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Doctor Zero posted:Countdown until someone suggests an auto-ban of low rated songs. I remember what that was like. Maybe we could increase the 3 day waiting period to 5 or 6 days? There's still plenty of music that hasn't been played yet.
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We need a button to add a random unplayed dong. A "lonely dong" button.
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Dec 21, 2010 19:20
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The station used to have "Unplayed dongs only mode" and "Short dongs only mode." I think it'd be a good idea to bring that back.
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Dec 21, 2010 19:42
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Short dongs only? Sounds like my kind of station!
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Dec 21, 2010 19:47
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The three days of unplayed short dongs mode on G1 were a thing of beauty.
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Dec 21, 2010 19:52
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Would we have enough unplayed dongs for that? And how short is short?
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Dec 21, 2010 20:02
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It was all unplayed dongs in the database under a minute. It lasted three days because then we ran out of dongs to add. If we did it with our current database we could probably get a couple days out of it. Just bringing back unplayed dongs mode would probably help some of the complaints.
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Dec 21, 2010 20:05
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I heard Jonnty was fighting Godzilla, and we lost our nuke, and that's why it hasn't been implemented. I'm not quite sure if that's right though.
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Dec 21, 2010 20:22
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Also it's christmas break and lots of college kids are home and lots of people who listen while working are off work. That might have an impact. Right now it says there's 34 listeners, and a couple months ago at this time of day there'd be like 40 or 50, so it's not like it's a huge falloff. If people want hundreds of simultaneous listeners, then the format has to move away from the, let's say, non-mainstream playlist. If people want to keep this format, then we will not have hundreds of listeners. There's really no way to escape that, and it's stupid to argue with the people saying "these songs turn people off" because they're not wrong. The question is only, do you want those offputting songs so much that you will sacrifice listenership to keep them? If so, then great, there's no problem. If not, then a format change of some kind is necessary. Personally I'm OK with the current format, but also, will only tune in maybe a couple times a week.
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Dec 21, 2010 20:26
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We're up to 40, apparently! Just a few more than usual, but I guess this thread is attracting some people again.
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Dec 21, 2010 22:23
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Leperflesh posted:If people want hundreds of simultaneous listeners, then the format has to move away from the, let's say, non-mainstream playlist. If people want to keep this format, then we will not have hundreds of listeners. I think the likes of Spotify and other on-demand music solutions have eroded the listener base. I remember when (2005? 2006?) the usual peak listenership was close to a hundred, and the playlist averaged 8ish hours. There was a LOT of variety then, and I consider that the peak of the station so far actually. Before people castrate me, do understand that I am intimately aware of "people genuinely like Costes/Taco teh wodner dough/Diamanda Galas/Cannibal Corpse" and agree 100% (I like them all, and was introduced to all but the last one through GBS-FM). All I'm saying is that in the current active user climate, those people liking the, shall we say, conventionally-unappealing stuff are in a large majority and, though they may not add it exclusively, it features a lot on the station. If there was a larger active userbase, the variety would correspondingly be larger. I agree with bringing back unplayed dongs mode and a random unplayed button. I should upload more stuff myself. Way back when the vast majority of my adds (in the thousands on GBS-FM 1) were random, previously-unplayed dongs, I could count on adding something novel to the playlist a lot of the time. I don't think it would be detracting from the station or its ethos if we active users didn't insist on wringing new users through the mangle with the Pokosys and Costeses in quite such a thorough way. I still think Ganjalice vs. Chief Packabowl beats the poo poo outta Zabbah.
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Dec 21, 2010 22:30
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Kaiho posted:I think the likes of Spotify and other on-demand music solutions have eroded the listener base. I remember when (2005? 2006?) the usual peak listenership was close to a hundred, and the playlist averaged 8ish hours. There was a LOT of variety then, and I consider that the peak of the station so far actually. I'm not disagreeing with anything you say here, but we maxed out the stream a couple times on G2's re-launch (125 users) and had 12 hour playlists. a long playlist just means we're popular!
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Dec 21, 2010 22:56
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Honestly, I think people just flog the gimmicks too hard. If this means we need to increase the time between replaying a song to a week or two, then let's do that. If this means unplayed dongs mode, let's do that.
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Dec 22, 2010 00:06
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I've unilaterally put the replay interval to a week. I hope nobody minds, but if you do, I suppose you ought to familiarise yourself with the definition of "unilateral" and be quiet. (but seriously: sound good?)
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Dec 22, 2010 00:32
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Jonnty posted:I've unilaterally put the replay interval to a week. I hope nobody minds, but if you do, I suppose you ought to familiarise yourself with the definition of "unilateral" and be quiet. Sounds awesome. Let's rock it with new music! 
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Dec 22, 2010 00:36
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N'th-ing an easier way to find unplayed or other random music, music by genres (if only the database had those) or by date. Would it be possible to design a dynamic minimum duration between dong replays? There would be a minimum, and it would naturally saturate at some maximum. basically, if there was shorter between replays, the delay until the next time it could be added would become longer. Immediate disadvantage: It would be hard to understand. The advantage I could see would be that it could allow fads/memes to continue for a while, but they couldn't continue forever because of the increasing delay, and hopefully the long delay in the end would wash out the fad, but it could still return after a while.
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Dec 22, 2010 00:40
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Jonnty posted:I've unilaterally put the replay interval to a week. I hope nobody minds, but if you do, I suppose you ought to familiarise yourself with the definition of "unilateral" and be quiet. I've been saying that the mods need a way to increase the timeout on stuff without banning/unbanning. That's really the best way in my opinion, as you have a (supposedly) rational person evaluating if something is a problem without some arcane formula. A little spike in popularity in a song for whatever reason over the short term isn't a bad thing. It's the songs that get added on heavy repeat just to annoy people that's the problem. But that's just how I'd handle it. It's not like we don't have enough music to be able to handle a week refresh.
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Dec 22, 2010 01:07
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Jonnty posted:(but seriously: sound good?) Needs an unplayed mode too.
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Dec 22, 2010 01:41
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Test Pilot Monkey posted:I don't really know what it's making fun of Get educated.
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Dec 22, 2010 01:46
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I also think it would be nice to have a "Forgotten Songs" mode, where only songs that haven't been played for more than a year would be able to be added. Some songs on the database might be forgotten about otherwise.
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Dec 22, 2010 02:13
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There are thousands of songs in the database that have never been played. A button that would cue a random 0-plays song would be pretty cool too. Anyway I like the productive way that this discussion is trending.
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Dec 22, 2010 02:42
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I guess you could say that I'm relatively new to GBS-FM, and I could see why others would be turned off by this. I'll listen to the station, and it'll be either techno, metal, or some joke song. I'll listen to it, and hell, usually I'll like it. Unfortunately, I'll wind up not really suggesting any songs because I usually feel like the song I'm suggesting isn't really related to what's playing and that I'll be the only one who likes it. But that's just my two cents. Also, it's kind of a pain to have any and all communication in either irc or the thread. That said, anyone know of a good irc client? Fake edit: Leperflesh posted:A button that would cue a random 0-plays song would be pretty cool too. I like this idea.
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Captain McStabbin posted:Unfortunately, I'll wind up not really suggesting any songs because I usually feel like the song I'm suggesting isn't really related to what's playing and that I'll be the only one who likes it. But that's just my two cents. This hardly ever stops anyone else (especially the part about you being the only one who likes it). Add whatever you like. Part of the fun is seeing everyone react with anger at your contributions to the playlist. Captain McStabbin posted:That said, anyone know of a good irc client? A lot of people use the Mibbit web client through the link on the GBS-FM website. Otherwise, some people seem to like ChatZilla.
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Dec 22, 2010 03:27
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Captain McStabbin posted:Unfortunately, I'll wind up not really suggesting any songs because I usually feel like the song I'm suggesting isn't really related to what's playing and that I'll be the only one who likes it. But that's just my two cents. quote:Also, it's kind of a pain to have any and all communication in either irc or the thread. quote:That said, anyone know of a good irc client?
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Captain McStabbin posted:That said, anyone know of a good irc client? For Windows, I recommend Y-Chat, the free version of X-Chat. Honestly, I'd recommend the same for Linux, since it's also free, and I have no idea for Mac unfortuately. I'm also new to this, and I love it! First heard about it from a friend who was here long before I was. GBS-FM fully satisfies my need for maximum entropy in music. I think it's a great way for music by small or local artists to get heard. For example, I uploaded all of William Walter & Co. Slowly working my way through, and though it's being not being received incredibly well, maybe it'll make a good impression on someone, because I think the music is pretty cool. If I had to make one suggestion, it would be to clear out the comment entry box when a song changes so that when you press enter it doesn't comment on the *next* song. Or maybe I should not be stupid and just comment earlier. 
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This is an okay irc client for OS X users: http://www.uplinklabs.net/~tycho/projects/xchat-aqua/ Unrelated, but I hope I never hear "Alpha Test Pilot - The Ballard of Bob Pokosy" again. Ugh
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Dec 22, 2010 04:25
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Blame Test Pilot Monkey. Blame him so hard.
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Dec 22, 2010 05:00
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Jonnty posted:I've unilaterally put the replay interval to a week. I hope nobody minds, but if you do, I suppose you ought to familiarise yourself with the definition of "unilateral" and be quiet. Yep. And again requesting the "show me all my unplayed tracks" feature.
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Dec 22, 2010 05:07
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Borommakott posted:Blame Test Pilot Monkey. Blame him so hard.
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Just a friendly two-month follow-up on the Bob Pokosy {extended} technical issue. Has any progress been made?
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Dec 22, 2010 06:53
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Dominus Vobiscum posted:This hardly ever stops anyone else (especially the part about you being the only one who likes it). Add whatever you like. Part of the fun is seeing everyone react with anger at your contributions to the playlist. I feel like there's less and less of that these days. I feel people don't really bother voting or commenting either way :/
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Dec 22, 2010 08:13
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I think we could attract more listeners if we just tone down on adding songs that are both horrible/annoying AND long. And I don't mean 10min Bob Pokosy. Yesterday a mod added (or approved an add) for a 26-minute song that was just static noise.  I genuinely like Anal oval office and Excrementory Grindfuckers.  I mean, how can you not with stuff like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD9zfw_b-3k Sonnekki posted:For Windows, I recommend Y-Chat, the free version of X-Chat. Honestly, I'd recommend the same for Linux, since it's also free, and I have no idea for Mac unfortuately.
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Dec 22, 2010 08:20
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Yay on the new cool-off period. If we're going to cut out some of the crap does that mean less lovely Chrimbo music?
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Dec 22, 2010 09:16
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Jormagund posted:Yay on the new cool-off period. Anything played in the last days won't make it for Christmas, meaning that should you listen on Xmas day your stream will be delightfully easy on the festive poo poo.
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Dec 22, 2010 09:30
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A week sounds fine. I'll make sure only to add the most festive Black Metal on Christmas day.
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Dec 22, 2010 09:51
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Kaiho posted:Anything played in the last days won't make it for Christmas, meaning that should you listen on Xmas day your stream will be delightfully easy on the festive poo poo.
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Yeah, jorg, I think you greatly underestimate how much christmas music there is.
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Sorry to spoil the good vibe, but I don't see how will a 0 times played feature or a longer interval between songs help anything. I have a pretty wide musical taste and yet I normally know only 1 song in 10. That means that as far as I am concerned, those 9 songs were played 0 times. So the 0 plays feature is already here unless you're on GBS-FM 24/7 and already know too much songs. Also I don't notice terrible songs played over and over. Since I vote them low, I can recognize them later and they don't reappear that often. Again, no need for changes there. Instead I suggest we make use of the voting system! What's the point of it anyway? Great songs and crap songs are treated equally. Here are a few suggestions: - add rating to the song list so when you want to pick something from an artist you don't know well you will make a more informed choice - when there's less than X songs on the list, a bot adds a random song rated 4.5+ - songs rated lower have a longer cool down period
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Dec 22, 2010 15:48
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Doctor Malaver posted:songs rated lower have a longer cool down period Seriously though, the rating should never effect anything, otherwise songs aren't equal. And the unplayed dongs mode isn't supposed to improve the signal to noise ratio, it's just some more fun. Russian Roulette isn't the same without a gun, after all.
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Doctor Malaver posted:- songs rated lower have a longer cool down period Given peoples inclination to be shitheads on the internet, you can imagine how many songs would get downvoted just to be a oval office to other listeners (this already happens, but with little other effect than the very rare rageout in the comments or irc). We've been discussing things like this pretty much since the station first launched in 2004 and it's just not a good idea to let votes decide anything other than what peoples initial expectations will be before it plays.
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