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Holy hell. AJ English: quote:RawyaRageh #Gaddafi says a few words - I'm in #Tripoli, not in Venezuela #Libya
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berserker posted:This picture is much funnier if you imagine that instead of them going in for a handshake, they are in the process of a much more elaborate handshake, and are currently about to do the "backhand slap". That was the first image that popped in my head - the "Fresh Prince & Jazz" hand slap.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:11
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farraday posted:Don't be obtuse. Mubarak wouldn't have done half the things that have happened so far in Egypt. Claiming it is all a power shuffle with nothing changes is just paranoid conspiracy theorizing. Just because a few concessions have been made doesn't mean the same power brokers aren't running things hth.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:11
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Xandu posted:I think it was just that short clip saying "hey guys I"m still here, not in Venezuela" Right, looks like he was on briefly and then the image disappeared.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:12
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Mr.Showtime posted:You lost me here cause you don't know what you're talking about. You know Mubarak's family's assets are being seized right now and that many of his old corrupted cronies are being tried soon, right? Mohamad Al Tantawi is definitely a Mubarak man but their relationship wasn't the best over the past few years and Tantawi never really got into politics so he couldn't be counted among his "cronies".
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Feb 22, 2011 01:12
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Mr.Showtime posted:Just because a few concessions have been made doesn't mean the same power brokers aren't running things hth. Yes, nothing's changed, you're absolutely right. Well done you spotted the secret conspiracy.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:13
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farraday posted:Yes, nothing's changed, you're absolutely right. Well done you spotted the secret conspiracy. Secret conspiracy? Tantawi was a Mubarak man and furthermore a military man. The military has been completely entwined with Mubarak and his regime and while certain cronies have been gone after that doesn't mean that some of the original power base is not still running things and looking to protect their interests.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:20
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Ham posted:There are about 500,000 Egyptians living and working in Libya who are now being specifically targeted along with Tunisians by Qaddafi's people after his son's speech last night, so that's a pretty serious cause but I don't see the military intervering other than in humanitarian ways. Also 15,000 Egyptians have crossed the border into Egypt today, so far. Half a million Egyptians in Libya? That's a tremendous amount for a country of six million people!! What is this figure based on, and where are they locationed?
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Feb 22, 2011 01:22
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Rock that umbrella.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:23
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Nenonen posted:Half a million Egyptians in Libya? That's a tremendous amount for a country of six million people!! What is this figure based on, and where are they locationed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_diaspora quote:An estimated 2.7 million Egyptians abroad contribute actively to the development of their country through remittances (US$ 7.8 in 2009), circulation of human and social capital, as well as investment. Approximately 70% of Egyptian migrants live in Arab countries (923,600 in Saudi Arabia, about 500,000 in Jordan, 332,600 in Libya, and 190,550 in Kuwait with the rest elsewhere in the region) and the remaining 30% are living mostly in Europe and North America (318,000 in the US, 110,000 in Canada and 90,000 in Italy).[1] based on this: http://www.egypt.iom.int/Doc/IOM%20Migration%20and%20Development%20in%20Egypt%20Facts%20and%20Figures%20(English).pdf also http://twitter.com/bencnn/status/39840275790569472 quote:Egyptian border officials say 15,000 Egyptians crossed Monday from #Libya to #Egypt.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:26
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From @bencnn, inside Libya. "Leader of anti-Qaddafi movement told me Libyan army in the east has sided with revolt, in consultations with anti-Qaddafi forces. #Libya"
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Feb 22, 2011 01:27
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Nenonen posted:Half a million Egyptians in Libya? That's a tremendous amount for a country of six million people!! What is this figure based on, and where are they locationed? Well if you have enough time for this PDF... quote:Approximately 70% of Egyptian migrants live in Arab countries (923,600 in Saudi Arabia, about 500,000 in Jordan, 332,600 in Libya, and 190,550 in Kuwait with the rest elsewhere in the region) and the remaining 30% are living mostly in Europe and North America (318,000 in the US, 110,000 in Canada and 90,000 in Italy). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptians The Egyptians in Libya figure is from the 90s and government released statistics show it's increased.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:30
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Uglycat posted:That's certainly a direction the western leadership could pursue. There's no reason they couldn't no. Nobody has ever said that. Capital can do a lot of things. They wouldn't, however, because there's no point. It introduces a chance for things to not go your way. Why risk it for the sake of moral obligations that have no hold on you? An election might provide someone friendly to your interests, but that's a lot less likely and a lot less durable than a puppet. Seriously why are you going into this thinking anything other than "HOW CAN I MAKE THE MOST MONEY. I'VE BEEN MAKING TOP DOLLAR WITH THIS poo poo LET'S KEEP DOING THAT"
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Feb 22, 2011 01:30
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Xandu posted:Rock that umbrella. You guys are silly. That there is Carlos Santana. 
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Feb 22, 2011 01:30
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Xandu posted:From @bencnn, inside Libya. oooh poo poo, here we go...
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Feb 22, 2011 01:30
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That umbrella video is....so bizarre.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:35
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I hope this won't mean a full fledged civil war will erupt. That would tremendously suck. On a less sensitive not, it does create a nice Tom Clancy novel if Libya's WMDs still existed, if they were ever manufactured that is.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:35
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Fragrag posted:I hope this won't mean a full fledged civil war will erupt. That would tremendously suck. A civil war actually requires two sides.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:36
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"I went to talk to the young people in Green Square. I wanted to spend the night with them, but it started raining. I want you to know that I am in Tripoli, not in Venezuela. Do not believe the imperialist media." -A soon-to-be-dead man
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Feb 22, 2011 01:36
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Fragrag posted:I hope this won't mean a full fledged civil war will erupt. That would tremendously suck. Dismantled by the US/UK and IAEA in 2003, I believe. Lucky thing to, or Qaddafi would be nuking crowds of unarmed protesters to maintain his hold on power.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:38
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Suntory BOSS posted:Dismantled by the US/UK and IAEA in 2003, I believe. Lucky thing to, or Qaddafi would be nuking crowds of unarmed protesters to maintain his hold on power. His WMDs only consisted of chemical weapons. Your point still holds: he'd have gladly gassed all of Tripoli to hold on to power.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:39
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Syphilicious! posted:There's no reason they couldn't no. Nobody has ever said that. Capital can do a lot of things. They wouldn't, however, because there's no point. It introduces a chance for things to not go your way. Why risk it for the sake of moral obligations that have no hold on you? An election might provide someone friendly to your interests, but that's a lot less likely and a lot less durable than a puppet. Right. They've not gotten involved (thus far) because 1) it's all happening so fast, and they need time to react, and 2) because there's no real advantage in intervening. But that doesn't mean that IF they intervene, they are doing so for purely and naively selfish reasons. IF they intervene, they've clearly decided it is in their self-interest to do so. Not disputing that. But the assertion that the only thing they would possibly view as being 'worth it' is to seize control of resources and dominate the people is absurd. There are plenty of other (self-interested) motivations that nations could pursue that would lead to intervention in /loving war crimes/.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:40
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Suntory BOSS posted:Dismantled by the US/UK and IAEA in 2003, I believe. Lucky thing to, or Qaddafi would be nuking crowds of unarmed protesters to maintain his hold on power. if by nukes you mean mustard gas then yeah
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Feb 22, 2011 01:41
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The Brown Menace posted:A civil war actually requires two sides. The tweet specifies the military forces in the east, which I assume isn't the whole Libyan military.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:41
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Fragrag posted:The tweet specifies the military forces in the east, which I assume isn't the whole Libyan military. It's also not his personal force or hired mercenaries.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:43
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Feb 22, 2011 01:44
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Uglycat posted:Right. They've not gotten involved (thus far) because 1) it's all happening so fast, and they need time to react, and 2) because there's no real advantage in intervening. If there was U.S. military intervention then Libyan atrocities would probably stop but it's fairly likely that we would simply replace them with our own troops randomly shooting civilians and it's a safe bet that we would also ensure a pro-Western government developed. What the hell else motivations are going to prompt intervention? 9/11 wasn't even enough to get full support for the invasion of Iraq, public perception of that war was comparatively negative. What could possibly make the U.S. think it should get involved besides the same old motivations that have always driven its actions?
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Feb 22, 2011 01:49
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Nckdictator posted:I have a feeling there's going to be some hilarious back-peddeling in the next few weeks I think in most cases, it's just that most people had no idea he was capable of this. It's like you have an annoying kid that you babysit, and you expect him to annoy you and create tedious problems, but you never expect him to go outside for five minutes and return with the neighbour's disembodied head.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:49
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Syphilicious! posted:If there was U.S. military intervention then Libyan atrocities would probably stop but it's fairly likely that we would simply replace them with our own troops randomly shooting civilians and it's a safe bet that we would also ensure a pro-Western government developed. Well, bombing the poo poo out of Libya is sort of a national pastime. Our parents did it, our grandparents did it, our great-great grandparents did it...
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Feb 22, 2011 01:51
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"I just wanted to tell everyone that I'm not in Venezuela anymore - I mean! Uhhhh... THIS INTERVIEW'S OVER!"
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Feb 22, 2011 01:51
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ChaosSamusX posted:I think in most cases, it's just that most people had no idea he was capable of this. It's like you have an annoying kid that you babysit, and you expect him to annoy you and create tedious problems, but you never expect him to go outside for five minutes and return with the neighbour's disembodied head. I suppose that might be true.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:51
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VikingSkull posted:Well, bombing the poo poo out of Libya is sort of a national pastime. Our parents did it, our grandparents did it, our great-great grandparents did it... *ring ring* Yeah hey Lizzie. Guess what. It's time for round three
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Feb 22, 2011 01:54
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Feb 22, 2011 01:59
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I'll never look at Mugabe and Chavez the same again.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:59
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Warm und Fuzzy posted:I'll never look at Mugabe and Chavez the same again. Umm the goatman is white not black or latin american. That isn't either dictator that's just a random dude.
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Feb 22, 2011 02:00
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VikingSkull posted:Well, bombing the poo poo out of Libya is sort of a national pastime. Our parents did it, our grandparents did it, our great-great grandparents did it... From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of... remind me, where again?
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Feb 22, 2011 02:00
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Is that Gaddafi recently? This looks to be stressing him out.
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Feb 22, 2011 02:00
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Shandy posted:[Image of what anti-aircraft ammo can do to an rear end in a top hat] Simply BRUTAL. 
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Feb 22, 2011 02:01
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betaraywil posted:From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of... remind me, where again? probably Benghazi this time with gold rings on
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Shandy posted:Terribleness I agree, that is an excellent summation of the Gaddafi administration.
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