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Bene Elim posted:Space horizon is relative to the largest local body/ship. But how do you know what is up or down without gravity?
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Flavor Bear posted:But how do you know what is up or down without gravity? All you need are some relatively fixed points in space to orient yourself. Gravity isn't required.
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I've never followed Star Wars too closely but is it just me or does everyone, and by that I mean the audience, George Lucus, sith, jedi, farmers and the rest of the galaxy hate Tusken Raiders/Sandpeople more than anything ever? At the start of the first movie they're being a bunch of douche bags and Luke/Obiwan hate them, Anakin genocides them and the audience/Amadala are kind of like "Oh well", in KOTOR asking a player to not murder their entire village is kind of like telling someone not to worry about stepping on sidewalk cracks. I can't turn off that part of my brain, I can't stop thinking about killing them. In basically every instance they show up they are ground into the dirt or made to look like a bunch of assholes. I mean, even Vadar, who is the murderhate machine, I can feel sympathy for and understand he is a product of nature/environment but you could line a dunebuggy's tires with Tusken Babies before pulling figure 8's in a parking lot full of broken bottle glass and I'd feel about as bad as if I saw any other character in the movie drop an icecream cone. They just aren't humanized or sympathized in the slightest. Even in the one game where you play as Kyle you mindlessly cut them down like soulless machine foot solders for the TMNT cartoons. This would almost make sense if they were some mindless, community-less entities of pure hatred like daemons from some terrible dimension or robots unable to feel love or fear but that isn't the case at all. They are biological beings surviving in the desert who dwell in family units and presumably feel love, loss, loathing, desire, lust and all the other human emotions any other primitive society should. They're not evil, they're just survivors in one of the most ruthless desert terrains in the galaxy. Why are they always meat for hategrinder?
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I thought they were actually done pretty well in KOTOR, in exchange for not keeping the pearl from the krayt dragon HK-47 translates pretty much their whole history and traditions and stuff for you from their history guy.
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May 20, 2011 23:47
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SeanBeansShako posted:I thought they were actually done pretty well in KOTOR, in exchange for not keeping the pearl from the krayt dragon HK-47 translates pretty much their whole history and traditions and stuff for you from their history guy. You know what, my Kotor part of that might not be fair then! I only watched the let's play linked in the OP and that got me REALLY excited to kill sandpeople.
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May 20, 2011 23:51
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This is the only good sandperson (I use him as often as possible on other boards) 
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May 20, 2011 23:57
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It's not that the Sand People are bad people, it's just that they are fiercely opposed to outsiders of any kind on what they consider their ancestral hard earned lands, and with very good reason. Very few outsiders understand their language, and even fewer are ever granted the chance to learn it, and so no-one knows their culture or history. To the Tatooine settlers and the wider Galactic public they are a group of indigenous savages with no morals or culture beyond the acquisition of water and murdering everyone they see. You can understand the hostility towards them. For anyone who hasn't played KotOR, here's a little of their history. quote:Long long ago, the people who woiuld become 'sand people' lived as much of the galaxy do now. They built above the earth, made technology and even began researching space travel. The planet itself was a verdant paradise back then and all was well.
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Isn't it KOTOR that implies that Jawas were descended from sand people? I remember that KOTOR implies that the sand people are the original humans in the SW galaxy even though it doesn't mesh with other SW canon, although it's easy enough to work around because when pressed the sand person guy doesn't explicitly commit. Also reading through their history above, it seems to me that basically they're the realistic outcome of what the colonials in BSG would end up as.
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May 21, 2011 04:01
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Van Dis posted:This is the only good sandperson  
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May 21, 2011 04:11
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Tuskens are responsible for Darth Krayt therefore they are worthless.
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May 21, 2011 04:35
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Ninja_Orca posted:Tuskens are responsible for Darth Krayt therefore they are worthless. Counterpoint: Tuskens took potshots at Anakin during the pod-race. Clearly, they are heroes.
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Crowetron posted:Counterpoint: Tuskens took potshots at Anakin during the pod-race. Clearly, they are heroes. Rebuttal: They failed to kill him, though.
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Crowetron posted:Counterpoint: Tuskens took potshots at Anakin during the pod-race. Clearly, they are heroes. And fantastic shots too. How can they shoot a moving object going 500 miles an hour while Obi-Wan criticizes them 30 years later for having poo poo aim? Dude's standards must be through the roof
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May 21, 2011 05:03
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Joe Don Baker posted:Really? I've put a ton of hours into that game I didn't know that. I'll have to check it out asap. Kart Barfunkel posted:And fantastic shots too. How can they shoot a moving object going 500 miles an hour while Obi-Wan criticizes them 30 years later for having poo poo aim? Dude's standards must be through the roof 
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May 21, 2011 05:15
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Kart Barfunkel posted:And fantastic shots too. How can they shoot a moving object going 500 miles an hour while Obi-Wan criticizes them 30 years later for having poo poo aim? Dude's standards must be through the roof Except that he says Stormtroopers are "accurate." He is probs just senile.
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May 21, 2011 05:25
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War Pig posted:Except that he says Stormtroopers are "accurate."
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War Pig posted:Except that he says Stormtroopers are "accurate." Those rebel scum at the beginning of a New Hope would disagree with you.  edit; beaten, like the rebels at Hoth.
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Hazo posted:It's not just the B-Wing. For any of the ships, if you hold down the secondary button, you'll spin on your heartline axis like a modern-day jet fighter. Yeah that's basic X-wing game controls. I just never realized the body rotated around the cockpit like that.
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War Pig posted:He is probs just senile. No, he is a drunk. We established this guys.
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SeanBeansShako posted:No, he is a drunk. We established this guys. I thought Qui-Gon was the drunk.
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ScottyJSno posted:But 50 different shows. It has re-ride value... Annual pass holders.
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NeonTurtle posted:I thought Qui-Gon was the drunk. He was the new age hippie Jedi that sold crystals outside the back of his space van on the weekends.
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Phylodox posted:Rebuttal: They failed to kill him, though. They tried, okay? <  >
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Crowetron posted:They tried, okay? < Close only counts in horseshoes and lightsaber-handgrenades.
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While the thread is kind of on the subject of Qui-Gon, has Lucas ever said why he created that character. Qui-Gon seemed hugely inconsequential to me.
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side_burned posted:while the thread is kind of on the subject of Qui-Gon, has Lucas ever said why he created that character. Qui-Gon seemed hugely inconsequential to me. I think he just forgot about Obi-Wan having said that he was Yoda's student.
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Kart Barfunkel posted:And fantastic shots too. How can they shoot a moving object going 500 miles an hour while Obi-Wan criticizes them 30 years later for having poo poo aim? Dude's standards must be through the roof There were a few force sensitive tuskens.
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Phylodox posted:Close only counts in horseshoes and lightsaber-handgrenades. Be fair, no one else but Sebulba was even trying. ...Why did I remember that name off the top of my head?
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side_burned posted:While the thread is kind of on the subject of Qui-Gon, has Lucas ever said why he created that character. Qui-Gon seemed hugely inconsequential to me. Because Liam Neeson is awesome.
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Nucleic Acids posted:I think he just forgot about Obi-Wan having said that he was Yoda's student. But really what is there to be said about that movie's problems that hasn't been said at this point? side_burned fucked around with this message at 02:22 on May 22, 2011 |
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amandasaysmoo posted:There were a few force sensitive tuskens.  Remember, no matter how retarded it is, Star Wars has done it.
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Sand people are full of cotton candy! 
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Nucleic Acids posted:I think he just forgot about Obi-Wan having said that he was Yoda's student. Well, you see, Yoda trained all of the younglings at some point, so buh buh buh buh buh *has throat pouch* *is billionaire*
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Slantedfloors posted:Correct: There he is again. loving Darth Krayt. Everywhere in these Star Wars.
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^^^Yep, that's him.Slantedfloors posted:Correct: I'm pretty sure he's actually human.
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 Lightsabers held together by lightsabers. gently caress yea
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Ninja_Orca posted:There he is again. loving Darth Krayt. Everywhere in these Star Wars.
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Throb Robinson posted:
Hell, look how excited about it that dinosaur is 
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Flavor Bear posted:Well, you see, Yoda trained all of the younglings at some point, so buh buh buh buh buh 
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Throb Robinson posted:
Oh gently caress yeah! Man, the EU is just a bunch of high school students sitting around in some guy's basement smoking weed and every now and again saying, "Duuuuuuuuude. You know what would be loving badass? A lightsaber that holds together TWO OTHER LIGHTSABERS!", isn't it? 
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