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gimpsuitjones posted:how does one not get guillotined when shooting a double. (I cannot wrestle at all) My answer to this is to abandon your shot as soon as possible and turn it into a guard pull, or just shoot singles, but I know that's not what you were looking for.
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Who Gotch Ya posted:My answer to this is to abandon your shot as soon as possible and turn it into a guard pull, or just shoot singles, but I know that's not what you were looking for. Go straight to x-guard.
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Bundt Cake posted:both times ive seen xande beat roger he did it in a very lame manner involving abusing the points for takedowns. I remember it well because I read an interview with Drysdale where he said basically the only way anyones going to beat roger is by doing that,
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Go straight to x-guard. Yeah dropping straight to x guard rules too. The "pick them up and put them down on their back" move from x guard is so much easier than shooting a double.
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Who Gotch Ya posted:Yeah dropping straight to x guard rules too. The "pick them up and put them down on their back" move from x guard is so much easier than shooting a double. My go to move is arm drag, if that fails-single, if that fails-drop to x. I don't care how it translates because I'm there to have fun not to win fights.
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the yellow dart posted:For reference, even Koscheck has said that they train in the gi at AKA. This is a guy who has been wrestling since he was literally in the womb, but trains in the gi because it makes him a more technical submission wrestler. Training in the gi is a good way to get good at BJJ and submission wrestling, not just for the gi, but in general. well a counter point didn't josh barnett win no gi worlds and he has never trained in a gi I believe
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shizen posted:well a counter point didn't josh barnett win no gi worlds and he has never trained in a gi I believe Against who?
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gimpsuitjones posted:how does one not get guillotined when shooting a double. (I cannot wrestle at all) As others have said, the main trick is to keep your head up which wrecks the angles needed for a guillotine. Alternatively, if you're like me and terrible at wrestling but still insist on shooting, let them get the guillotine, pass to side control when you land, and sub them with a Von Flue choke.
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My slightly under one year of gi bjj and one class of no gi has led me to the following over-simplified conclusion : gi has more moves.
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Also, if you are a lot bigger and stronger than your training partners, taking your Gi off almost feels like cheating because you can just power your way out of a lot of what they are trying to do. With the Gi you can't budge the small fuckers unless you use technique.
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I haven't done any training for a year. My brother wants me to teach him some boxing so I my stuff out. My mouthpiece doesn't fit as perfectly as it used to, should I just re-boil and bite or do I need to buy a new one?
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RobBorer posted:I haven't done any training for a year. My brother wants me to teach him some boxing so I my stuff out. My mouthpiece doesn't fit as perfectly as it used to, should I just re-boil and bite or do I need to buy a new one? They usually reboil fine, but if it doesn't, they're only like 99 cents at wal-mart anyway.
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fatherdog posted:Correct, people never wear long sleeve jackets and pants in real life. ricardo arona is the best no gi grappler of all time, and instead of doing pajama grappling he surfs and tans.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Against who? i think he lost in the final to romulo and it wasn't a world championship.
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Gomi Pile posted:i think he lost in the final to romulo and it wasn't a world championship. He lost to Romulo in the finals of a gi tournament, but a week or two before he won the No-Gi World Championships. Also Josh's coach is a BJJ blackbelt.
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generatrix posted:As others have said, the main trick is to keep your head up which wrecks the angles needed for a guillotine. Alternatively, if you're like me and terrible at wrestling but still insist on shooting, let them get the guillotine, pass to side control when you land, and sub them with a Von Flue choke.
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Chortles posted:Warning: doesn't work against a McKenzietine, in that passing to side control doesn't alleviate the blood choke. True, and my response was more of the comedy options anyways. For the serious record: do not willingly dive into a guillotine. Keep your head up (they can't choke you with their armpit).
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fatherdog posted:where are you reading that, because I'm pretty sure it's not true Loss Alexandre Ribeiro Points (4-2) World Jiu-Jitsu Championship (Absolute Division) 2008 Final Loss Alexandre Ribeiro Points World Jiu-Jitsu Championship (Absolute Division) 2006 Final Win Alexandre Ribeiro Submission (Triangle) Pan American Jiu-Jitsu Championship 2006 Absolute Final Loss Alexandre Ribeiro Advantage Pan American Jiu-Jitsu Championship 2006 Weight Final It's wikipedia though, but reading it was what prompted the question.
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Incidentally, Roger claimed that the last loss in 2008 was influenced by his MMA training that year (I assume for the Yuki Kondo fight), so he skipped MMA in 2009, went on his epic 2009 Mundials run, then claims to have just trained gi (probably not entirely true) for Randleman since he had the 2010 Mundials coming up, and this year was consciously focused on the 2011 ADCC/Mundials over the Prangley fight.
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Training in the gi also makes your grip strong. Basically pajama fighting rules.
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dokomoy posted:Also Josh's coach is a BJJ blackbelt. If we're talking about Paulson I've trained with him a couple times too and everytime it was Nogi.
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generatrix posted:True, and my response was more of the comedy options anyways. For the serious record: do not willingly dive into a guillotine. Keep your head up (they can't choke you with their armpit). There are a couple types of modified guillotines that work even if the person getting choked passes to side control. McKenzie uses a prayer choke I think and then there's the elbow up guillotine and they work pretty much the same way I think and can be defended the same way, but it's less about position and more about preventing that arm from coming up. You can't alleviate the choke by moving to cross side but if you can keep your opponents non-choking arm pinned to their side and drive your weight into and through the choke you can avoid the choke while you hand fight and you can pretty much hang out for as long as you want so long as you maintain control of that opposite elbow. I don't actually have much experience with McKenzie's choke so I honestly don't know exactly how to defend a prayer choke but it looks pretty similar, I'll try it out. Here's what I mean: Here's a video of Kenny Florian explaining the modified guillotine. Here's the McKenzie version (I think). Here's Din Thomas defending. Especially for the elbow up version you want that other arm pinning his elbow to his side for as long as you're in the choke.
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In case anybody is interested, the Big XII Wrestling championships are being streamed live by Fox Sports Midwest at the link below. http://www.foxsportsmidwest.com/pages/stream/0
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Sweet, wrestling owns everything.
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Going to try to sign up for this International grappling tournament thing in Toronto. Grappling at Roosterweight, bitches. So far zero people are in my divison, time to win this poo poo by default.
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shizen posted:don't really want to spend extra 100+ on gi Get a Padilla and Sons when you want one, they're generally rated at the top of the heap and mine was $90.
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God drat that head
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gimpsuitjones posted:how does one not get guillotined when shooting a double. (I cannot wrestle at all) All the above answers are good, if the double is the shot you want to do and are strong with may I suggest shooting a double and switching to a single. It allows you to still get that penatration with the double but then you can switch your hands to the single on whatever side you have more control over, stand up and finish the single while pulling your neck out of danger. When I go against high level black belts and they don't just decide to jump guard I very rarely will shoot a double all the way as it usually ends up bad. It's all personal preferance really but I find that by shooting a double into a single leg I keep my neck out of danger and it leads more readily into landing into half guard rather than full guard. Edit - And to follow the discussion about No-Gi and Gi training they both strenthen the other by cross training, everyone pretty much trains both if you are an Abu Dhabi quality jits person. Mardragon fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Mar 7, 2011 |
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So Mark Bocek came into the place yesterday and is really, really strong and really, really good. That's all. e; OrangeCrush posted:Rolling with the gi on is like the sickest video game you ever played on crack, man. I mean its just loving awesome! something about the grip game and how much everythign is "slowed down" makes it incredibly fun and strategic. Eh. I find nogi a lot more fun. But I guess I've always preferred twitch-gaming anyway, so.. VV Yep! It's pretty rad VV Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Mar 8, 2011 |
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Bocek's twitter said he was gonna be training with Marcelo Garcia. I guess youre learning under Marcelo then... what an opportunity! CONTENT: I've only really started BJJ lessons for like 2 weeks now. I feel that if I was to go to the free rolling sessions, I would only get in the way and nobody would want to roll with the silly noobie. Should I get a better grasp of some basics before showing up to these sessions or should I just show up and be someone's grappling dummy. fawker fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Mar 8, 2011 |
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Show up but say that you are new and that you would love for them to go a little easy on you, also to tell you what you are doing wrong/correct. Rolling with a newbie is quite fun for a lot of people because then they can gage how better they have become as well, so that shouldn't be a problem. Just whatever you do, don't spaz around trying youtube leglocks and flying "i will kick you on the teeth by accident" armbars. Relax, stay calm and try to identify whatever is happening to you. Oh and tap quickly and go for position rather then submission. Bohemian Nights, whenever you get your black-belt by Marcelo Garcia you are obligated to come train with me on Sørlandet.
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fawker posted:I've only really started BJJ lessons for like 2 weeks now. I feel that if I was to go to the free rolling sessions, I would only get in the way and nobody would want to roll with the silly noobie. Should I get a better grasp of some basics before showing up to these sessions or should I just show up and be someone's grappling dummy. You're like a practice dummy that moves. I'm gonna roll with you, and use the oppertunity to practice my leg overs in side control or something like that. Just go, experience is good. What I used to do was roll, then go home and look up a sub, a position, or a pass I'd had trouble with that day and try to figure out where I was doing it wrong.
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Bohemian Nights posted:VV Yep! It's pretty rad VV
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The nice thing about BJJ is that it has a great built-in teaching mechanism. If you screw up, someone strangles you. And it keeps on happening until you stop screwing up. So even if you're new and you're getting smashed, it's still useful experience. Knowing what subs feel like and what exactly makes them effective is really helpful. It was pretty cool the other day because I rolled with a new guy who has a wrestling background, just like me. I saw in him pretty much exactly how I was when I first started last year (not keeping my head up, getting caught in guillotines and chokes all the time). Even though I'm still terrible, it was a nice way of seeing how I've progressed.
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fawker posted:Bocek's twitter said he was gonna be training with Marcelo Garcia. I guess youre learning under Marcelo then... what an opportunity! It's important to roll with people newer than you as well as people more experienced than you, because you shouldn't get used to your opponents always reacting the correct way. It teaches you the reasoning behind a lot of the basics. Also, the way to practice a submission is try it against the newest guys first, then slightly better guys, then work your way up to doing it on your equals and betters. Basically, new guys are welcome because you're a useful tool in everyone else's training, and you make them feel better about themselves while you're at it, and they'll teach you some cool poo poo too.
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Pooned posted:Bohemian Nights, whenever you get your black-belt by Marcelo Garcia Haha, no. If I even get a blue belt I'd (try and fail to) eat my white belt. Yuns posted:Are you in NYC permanently Bohemian Nights? I think there are a few of us in the greater NYC metro area: me, CortXbomb, fatherdog (if you include NJ), Holland Oats, Danny Cadaver and perhaps some others. Of course, none of us actually know each other. I wish! But I'm in NYC at least until the end of May, then I start roadtripping around with my girlfriend until july. I've already met cXb, and I knew FD was close, but I didn't know there were so many other sasmma goons in the area!
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I'm up in the north jersey area from time to time. A few guys from my school just went to marcello's a week or so ago.
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A friend of mine just started at Marcelo's, Short bald headed purple belt, brazillian kid. Should have a Fight Sports South Beach patch on one of his gi's. kids a student of bjj, with a sick grip and spider guard.
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OrangeCrush posted:A friend of mine just started at Marcelo's, Short bald headed purple belt, brazillian kid. Should have a Fight Sports South Beach patch on one of his gi's. kids a student of bjj, with a sick grip and spider guard. If it is who I think it is, (a featherweight?) I have rolled with him several times!
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