been wordy. Not-Luke
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Dec 9, 2010 19:05
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Pope Mobile posted:While watching Episode II last night, I was reminded of something that confused me: I looked at this as a plot point to throw Jar Jar under the bus. So when people would argue how cute he was, you could retort with the fact that he pretty much handed the galaxy over to the Emperor at that point. I think I've seen it discussed elsewhere too that Palpatine maneuvered things so that Jar Jar would be in a place to make the decision but since he's so feeble he's be easy to manipulate.
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Dec 9, 2010 19:10
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Mister Roboto posted:What would've been a better way to name the clone? Calling him Luke's Clone every sentence would've been wordy. Jim
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Dec 9, 2010 19:12
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RagnarokAngel posted:Aren't the prequels a series of those one after the other?  Bonzo posted:I looked at this as a plot point to throw Jar Jar under the bus. So when people would argue how cute he was, you could retort with the fact that he pretty much handed the galaxy over to the Emperor at that point. I can buy Palpatine arranging it so Padme wouldn't be there. But no matter how easy it is to manipulate Jar-Jar, he's been chilling with Padme for ten years at this point and would know how she'd vote. The only thing I could buy, story wise (because it probably is a Lucas troll) is Palpatine mind tricking him considering how stupid he is. Shimrra Jamaane posted:Jim Ekul
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Dec 9, 2010 19:21
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Mister Roboto posted:What would've been a better way to name the clone? Calling him Luke's Clone every sentence would've been wordy. Twoke (pronounced like "tuque")
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Dec 9, 2010 19:27
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Pope Mobile posted:While watching Episode II last night, I was reminded of something that confused me: I always assumed that Palpatine did some sort of Sith Mind Trick to convince Jar Jar to do what he wanted. Jar Jar is pretty much the poster boy for "weak-minded".
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Dec 9, 2010 22:32
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Locutus Of Bored posted:I always assumed that Palpatine did some sort of Sith Mind Trick to convince Jar Jar to do what he wanted. Jar Jar is pretty much the poster boy for "weak-minded". The fact that you need to make that huge stretch shows just how loving stupid it was.
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Dec 9, 2010 22:38
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The fact that you need to make that huge stretch shows just how loving stupid it was. I like to assume it was more of a, "Yay! People are paying attention to me!" 
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Dec 10, 2010 00:24
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Would've made more sense just to not have written Padme as so dovish. If she deliberately helped put Palpatine into power and build what she thought would be a defensive army, that would go a long way to fleshing out the "kind, but sad" impression that Leia had of her years later.
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Dec 10, 2010 00:45
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Time to go watch Epsiode I again to find more stuff to complain about. Why do I hate myself so?
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Dec 10, 2010 00:46
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Why bother watching them again? Just say "everything. Literally everything." and go do something more productive.
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Dec 10, 2010 00:53
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I didn't think it was too bad. Padme was against the military creation act but that was before the Separatists started getting ornery by doing things like kidnapping Jedis and trying to assassinate Republic Senators. Jar-Jar could have just thought that the game changed from just keeping the Republic together to pure survival and that Padme's stance would have changed.
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Dec 10, 2010 01:46
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mojo1701a posted:I like to assume it was more of a, "Yay! People are paying attention to me!" Pretty much this. The answer to this question is that Jar Jar is an idiot and does stupid things. Nothing involving Jar Jar should ever require more thought than that.
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Dec 10, 2010 02:52
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WhyteRyce posted:I didn't think it was too bad. Padme was against the military creation act but that was before the Separatists started getting ornery by doing things like kidnapping Jedis and trying to assassinate Republic Senators. Jar-Jar could have just thought that the game changed from just keeping the Republic together to pure survival and that Padme's stance would have changed. When they were on Geonosis and they knew Obiwan was captured, she still wanted a diplomatic solution. I just have the movies on as background noise while I play games. So It's not like I'm paying too much attention.
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Dec 10, 2010 03:20
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q02weIJD3I So is this real or what..?
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Dec 10, 2010 04:40
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Nckdictator posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q02weIJD3I It must be fake, Japan never uses American pop culture icons in their commercials.
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Dec 10, 2010 04:45
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Mister Roboto posted:Nah, it's fake, Japan never uses American pop culture icons in their commercials. Especially Star Wars. Japan hates that.
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Dec 10, 2010 04:47
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I dont know, just suprised me the Lucasfilm would have authorized that.
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Dec 10, 2010 05:00
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Nckdictator posted:I dont know, just suprised me the Lucasfilm would have authorized that. They also authorized the Turkish edition of Star Wars too.
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Dec 10, 2010 05:05
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Nckdictator posted:I dont know, just suprised me the Lucasfilm would have authorized that. Every time this thought crosses your mind, remember the holiday special.
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Dec 10, 2010 05:05
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Pope Mobile posted:When they were on Geonosis and they knew Obiwan was captured, she still wanted a diplomatic solution. She wanted a diplomatic solution, but did Jar-Jar know that or did he think "holy poo poo the Republic is going to be destroyed Padme wouldn't want that!"
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Dec 10, 2010 05:06
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Lucasfilm in general is pretty casual about using Star Wars compared to a lot of movie studios and their properties. That's why you can find a billion lightsaber battles on youtube.
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Dec 10, 2010 05:07
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:They also authorized the Turkish edition of Star Wars too. But anyone would have done this. Wouldn't you?
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Dec 10, 2010 05:26
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WhyteRyce posted:She wanted a diplomatic solution, but did Jar-Jar know that or did he think "holy poo poo the Republic is going to be destroyed Padme wouldn't want that!" I think his big ugly face was as dumb as a butt 
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Dec 10, 2010 05:36
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Lucas could have had at least put a scene in ROTS when Jar Jar Has Seen To Much with Anakin and Palpatine and is brutally cut down.
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Dec 10, 2010 05:58
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Mister Roboto posted:What would've been a better way to name the clone? Calling him Luke's Clone every sentence would've been wordy. Lucas 
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Dec 10, 2010 06:13
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SeanBeansShako posted:Lucas could have had at least put a scene in ROTS when Jar Jar Has Seen To Much with Anakin and Palpatine and is brutally cut down. Instead, Lucas demonstrated his love for the fans and put Jar-Jar in with the final spoken line of the entire Star Wars trilogy in the re-released ROTJ. Do people really need more evidence he's trolling everyone?
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Dec 10, 2010 14:43
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I've been a Star Wars fan for ages, but never thought to ask: 1) Is there any scene in any media where Leia gives a poo poo about the fact her whole planet blows up? I don't mean using it politically, I mean actually being sad that her entire world no longer exists. 2) What happened to the Tantive IV after it got boarded by Vader at the start of ANH?
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Dec 10, 2010 16:39
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EddieDean posted:I've been a Star Wars fan for ages, but never thought to ask: Nope. I mean, there's some effort in some books to create New Alderaan, and Leia is occasionally mentioned as helping. But other than that minor plot line, no, nothing. (At least that I've read or seen.) EddieDean posted:2) What happened to the Tantive IV after it got boarded by Vader at the start of ANH? Vader destroyed it and the entire crew was killed. Later, propaganda was released saying an asteroid storm was the cause of it's destruction.
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Dec 10, 2010 16:45
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I'm pretty sure Vader tortured the poo poo out of her in Cloud City in ESB with images of Aldeeran being blown up, she personally cared about it. Kind of funny how she was still called Princess afterwards.
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Dec 10, 2010 16:54
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thrawn527 posted:Nope. I mean, there's some effort in some books to create New Alderaan, and Leia is occasionally mentioned as helping. But other than that minor plot line, no, nothing. (At least that I've read or seen.) Many of the Bantaam books have political opponents giving her grief about how she frequently brings up the destruction of Alderaan for sympathy and I vaguely recall her expressing that sentiment more than once in books, though the specific scenes aren't coming to mind. So it's definitely addressed in the EU.
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Dec 11, 2010 01:28
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Azzmo posted:Many of the Bantaam books have political opponents giving her grief about how she frequently brings up the destruction of Alderaan for sympathy and I vaguely recall her expressing that sentiment more than once in books, though the specific scenes aren't coming to mind. So it's definitely addressed in the EU. So she was the Rudy Giuliani of Star Wars?
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Dec 11, 2010 01:55
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So, I just bought my first Star Wars book in a few years, this thing. http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Cross-Sections-Spacecraft/dp/0756627044/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top It's suprisingly nice, i'm a apregy dork sometimes so i'm loving the art and tech crap.
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warlord posted:So she was the Rudy Giuliani of Star Wars? More like the Israel of Star Wars 
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