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wildmamboqueen posted:No, he was crazy. I watched the whole thing on AJE, and quite frankly, he was nuts. Yeah exactly. I thought it was the translator at first but after switching interpreter the individual sentences and grammar made a bit more sense but the overall points were still all over the place and just inane ramblings.
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wildmamboqueen posted:Can I ask? Where is Anon on this? Still in basements throughout the US and Europe?
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Ace Oliveira posted:Carpet. That carpet is going to be worth a lot of money in like 6 weeks e: Holy poo poo. The loving State TV showing like 38 people with floodlights on them. It looks like a "Dance till you Die" competition in hour 37. I laughed so hard. Sivias fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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Feb 23, 2011 00:42
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wildmamboqueen posted:No, he was crazy. I watched the whole thing on AJE, and quite frankly, he was nuts. I was honestly amazed how they could seriously discuss his speech after the fact. I think my commentary would have been "He is loving crazy" and nothing more. He was rambling about all sorts of stuff, and clearly desperate at this point.
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Feb 23, 2011 00:46
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Cjones posted:So if Ahmadinejad is "Dinner Jacket", what is this loving guy The Style Council. Seriously he wears some cutting edge outfits, he's only second to Mugabe in
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Feb 23, 2011 00:46
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The Brown Menace posted:Still in basements throughout the US and Europe?
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wildmamboqueen posted:Can I ask? Where is Anon on this? http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/02/22/live-blog-libya-feb-22 Check the entries for 3:07 and 3:32 http://feb17.info/media/anonymous/ http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=215454646984933465708.00049c59184ae1136341a Uglycat fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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Feb 23, 2011 00:48
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wildmamboqueen posted:I really want the basement dwellers to rise up and make a stand. Come on Anon! They shall rise against the power but sit down 10 seconds later, breathing and wheezing heavily.
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Feb 23, 2011 00:48
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Bahrain just released famed Bahraini blogger Ali Abdulemam, arrested back in september.
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The Brown Menace posted:Still in basements throughout the US and Europe? I hope they stay there on this one. This isn't really their "thing".
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Feb 23, 2011 00:51
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BethelBAR posted:The Style Council. Seriously he wears some cutting edge outfits, he's only second to Mugabe in He's unique, but nobody could challenge the fashion sense of the late Zaire dictator Mobutu Sese Seko. "What's up, hoes."
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Uglycat posted:http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/02/22/live-blog-libya-feb-22 Thank you. Sharing this.
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BethelBAR posted:The Style Council. Seriously he wears some cutting edge outfits, he's only second to Mugabe in Meh, I think Hamid Karzai has them both beat. I've always gotten the impression that Karzai's the only one in Afghanistan that actually dresses like that.
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^^^Seriously, the guy in the suit with a drab hot dog hat thinks he can rival the best of Africa? He's a Mobutu wannabe without the access to exotic colourful wildlife.Nenonen posted:He's unique, but nobody could challenge the fashion sense of the late Zaire dictator Mobutu Sese Seko. Seko definitely had it goin' on, but he never fully grasped coordination, I don't mean that he kept falling over, but that leopard hat just doesn't go with most of his shirts. He really should have applied the Mugabe factor...  .... Uglycat posted:http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/02/22/live-blog-libya-feb-22 Silly question, but what happens to any remaining defecting pilots? They can't exactly radio their intent, nor take off without armaments without a flight plan? (referring to the no fly zone) BethelBAR fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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Feb 23, 2011 01:07
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BethelBAR posted:
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Their own base may well shoot them down.
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Xandu posted:Why not? If they have no problem burning soldiers alive in their barracks for refusing orders, they wont have much of a problem firing SAMs at their own aircraft.
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I don't know if the Libyan military is that capable at this point, but fair point.
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If the UN is going to institute a no fly zone, then what it's really doing is asking the US air force to shoot down Libyan planes. Because honestly, no other country has the capability to do it on such short notice.
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Feb 23, 2011 01:23
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Vladimir Putin posted:If the UN is going to institute a no fly zone, then what it's really doing is asking the US air force to shoot down Libyan planes. Because honestly, no other country has the capability to do it on such short notice.  What? The Italians are even closer.
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Feb 23, 2011 01:27
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Vladimir Putin posted:If the UN is going to institute a no fly zone, then what it's really doing is asking the US air force to shoot down Libyan planes. Because honestly, no other country has the capability to do it on such short notice. This is short sighted. Everyone in NATO can do this, especially France and Germany.
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Vladimir Putin posted:If the UN is going to institute a no fly zone, then what it's really doing is asking the US air force to shoot down Libyan planes. Because honestly, no other country has the capability to do it on such short notice. One problem with a no-fly zone is that the Libyan AA network would immediately be involved. If you want total air superiority its gonna involve SEAD and that means attacking ground targets - missile launchers and the associated radar systems, as well as static and self-propelled AA guns. Intervention from anyone would turn into a full-on air campaign REALLY quick.
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Can fighter jets from Italy loiter for extended periods of time over Libya? I was thinking that an aircraft carrier would need to be parked off the coast and jets scrambled when something is picked up by radar. In any event I can't envision Italy or any other European country for that matter getting involved without the US.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Can fighter jets from Italy loiter for extended periods of time over Libya? I was thinking that an aircraft carrier would need to be parked off the coast and jets scrambled when something is picked up by radar. Umm, okay.
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Vladimir Putin posted:If the UN is going to institute a no fly zone, then what it's really doing is asking the US air force to shoot down Libyan planes. Because honestly, no other country has the capability to do it on such short notice.
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BIG HORNY COW posted:One problem with a no-fly zone is that the Libyan AA network would immediately be involved. If you want total air superiority its gonna involve SEAD and that means attacking ground targets - missile launchers and the associated radar systems, as well as static and self-propelled AA guns. This is absolutely true. Whoever is enforcing the no fly zone needs to be willing to bomb ground targets when they get painted by radar or fired on from the ground. Craiglen posted:This is short sighted. Everyone in NATO can do this, especially France and Germany. What is the over air time from Germany and France to Libya?
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Feb 23, 2011 01:32
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Vladimir Putin posted:This is absolutely true. Whoever is enforcing the no fly zone needs to be willing to bomb ground targets when they get painted by radar or fired on from the ground. Three hours I'd guess
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The Italians might be capable, but they'd never do it. BIG HORNY COW posted:One problem with a no-fly zone is that the Libyan AA network would immediately be involved. If you want total air superiority its gonna involve SEAD and that means attacking ground targets - missile launchers and the associated radar systems, as well as static and self-propelled AA guns. That's absolutely true. It might still be worth it, hard to say, but the complete lack of even symbolic action is just appalling.
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Xandu posted:I don't know if the Libyan military is that capable at this point, but fair point. It really is difficult to know what they can do. Not simply because of probably unrealistic paper strength, but because we don't know what individual units are doing or who they're tied to and what they're thinking. The situation is simply incredibly messy. However, I would guess that someone who wanted to defect in an airplane probably has a pretty good chance of making it out. Edit// The presumption that forces loyal to Gaddafi have full control over the air defense system seems highly premature. farraday fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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Cjones posted:Three hours I'd guess In those three hours the Libyan aircraft would would have bombed a bunch of civilians and returned home. What you really need for an effective no fly zone is for aircraft to be stationed in theatre, preferably in a country next door, or an aircraft carrier. Someon did mention Malta though.
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BIG HORNY COW posted:One problem with a no-fly zone is that the Libyan AA network would immediately be involved. If you want total air superiority its gonna involve SEAD and that means attacking ground targets - missile launchers and the associated radar systems, as well as static and self-propelled AA guns. So, that would mean that those Libyan AA guns would 1) not be chopping up large numbers of protesters and 2) be blown the gently caress up, preventing them from chopping up large numbers of protesters. I see no problem with this.
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Feb 23, 2011 01:34
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Swift emergency meeting leads to outraged UN Leader, and only an outraged UN Leader, and it will always only be that.
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farraday posted:It really is difficult to know what they can do. Not simply because of probably unrealistic paper strength, but because we don't know what individual units are doing or who they're tied to and what they're thinking. That's what I meant, along with which areas of the country the military is capable of projecting force, for instance the east seems to be out of its control from the ground. I've heard that Gaddafi is only engaging his most loyal troops and not the majority of the military because he doesn't want to risk them all defecting, but I can't seem to find the source anymore.
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Xandu posted:The Italians might be capable, but they'd never do it. I agree with this 100%.
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Xandu posted:The Italians might be capable, but they'd never do it.
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Vladimir Putin posted:This is absolutely true. Whoever is enforcing the no fly zone needs to be willing to bomb ground targets when they get painted by radar or fired on from the ground. Young Freud posted:So, that would mean that those Libyan AA guns would 1) not be chopping up large numbers of protesters and 2) be blown the gently caress up, preventing them from chopping up large numbers of protesters. The problem with this is that it goes from "providing support" to a major military operation involving hundreds of sorties and strikes against ground targets. The only group who can realistically pull this off is the US Military (and the Israelis but that is COMPLETELY out of the question). Total air superiority over Libya would be great for the protesters but I think we've lost any kind of credibility to provide such a thing and it will get reduced to THE US IS loving US AGAIN no matter what the level of involvement. BIG HORNY COW fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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Toplowtech posted:Not if you tell them they can also use their navy to stop all those boats full of illegal immigrants sailing toward their coast. Also tell Silvio he can screw Qaddafi's virgin guard once he's gone.
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The Brown Menace posted:Also tell Silvio he can screw Qaddafi's virgin guard once he's gone.
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MJ_Turbo posted:are you mocking me or what, i just think he looks a bit like him No. I just thought you literally meant whenever you see Gaddafi you also see snoop dog. The joke was that snoop dog has been all around TV recently, and fox and friends are choosing to ignore most of the detail of these riots, if they tell you at all.
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