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Glint Hawk Idol was the only one that really surprised me. I know it's good, I just didn't know it was that good. And I would have expected Plague Stinger to make the top 10, too. And possibly Turn to Slag.
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Lunael posted:Top 10 Commons Picked First by SOM 8-4 Draft Winners: quote:Glint Hawk Idol was the only one that really surprised me. I know it's good, I just didn't know it was that good. And I would have expected Plague Stinger to make the top 10, too. And possibly Turn to Slag. Tumble Magnent is the lowest rated non-artifact-creature answer, which is about right. Plague Stinger gets blocked a lot by Glint Hawk / Kemba Skygaurds / GHI and doesn't strictly kill dudes as much as Cystbearer. In a one-to-one comparison it has to be Cystbearer over Plague Stinger. Turn to Slag is ssllllloooooooooowwww, I see more 8th pick Turn to Slags than I see 3rd pick Galvanic Blasts.
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I can't see going Mirran for the prerelease. This is my take on the first-pickable common/uncommons in MBS: Phyrexian: Corrupted Conscience Steel Sabotage Vedalken Anatomist Spread the Sickness Into the Core Viridian Corrupter Phyrexian Juggernaut Mirran: Go for the Throat. Leonin Relic-Warder (maybe). Crush Kuldotha Flamefiend Phyrexia just has way, way more removal at un/common. It also has the best Red removal card for some reason.
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Jan 21, 2011 22:51
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Isn't the prerelease sealed, not draft? I'd much rather play Mirran than Phyrexia in sealed, and the opposite for draft.
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Jan 21, 2011 23:51
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Nemico posted:Isn't the prerelease sealed, not draft? I'd much rather play Mirran than Phyrexia in sealed, and the opposite for draft. Yeah its 3 Scars + 3 faction MBS.
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Jan 21, 2011 23:58
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Is there a place that has the currently spoiled items listed by faction?
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Jan 22, 2011 00:02
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Best I've seen is the mothership's visual spoiler. They're not sorted, but you can easily see the watermarks.
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Looking through the spoiler, and I thought about this guy:Ashenai posted:
(he's in english in the spoiler) In MBS -> SoM -> SoM drafting, I really want to pick up one or two and just go balls deep on Golem Foundery bullshit as a plan. Problem being that the only three common artifacts I've seen previewed are the 6/6 for 6 Chrome Rhino, the Living Weapon +1/+1, and the 2 mana draw 1 and 1. Is MBS going to have the same density as Scars for artifacts? Especially stupid cheap trinkets?
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Jan 22, 2011 00:54
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Gerund posted:Is MBS going to have the same density as Scars for artifacts? Especially stupid cheap trinkets? Commons are usually spoiled later, because, well, they tend to be boring. I'm very sure there will be plenty of common artifacts.
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Jan 22, 2011 01:04
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Gerund posted:Is MBS going to have the same density as Scars for artifacts? Especially stupid cheap trinkets?
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Jan 22, 2011 01:12
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I've started recording my drafts and have put up a couple SoM drafts. Take a look if you're bored: http://www.youtube.com/luluscards/
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Imaduck posted:I've started recording my drafts and have put up a couple SoM drafts. Take a look if you're bored:
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Chajusong posted:MBS has either 47/145, or 57/155 artifacts, so either 32.4% or 36.8%. SOM had 88/229, or 38.4%. So, the density will be a tiny bit smaller in the overall set, but we don't yet know how the distribution will be at different rarities. It might end up that every pack of MBS has as many artifacts as a pack of SOM just because there are fewer rares. The 146-155 cards were confirmed as basic lands.
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The level of power exhibited by the MBS spoilers thus far makes me sad that the mid-block format isn't MBS/MBS/SOM. Naturally, many of the rares and uncommons look real good: it'll be nice to be able to deal one-for-one with a Hoard-Smelter Dragon on the turn it comes out. However, at common, Spread the Sickness alone makes the format a lot better, and Crush will be entertaining to play around. Green thus far looks to be the powerhouse creature color, with Fangren Marauder, Viridian Emissary, and Rot Wolf all common as well. With infect getting so many good dudes in MBS, Melira's Keepers should go really high. It'll also be fun to see four drafters at the table snap up choice infect guys in pack one only to languish during the Scars boosters!!!
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MizuZero posted:The level of power exhibited by the MBS spoilers thus far makes me sad that the mid-block format isn't MBS/MBS/SOM. Naturally, many of the rares and uncommons look real good: it'll be nice to be able to deal one-for-one with a Hoard-Smelter Dragon on the turn it comes out. However, at common, Spread the Sickness alone makes the format a lot better, and Crush will be entertaining to play around. Green thus far looks to be the powerhouse creature color, with Fangren Marauder, Viridian Emissary, and Rot Wolf all common as well. Yeah adding a pack of MBS to the front of an SoM draft is going to be really... (fun? exciting? challenging?) for what is really a "solved" format at this point.
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MizuZero posted:The level of power exhibited by the MBS spoilers thus far makes me sad that the mid-block format isn't MBS/MBS/SOM. I can't be the only one who absolutely hates this. I have terrible memories of several zen/wwk/wwk drafts because people were more interested in opening new cards instead of drafting a sensible format. mbs/mbs/som doesn't look like it would be very balanced.
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Well, MBS is a 50/50 split down the middle between Mirran and Phyrexian and doesn't have Jace, The Mind Sculptor, so it might be -more balanced- than SOM/SOM/SOM or ZEN/WWK/WWK? I wasn't playing during then but from what I hear ZEN/ZEN/ZEN was pretty unbalanced itself, so...? EDIT: at least with MBS/MBS/SOM, Infect can reliably support more than two drafters at the table. But I'm arguing in support of a format that doesn't exist outside of chill FNM scenes, so whatever panko fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jan 24, 2011 |
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Jan 24, 2011 18:27
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I don't mind small set X3 drafts for a few weeks after the set comes out. Gives me a chance to use new cards.
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At one of the LGS I used to play at, before I switched over to MTGO exclusively, once a week we would do wacky drafts where everyone just bought 3 packs of whatever they wanted and drafted. It was typically a clusterfuck of horrible cards with no synergy but often you would get some fun interactions. I had an infect deck with primal below and 2 vampire's bites, and another time I got crushed by a gigantiformed blackcleave goblin. And then occasionally people would bring in packs of The Dark, Mirage, Darksteel...ridiculous stuff. I was passed a naturalize very late when more than half the packs on the table were SOM. Anyway, I think MTGO would benefit from an option like that without detracting from real draft formats, since no ones forcing you to play it. Around this time SOM/SOM/SOM can get kind of stale, online still has a few weeks till MBS, I have no interest in legacy so ME4 is out, so my options are M11 or 4-3-2-2s of ROE and ZEN, and as we all know, 4-3-2-2 sucks.
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The Nastier Nate posted:Anyway, I think MTGO would benefit from an option like that without detracting from real draft formats, since no ones forcing you to play it. Around this time SOM/SOM/SOM can get kind of stale, online still has a few weeks till MBS, I have no interest in legacy so ME4 is out, so my options are M11 or 4-3-2-2s of ROE and ZEN, and as we all know, 4-3-2-2 sucks. There's a casual draft room where you can set up drafts with packs of whatever.
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MBS/SOM/SOM actually looks pretty painful to draft. The infect concentration looks much higher than in SOM, which means more people will try to get into infect or be forced into infect just because there's more infect in the packs. This means 3-4 people are likely to end up with a decent number of infect cards after pack 1, and then packs 2 and 3 just absolutely can't support 4 infect drafters at a single table. This means 2 of them will have to jump out to make all 4 of them have reasonable decks, but there's no good way of knowing whether you should jump out or not. Maybe it'll be a lot better with the third set if it's mostly infect, but I'm a little wary of people jumping into infect and getting forced into a terrible deck in MBS/SOM/SOM.
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Ultima66 posted:MBS/SOM/SOM actually looks pretty painful to draft. The infect concentration looks much higher than in SOM, which means more people will try to get into infect or be forced into infect just because there's more infect in the packs. This means 3-4 people are likely to end up with a decent number of infect cards after pack 1, and then packs 2 and 3 just absolutely can't support 4 infect drafters at a single table. This means 2 of them will have to jump out to make all 4 of them have reasonable decks, but there's no good way of knowing whether you should jump out or not. Well imagining that infect in MBS will have the card quality to support, say, 4 drafters, but in a bunch of weird colors like white infect and green proliferate. And then the SoM packs go around and any removal in the packs dry up real quick because the White infect dude is picking up all the removal in that color and yadda yadda, so anyone who went removal in MBS can pick up creatures and such in SoM.
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FancyMike posted:I can't be the only one who absolutely hates this. I have terrible memories of several zen/wwk/wwk drafts because people were more interested in opening new cards instead of drafting a sensible format. mbs/mbs/som doesn't look like it would be very balanced. MBS looks like its adding a lot of the cards that should have been in SOM to balance the broke-rear end format that is SOM. Things like common removal that can actually address the 900 bombs in the format in colors that aren't red and white, etc.
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Sigma-X posted:MBS looks like its adding a lot of the cards that should have been in SOM to balance the broke-rear end format that is SOM. Things like common removal that can actually address the 900 bombs in the format in colors that aren't red and white, etc. I like Mirrodin Besieged, I just don't want to do a bunch of mbs/mbs/som.
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Just tried to record another draft. Second round opponent had Geth, Carnifax Demon, and Steel Hellkite. My only playable rare was Grand Architect. ggs.
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Drunk drafted SOM with my friend the other night. Ended up in blue white and opened a Venser. Also played True Conviction and Volition Reins so our mana was kinda nuts. The highlight of the evening was using Volition Reins to enchant one of my own islands.  Ended up going 1-2 in the swiss. 1 pack + venser = free draft, though. http://www.raredraft.com/watch?d=2m5nt
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some preliminary thoughts: playing around Choking Fumes as well as Dispense Justice is going to make attacking into open 2W a real pain. The blowout potential is huge  I want Titan Forge to be usable, but given the sheer amount of artifact removal, it probably won't be. On the bright side, artifact removal looks more relevant against infect, who will play more artifacts than they do in triple SoM (unless infect was completely open at the table, in which case you're probably not winning that match anyways) Viridian Claw looks like a house. Ironically, the best equipment in the block for Infect decks is watermarked Mirran. Piston Sledge isn't far behind, though: sending with a 4/2 Plague Stinger on turn three against an unprepared opponent seems really good. What look like the best commons per color: White 5. Tine Shrike 4. Banishment Decree 3. Priests of Norn 2. Leonin Skyhunter 1. Divine Offering White's commons are kind of crappy. Blue 5. Fuel for the Cause 4. Serum Raker 3. Steel Sabotage 2. Spire Serpent 1. Quicksilver Geyser It's hard to get a good read on Vivisection, Mirran Spy, and Turn the Tide. They -could- be quality cards, given the proper circumstances, but for now I don't know. Black 5. Scourge Servant 4. Phyrexian Rager 3. Morbid Plunder 2. Virulent Wound 1. Black's commons are also kind of bad. Virulent Wound looks pretty sweet, though. Mana myr look much weaker with this set. Red 5. Rally the Forces 4. Kuldotha Ringleader 3. Blisterstick Shaman 2. Crush 1. Burn the Impure Honorable mention: Concussive Bolt. Red looks real good. Green 5. Mirran Mettle 4. Blightwidow 3. Rot Wolf 2. Fangren Marauder 1. Viridian Emissary Honorable mentions: Pistus Strike, Unnatural Predation, Tangle Mantis. Green's pretty deep. Artifacts 5. Flayer Husk 4. Dross Ripper 3. Myr Sire 2. Phyrexian Digester 1. Razorfield Rhino Myr Sire's only there for the potential shenanigans possible with sacrifice effects. There's no artifact on the level of Tumble Magnet or Glint Hawk Idol in this set, which is sad, but at least it'll help push people towards colors in the first pack. What the hell, more no-experience lists: Top 10 Best Uncommons 10. Viridian Claw 9. Mortarpod 8. Flesh-Eater Imp 7. Corrupted Conscience 6. Choking Fumes 5. Kuldotha Flamefiend 4. Into the Core 3. Vedalken Anatomist 2. Viridian Corrupter 1. Go for the Throat Top 10 Best Non-Rare Infect Cards 10. Priests of Norn 9. Plague Myr 8. Scourge Servant 7. Core Prowler 6. Blightwidow 5. Septic Rats 4. Rot Wolf 3. Phyrexian Juggernaut 2. Viridian Corrupter 1. Flesh-Eater Imp Top 10 Best Non-Rare Infect Support Cards 10. Skinwing 9. Mirran Mettle 8. Piston Sledge 7. Unnatural Predation 6. Mortarpod 5. Viridian Claw 4. Morbid Plunder 3. Plaguemaw Beast 2. Corrupted Conscience 1. Spread the Sickness I look forward to reading these in a couple of months and being pleasantly surprised at how inaccurate some of this ended up being
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Jan 26, 2011 13:45
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Thoughts on which faction to choose at the prerelease? It really seems like infect is going to be insanely strong, but on the other hand I hate playing infect and I don't want to end up with a pile of worthless infect cards afterwards. I want to believe that they balanced it, but I look at half of the new infect cards and pretty much feel like if my opponent plays them and I don't have removal, I scoop.
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Jan 26, 2011 17:59
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Remember that 50% of your cards are from Scars, so R/W will remain strong and those are mirran colors. Of course, the best bombs in scars are mostly artifacts which can be played in either deck.
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Jan 26, 2011 18:03
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All but two Red cards are Mirran, and all but two Black cards (including a rare) are Phyrexian. It looks to me that Mirran players will be playing R/x metalcraft/battlecry/dinosaurs (lots of big green dudes to choose in Mirran faction) and the Phyrexian players will be running B/G/x Infect. One thing to consider is that in Scars all the infect dudes were tiny, and an embersmith or arc trail was a blowout against their army of plague stingers and ichorclaw myrs. That's not the case in Besieged, and attacking with infectious hill giants might just make the infect archetype a whole lot better than people expect.
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Jan 26, 2011 18:35
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I said it before in the main thread but if you aren't playing infect watch out for Fangren Marauder. He is going to gain you at least 10 life through out a game. Combine with a Liquidmetal coating and or a Viridian Revel for more life and or cards. That being said I am probably going Phyrexian just becasue I am looking for Phyrexian marked cards for my Valakut deck.
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Yep. Sealed in SOM/SOM/SOM meant you either opened a Skythrix and a Hand of the Praetors, or you played R/W. Red and White were so deep in Scars that it took some really impressive infect cards to avoid playing all of that beatdown. In MBS, Mirran's common removal doubles Phyrexia's common removal, and still has Blast and Turn to Slag from Scars on top. Phyrexia's card advantage is undeniable, though. Vivisection, Morbid Plunder, Rager, Choking Fumes, the Living Weapons, Rot Wolf, Proliferation, and even more. I'm playing Mirran because all of its cards work toward the same end. Dealing twenty damage. Phyrexia's cards are often doing two different things. Phyrexia's cards are half "lets just poison his coffee" and half "Or we could hit him with a pipe and take his wallet" whereas Mirran just says "lets just stab him in the face!"
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:sperg: Now that the complete spoiler is up, I've crunched numbers. I've classified every card in SOM and the Phyrexian side of MBS as either Infect/Non-Infect/Versatile, ignored Mythics (I think they're non-segregated in MBS faction packs), and come up with the average number of playables in each colour and archetype depending on the faction you choose. Cards with "Infect" on them go in the infect pile, cards that only deal regular damage go in the "Mirran" pile, and removal, equipment, mana Myr, and tricks go in the "Versatile" pile. I've done so with absolutely no regard to the actual playability of the card, so Venser's Journal shows up as a Mirran playable, and Assault Strobe is listed as playable under both Mirran and Infect, but it still gives a good idea of the depth of options you'll have when building your decks.  So, you can choose Mirran and go for a R/W, R/U or W/U deck, go Phyrexian and an Infect deck that'll have fewer deckbuilding options, or go Phyrexian and a B/U, B/G or G/U Metalcraft deck (lol).
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Part of what I did to decide which faction to play was write down the playables in one big list, divided by rarity. Mirran outweighed Phyrexia by quite a bit, and was much more skewed to common than Phyrexia.
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Imaduck posted:Just tried to record another draft. Second round opponent had Geth, Carnifax Demon, and Steel Hellkite. My only playable rare was Grand Architect. ggs. I like watching your draft videos but can you separate each part (drafting/deck building and then each round of each game)? I don't know about other people but I like to watch a round or two when I have some free time and the way your videos were separated made that difficult to do. Otherwise, great job (although gg to opponents opening bomb rares)!
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iloverice posted:I like watching your draft videos but can you separate each part (drafting/deck building and then each round of each game)? I don't know about other people but I like to watch a round or two when I have some free time and the way your videos were separated made that difficult to do. Otherwise, great job (although gg to opponents opening bomb rares)!
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Just chiming in to say that I'm also watching and enjoying your videos, Imaduck. I'll throw a link to your draft playlists in the OP when I update it for Mirrodin Besieged.
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For the prerelease, do all your cards have to share the same faction symbol or are you free to use Mirran cards from your SOM boosters/Mythics in your Phyrexia deck and vice versa?
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