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Tempest_56 posted:By my math, you have three positioning options. For the love of god, don't do this. Literally the most likely outcome is he punches a large laser into you, you miss him completely and nothing is accomplished, because your lancemates will be out of position. You need to draw him forward!
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Agent Interrobang posted:I sowwwwwwwwy. Yeah, Clan ones don't really fit in to my thing anyway. Also I picture them as the Coke commercial from The Invention of Lying ("Coke. It's very famous.")
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:For the love of god, don't do this. Literally the most likely outcome is he punches a large laser into you, you miss him completely and nothing is accomplished, because your lancemates will be out of position. I am highly skeptical that the Hussar will willingly walk into an ambush. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the Hussar happily ignores the trap and moves around to a different firing angle. I think the best chance at getting him would be to spread out over a large area and pin him in. A single large laser isn't that dangerous, even in the hands of a skilled gunner.
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:For the love of god, don't do this. Literally the most likely outcome is he punches a large laser into you, you miss him completely and nothing is accomplished, because your lancemates will be out of position.
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:For the love of god, don't do this. Literally the most likely outcome is he punches a large laser into you, you miss him completely and nothing is accomplished, because your lancemates will be out of position. Yes, exactly. Engaging the Hussar this turn is a really bad idea at best. I was just demonstrating the best possible options. None of which are actually good. KnoxZone posted:I am highly skeptical that the Hussar will willingly walk into an ambush. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the Hussar happily ignores the trap and moves around to a different firing angle. I think the best chance at getting him would be to spread out over a large area and pin him in. A single large laser isn't that dangerous, even in the hands of a skilled gunner. Except that the single large laser IS a threat. And bluntly? It's already pinned in. If the Hussar wants to engage there's nowhere to go but towards the lights. Thanks to the hill and the forest, there isn't another good firing angle. And even with 2 gun, shooting through several light woods into partial cover isn't a good idea.
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I'm going to fire on it to keep the focus off the lights while they withdraw, the vulcan will still be in a fire arc no matter what it does, it is the most vulnerable, after it goes to cover i'll jump back and draw it in.
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Jan 31, 2011 21:58
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So I'm doing this massive decomposition of a database so that I can represent and analyze its topology. It's been running four two days, using 2.5GB of RAM and a massive computer, and I'm looking at it and looking at it and I keep thinking, "Why does this look so familiar?" Oh, because it's the Inner Sphere. I'm totally going to say, "Out in the periphery" during the presentation and see if there's a single BT guy in the audience.
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Jan 31, 2011 22:00
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I'm kind of curious...Does anybody know what the piloting stats of some of the major FCs are? Just for context I'm trying to find what the stats are for, like Victor Steiner, Kai Allard-Lao, Natasha Kerensky, and all of thems are. I can't find any reference to their actual stats in any of the books though.
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Gothsheep posted:I'm kind of curious...Does anybody know what the piloting stats of some of the major FCs are? You want scenario books where the major figures appear. The Great Refusal scenario has stats for KAL and VSD. Off the top of my head, I think 0/0 and 3/3 respectively. Phelan was, I think, a 1/2. E: For some reason I have always used G/P instead of P/G. It never occurred to me this is the 'wrong' way until this thread. Huh. The Merry Marauder fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jan 31, 2011 |
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Axe-man posted:I'm going to fire on it to keep the focus off the lights while they withdraw, the vulcan will still be in a fire arc no matter what it does, it is the most vulnerable, after it goes to cover i'll jump back and draw it in. Nooooooo! He can jump to 1013, and he will be totally protected by the hill in front of him.
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The Merry Marauder posted:You want scenario books where the major figures appear. The Great Refusal scenario has stats for KAL and VSD. Off the top of my head, I think 0/0 and 3/3 respectively. Phelan was, I think, a 1/2. VSD is a 4/2
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Gothsheep posted:I'm kind of curious...Does anybody know what the piloting stats of some of the major FCs are? You can find them piecemeal, mostly in older sourcebooks. They vary pretty wildly depending on the timeframe. In Tales of the Black Widow and 4th Succession War Atlas, Natasha Kerensky is listed as being a 4/3 pilot. In More Tales of the Black Widow and The Falcon and The Wolf, she was 0/0.
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Xmas Future posted:VSD is a 4/2 Fair enough, it's been ten years. I do remember (from Luthien) that Jaime Wolf and Morgan Kell were ~3/3 but had an odd special ability (quite apart from phantoming) that let them do something like shoot as if the range to target was halved. It occurs to me now that the Great Refusal is a scenario than comes with MegaMek, so anyone could just boot that up and look at quite a few notables.
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Thinking about Victor got me thinking about Prometheus. Which led to me thinking about clan omnimechs in general. The most well-known omnimechs are the ones used primarily by the primary invading clans (Wolves, Falcons, Bears, Cats, and Jaguars). These clans aren't going to be much of a presence this time. Which leads me to my question to someone who knows more about the other clans: What are some notable mechs we can expect to see fielded by Steel Vipers, Hell's Horses, and Goliath Scorpions? I assume the Widowmakers will probably end up fielding mechs similar to the ones the Wolves ended up developing.
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KnoxZone posted:Thinking about Victor got me thinking about Prometheus. Which led to me thinking about clan omnimechs in general. The most well-known omnimechs are the ones used primarily by the primary invading clans (Wolves, Falcons, Bears, Cats, and Jaguars). These clans aren't going to be much of a presence this time. Which leads me to my question to someone who knows more about the other clans: Hell's Horses will probably hit us with lots of tanks and armor. The Goliath Scorpions really, really like <REDACTED>. Steel Vipers should be a fairly normal mix; iirc they like medium mechs with some heavies, though I could be wrong. Their totem mech is a 4/6 100-tonner, so who knows? Basically, we're not going to be facing your daddy's Clans. Mukaikubo fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jan 31, 2011 |
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^^^ The Steel Viper totem 'Mech is actually a 40 ton medium 'Mech called the Battle Cobra.Gothsheep posted:I'm kind of curious...Does anybody know what the piloting stats of some of the major FCs are? Adam Steiner: g2 p2 Aiden Pryde: g0 p0 Anastasius Focht: g1 p2 The Bounty Hunter: g0 p0 Dan Allard: g2 p3 Grayson Death Carlyle: g1 p1 Hohiro Kurita: g2 p3 Jamie Wolf: g0 p0 Jeremiah "I cheat and everyone still thinks I'm awesome, gently caress you" Rose: g1 p2 Kai Allard-Liao: g0 p0 Loren Jaffray: g4 p5 Marthe Pryde: g1 p2 Morgan Kell: g0 p0 Natasha Kerensky: g0 p0 Nicolai Malthus: g1 p2 Phelan Kell: g1 p1 Shin Yodama: g1 p1 Takashi Kurita: g4 p4 Theodore Kurita: g4 p4 Victor Steiner-Davion: g2 p4 Vlad Ward: g1 p2 Hanse Davion, Maximillian Liao, and quite a few others never got listed stats. An out-of-practice 'Mechwarrior (like Takashi Kurita) will generally revert to a 4/4 4/5 or so (4/5 is an 'average' pilot). Hanse Davion is most likely g2 p3
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PoptartsNinja posted:^^^ The Steel Viper totem 'Mech is actually a 40 ton medium 'Mech called the Battle Cobra. Geeze, that's a lot more 0/0s than I was expecting.
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Gothsheep posted:Geeze, that's a lot more 0/0s than I was expecting. It's like playing a game of 'spot the Mary Sue / mentor character!'
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PoptartsNinja posted:^^^ The Steel Viper totem 'Mech is actually a 40 ton medium 'Mech called the Battle Cobra. Good news! We are both correct. But I am only correct after the Clan invasion. 
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Arglebargle III posted:The terrible truth is just that I have a degree in political science and can't shut up about this kind of thing. This explains everything (regarding my previous objection to your posting style). That list you posted PTN makes me wonder what they used as a dividing line between 0 and 1. And yes, 0/0s are surprisingly common.
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Zaodai posted:
Bah. As far as I'm concerned, there are only 3 who actually deserve the 0/0 rank. Kai Allard-Lao (Because someone's got to be that guy) Natasha Kerensky, and The Bounty Hunter.
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Surprised Aiden Pryde got the 0/0 designation. He was always seen as a really good mechwarrior, but I didn't think he was superior to Marthe, who is a 1/2. At least not until Tukayyid, I suppose.
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Mukaikubo posted:Good news! We are both correct. But I am only correct after the Clan invasion. I also consider the Naga and Crossbow to be Steel Viper totem 'Mechs (the Naga, because someone has to be responsible for it; and the Steel Vipers LOVE overspecialization; and the Naga is like, the Patron Saint of overspecialization. :/ )
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KnoxZone posted:Surprised Aiden Pryde got the 0/0 designation. He was always seen as a really good mechwarrior, but I didn't think he was superior to Marthe, who is a 1/2. At least not until Tukayyid, I suppose. I dunno. Aiden's Trial of Refusal is one of the fights in the novels I give the most props for. He was kind of a goofball otherwise until Tukayyid, though, and I guess Joanna gets half the credit for that Trial. Also, Justin Xiang should be higher rated than K A-L, because Kai makes reference to the fact that his dad can smoke him in his family mech 'sims. And because Justin is cooler.  quote:I also consider the Naga and Crossbow to be Steel Viper totem 'Mechs (the Naga, because someone has to be responsible for it; and the Steel Vipers LOVE overspecialization; and the Naga is like, the Patron Saint of overspecialization. :/ ) Well... the crossbow's an OK fire support mech if it has a close range guard, and the naga... is... a naga. I guess. I mean... sure? Why wouldn't you just mount the damned Arrow IVs on a tracked artillery platform? Seriously? Why wouldn't you do that instead? And it's not even something you can take out, no, because neither Arrow IV is part of an Omnipod. 
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Mukaikubo posted:I dunno. Aiden's Trial of Refusal is one of the fights in the novels I give the most props for. He was kind of a goofball otherwise until Tukayyid, though, and I guess Joanna gets half the credit for that Trial. I forgot all about the Trial of Refusal. Him and Joanna absolutely wrecked poo poo in that fight. Still, he totally failed his pilot check in the final trial for his Bloodname. What kind of 0 skill pilot does that
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Mukaikubo posted:Why wouldn't you just mount the damned Arrow IVs on a tracked artillery platform? Seriously? Why wouldn't you do that instead? And it's not even something you can take out, no, because neither Arrow IV is part of an Omnipod. At least the Naga has the distinction of not looking really silly unlike some other dedicated fire support mechs like oh say, the Yeoman.  Hey guys I got a great idea, lets take the concept of the Catapult, slap on even more missiles, leave it with no close-range weaponry whatsoever, and make it look ridiculous to boot!  And this is from the same people who produced the Wraith, which is a mech that is apparently somewhat amazing. So how they went from that to the Yeoman is a mystery. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Feb 1, 2011 |
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PoptartsNinja posted:^^^ The Steel Viper totem 'Mech is actually a 40 ton medium 'Mech called the Battle Cobra. I was so disappointed when I found out about the Battle Cobra. I was expecting a colossal mechanical snake, crushing trees beneath its armoured belly as it slithered through forests, then rearing up to provide an elevated gun platform for the weapons mounted in its head... Instead it's just a bog standard 'Mech that's vaguely shaped like a cobra's hood.
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Angry_Ed posted:At least the Naga has the distinction of not looking really silly unlike some other dedicated fire support mechs like oh say, the Yeoman. Truth be told if something can survive a barrage of that many missiles it probably deserves to live.
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Mukaikubo posted:Hell's Horses will probably hit us with lots of tanks and armor. The Goliath Scorpions really, really like <REDACTED>. Steel Vipers should be a fairly normal mix; iirc they like medium mechs with some heavies, though I could be wrong. Their totem mech is a 4/6 100-tonner, so who knows? HH also invented <REDACTED> so they are fond of them too. Their current Khan may even pilot one, not sure about PTNs timeline.
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Hey, give the Yeoman some credit. It knows what it wants to be. It's two legs, a cockpit, and a million billion missiles.
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Zaodai posted:This explains everything (regarding my previous objection to your posting style). I double-majored! I'm not ruined for ever! 
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I don't get why the designs that take the same thing, remove some ammo and staple on two pulse lasers or something are better. 90% of the time the pulse lasers aren't going to do poo poo, and the remaining 10% of the time you should be running away.
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<REDACTED> loving owns. I am really curious to how alternate history will handle them.
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Holy check, I’m not the only fan of the Sharks out there! For every rule that the Clans have, the Sharks are often enough the walking, talking exceptions to it. I enjoy seeing the traditional spit-and-polish Clans like the Falcons having the piss taken out of them by guys who recognize that most Clan trappings are impractical bullshit and appropriately give the barest minimum of fucks. Agent Interrobang posted:Yup! The Diamond Sharks preserved several sea fox specimens in captivity, and through a long, slow, and troubled breeding program, reintroduced them to the seas of Strana Mechty in 3100, which is when they changed their name back. I think the Snow Ravens got pissy about THAT, too.
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Oh, Battletech canon. May you always be as confusing and mislabeled as possible.  Also hey, yet another reason the Dark Age loving blows.
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Fun fact: back before they set a limit at 0/0, Morgan Kell was -1/-2.
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With who knows how many pages of material printed across hundreds of novels and sourcebooks, it's absurdly easy to get something wrong. I've seen guys on the official forums ask for where some detail everyone treated as fact was printed, only to have nobody know where it came from or even where to look.  Catalyst did a Very Good Thing by recruiting a team of the finest high-functioning spergs in the community to handle fact checking.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Hanse Davion is most likely g2 p3 Aidan Pryde, while awesome, I would have to rate as a 0/0 pilot simply because I've seen the stats of the rest of the Jade Falcon Galaxy for Tukayid..... For those interested, there are exactly two pilots listed as "Regular" instead of "Elite" or "Veteran", and two [REDACTED] of [REDACTED] are also "Regular" in the entire Jade Falcon Guards cluster. Then there's the other rules in effect from AToW which result in him, at worst, giving no bonus to the unit. It's... interesting. Natasha Kerensky is still a pure monster though, she just gives no gently caress about your special rules, you don't have them anymore.
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