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Honestly, voice acting is the absolute worst thing that could happen to this game. Cloud and Tifa are generic enough in the games where they get voice acting, but if I had to listen to the modern-day voice acting of some of the characters still yet to be introduced, I would switch this game off in a heartbeat.
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Blastinus posted:Perhaps it's just me being spoiled from watching too much Firefly, but I was kind of disappointed when President Shinra just walked towards the heroes on a catwalk and nobody got the great idea of firing at him or throwing a grenade. I mean, it's not like the main characters are exactly good at banter anyway, so why bother with it? ... Where did the soldiers go in the interim though? The president sics Air Buster on you, you blow it up, fall 150 feet to  I've been playing this game since it came out in '97 and have yet to figure that one out. Nobody even mentions it ever again afterward.
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Jun 2, 2011 23:16
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Blastinus posted:Honestly, voice acting is the absolute worst thing that could happen to this game. Cloud and Tifa are generic enough in the games where they get voice acting, but if I had to listen to the modern-day voice acting of some of the characters still yet to be introduced, I would switch this game off in a heartbeat. There do exist games with GOOD voice acting, you know. Square has hired some real talent over the years. The problem isn't the voice actors, it's that they're being handed terrible scripts and not given proper direction. It's not even the good kind of bad script where the voice actors get to have some fun with their roles, it's the stilted, choppy kind where the voice actors have to try to emote an emotion that they don't have the proper motivation to emote. tl:dr version: Sometimes not even good voice actors can help a bad script.
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Jun 2, 2011 23:22
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Left Ventricle posted:Because the game made it clear not one minute before that they're surrounded by a squad of Shinra infantrymen. Shooting the president in front of 20+ armed soldiers is a quick way to bring about actual death. They're MPs. They die in one hit. What do you think happened to them?
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Jun 2, 2011 23:22
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Chip Cheezum posted:I don't know about you guys, but I'm totally getting the PC version of this game so I can finally play the game with the voice acting mod. That is amazing for all the wrong reasons.
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Jun 2, 2011 23:23
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ArchWizard posted:I'm disappointed that Barret doesn't sound like Mr. T because I can't imagine Barret sounding like anyone else. 100% Agree, I've always thought of barret as Mr. T and that he would talk exactly the same way.
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Jun 2, 2011 23:28
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Left Ventricle posted:I've been playing this game since it came out in '97 and have yet to figure that one out. Nobody even mentions it ever again afterward. Out of all the things in this game, two main characters escaping a fiery explosion while a ton of mooks stand around doing nothing is the thing that gets to you?
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Super Ninja Fish posted:Jessie is a woman? Oh cmon now. George posted:I'm going to go against the flow here and say this isn't nearly as bad as I expected. Maybe because I was expecting "YouTube LP Bad" and only got "fan project bad". I stopped watching at Barret, though. It's not the worst thing I've ever seen but it's pretty awful. This is the worst crap. Also Spoiler warning I suppose, but it's more NMS than Spoilerific. Left Ventricle posted:Because the game made it clear not one minute before that they're surrounded by a squad of Shinra infantrymen. Shooting the president in front of 20+ armed soldiers is a quick way to bring about actual death. I'm not sure the game or anything in the series ever explains why, but the protagonists are pretty much Marvel-level super-heroes. I mean, Cloud is pretty much immune to bullets. Elentor fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jun 3, 2011 |
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Jun 3, 2011 00:30
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Man, I forgot that this game had some seriously outstanding music. This LP also has me gearing to play through this game again.
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Jun 3, 2011 00:48
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Left Ventricle posted:... Where did the soldiers go in the interim though? The president sics Air Buster on you, you blow it up, fall 150 feet to You ever heard of that Squall's Dead theory? We-ell... Elentor posted:This is the worst crap. Also Spoiler warning I suppose, but it's more NMS than Spoilerific. Oh man, frollo. I wouldn't necessarily call it bad-bad, because he kinda snapped after nobody wanted to help him out in his FF7 musical and did the Jenova Rap, which was so bad that it circled around to amazing. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Jun 3, 2011 |
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Jun 3, 2011 00:50
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Elentor posted:I'm not sure the game or anything in the series ever explains why, but the protagonists are pretty much Marvel-level super-heroes. I mean, Cloud is pretty much immune to bullets. To quote Chip Cheezum: "The Jenova Cells do THIS!" But yeah, Cloud is physically enhanced. It's just his mind that sucks.
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Elentor posted:pretty much Marvel-level super-heroes. NikkolasKing posted:But yeah, Cloud is physically enhanced. It's just his mind that sucks. This made me laugh more than I should have because of how appropriate it is.
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Jun 3, 2011 01:40
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Toastymcfly posted:Man, I forgot that this game had some seriously outstanding music. This LP also has me gearing to play through this game again. I've got it on my PSP. Portable FFVII is amazing, goddamn.
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Jun 3, 2011 02:06
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Out of all the things in this game, two main characters escaping a fiery explosion while a ton of mooks stand around doing nothing is the thing that gets to you?
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Jun 3, 2011 03:12
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DocFrance posted:Let me tell you about Cloudist-Third Worldism. Quite a few pages late, but unfortunately, this is almost a thing.  Final Fantasy and Philosophy: The Ultimate Walkthrough. http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-Philosophy-Walkthrough-Blackwell/dp/0470415363 posted:An unauthorized look behind one of the greatest video game franchises of all time, Final Fantasy I saw this horror in person at my local library.
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Korremar posted:Quite a few pages late, but unfortunately, this is almost a thing. This is so loving weird that I want to see it. Plus I always knew that the moogles are pinko commie bastards.
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Korremar posted:Quite a few pages late, but unfortunately, this is almost a thing. God, this series of books is the worst. At least they mostly sit together on the shelf, but it tends to be right in the middle of legitimate books that I want to read. I thumbed through that one to see if they make a thing out of a character in FF7 being named after my favorite philosopher, but I don't remember what I found (he even talks about strife a lot, so Cloud's name is obviously symbolism, right?).
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Jun 3, 2011 10:05
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Korremar posted:I can't decide if that's the best or worst cover for a philosophy book that I've ever seen.
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Jun 3, 2011 11:00
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Pesky Splinter posted:Moogle-Marx looks pissed as all hell. It's the best. But you shouldn't judge a book by its cover.
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Jun 3, 2011 11:41
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Korremar posted:I saw this horror in person at my local library. Say what you will but my thread is better.
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Jun 3, 2011 11:48
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I bet that lovely book doesn't teach you about modern-day Brazil at the same as discussing tactics for one-shotting Air Buster, does it. drat right it doesn't.
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Chapter 5 - A Naming of Stoners I'm open to falling from graaace.  Faaaalling, falling down.  And we just fall back to the slums again, this is why we can't have nice things.  Of course I am, I just fell 50 meters. 'No but you see Gaia is a smaller world so the gravity there...'   Can you hear the drums Fernandoooo.  In Rio people who live in the slums ('favelas') are often called 'favelados', a term that is also a bit pejorative.  Midgar FAVELADOS would be a great gang tag.  Again, there's no way I can guide you through this conversation.  Every man knows it doesn't work like this.   I don't know, Cloud seems pretty submissive to me. Not sure that kind of dynamic would work with him.  You go big guy.   Think what you will, I'm done here.  Hey, Cloud is alive!  Sure lady I just fell off into... a flower bed. Anyway we're introduced to this nice music right now. Also, spoilers in the related videos.     Not pictured: The roof made of several different layers of trampolines.   Even the flowers are super-heroes in Final Fantasy worlds.   I suppose it's convenient I just happened to fall down in the ONE place where flowers grow.    Mwahahaha.  It's not my fault you can't stop drinking lady.  She doesn't mind as long as you're paying.  How to flirt with guys in Midgar: Option 1: Talk about the Train Monitor. Option 2: Ask them about their Materia.  If you think about it, Cloud starts the game with two Materia, and they're linked... hmmm.  Like I said, the thing's commercialized. It's kinda like the opposite of FFVI here.   This conversation is a lot more awkward than it should have been if you've been following my train of thought here.   So you're saying that this we've been doing is NOT talking? We're already halfway the update.   Ah yes, the moment we've all been waiting for.  This is it guys, the LP is over. Take care!  Well you see I feel like the only way to play this game is to do it the way the devs intended so obviously I'm gonna name her the original Japanese name here like I did with Mr. ARUKARUDO.  I kid of course, I know that both sides (people who want her named Aerith and the people who don't care) need equal representation so:  I kid of course, I know that Aerish is just a spy so let's rename her to Sephiroth.  I kid of course, I don't care about you guys who don't care, we Aerith lovers must show the world our devotion to a 'TH' with love and Caps Lock.  I kid of course. You see,  is clearly a reference to GRRM's character, so I'm finally now truly naming her as the devs intended. Here's something few people know - Daenerys is just a horrible mistranslation from Targaryen-to-English that the editors imposed on GRRM. The intended name was Daeneryth. Which of course is an anagram for 'YEN R DEATH' which is a harsh criticism to the financial situation of Japan etc. We have no choice but to name her the way GRMM intended else we're not paying attention to detail etc:  At any rate I think we'd rather pay homage to the Mad King so I'll name her Aeris with an 'I' so I don't get sued.  There you go, all Aeris' name variations you can imagine. I hope everyone's happy now so we can move on to better things.    Even Aeris is following this LP's train of thought. I really like this, it's an effective intro. Aeris is laughing because you do "everything". We learn that she is smart, that she is caring, but that she's also got a dirty mind and a sense of humor.  Some dude with red hair comes in.    And apparently the dude with red hair is bad news.     See, this is what I was saying about how people completely miss the point of FFVII. Specially about Aeris.  Cloud facepalms.  And then accepts  If you think about it, both are paying with their bodies.  Of course accepting sex in exchange of bodyguarding gives Cloud another psychotic episode.   Even the creepy kidnapper guy thinks Cloud is weird. For all people complain about FF7AC, I think they did it a spot-on job on Reno. I think this scene is more relevant than most people assume though.  Yeah you sure taught him there Cloud, sick Iceburn bro.   I love Reno, dude's just chillax about his crap.  Yeah because falling 170 feet and crashing the roof on them was no big deal.     Reno: "And don't step on the flowers!" NEXT TIME: Goofy villainy! Awesome music! New Materia! Godawful translation jobs! And now for an extra special Bugs & Bytes to make for the lack of it last time, since you guys have been asking for more talk about Rio. Bugs & Bytes Rio de Janeiro  So yay, we fell back into the slums. The first (and in my opinion, bigger) similarity between Midgar and, I suppose, other cities around the world is how the city divides the rich from the poor. In Midgar we have the upper plate, and the slums underneath. Rio is divided in three 'zones', West, North and South. The further you go South, the higher the average wealth of the population is. There are exceptions of course, but it's a good rule of thumb. The south and the north are divided by  It's also there the Sugar Loaf is. Also unlike Moonrake and Fast Five imply, there's no desert anywhere near Rio, the entire place is as green as green can be in a major city and for hundreds of miles around. It's also worth noting that North is much, much bigger than South. And the west is much bigger than both.  You see that map? The blue spot is where Christ the Redeemer is. The light-green region on the southeast is the South. The dark green is the North, and the Pink is the West. And the West is much, much bigger than the other two combined. There are districts in Western Rio that are much bigger than the whole South.  There are maps that completely omit West and North because they presume it's not what tourists want to see. You can travel any way you want, but there is a subway linking the south and the north, and also a train in the north. Aeris' name Aeris name was intended to be Aerith because it's an anagram for I Earth. After FF7 the company made sure all versions of her name were translated to Aerith with a th. Some people go apeshit when they see Aeris written with an S. Name Screen  Fun fact, in the Japanese version you got more options here for different sets of characters. You can even put a little heart in your character names. 
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Okay, I enjoyed the "Aeris' name' thing far, far more than I should have, probably because I've met people who are exactly as you describe with her name. And they are JUST as crazy as you indicate. Yeah, I said Aeris. That's what I first knew her as, so that's who she is in my mind. Also, hey, a map of Rio! It looks much bigger than I imagined, but then, the only things I've seen of this area is a map of South America and the Christ the Redeemer statue. Never been to South America, sadly.
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Jun 3, 2011 14:10
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Why do people care so much about her name anyway?
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Jun 3, 2011 14:18
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FF9:Hawaii::FF7:Brazil?
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Aerith as an anagram of "I Earth" is, honestly, kind of stupid (and by kind of, I mean incredibly). Aeris is a much better name to find an anagram for, since there's two that make much, much more sense; "raise" and "arise." The fact that they're both the old translated names for the Life spells doesn't hurt either.
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Dragonatrix posted:Aeris is a much better name to find an anagram for, since there's two that make much, much more sense; "raise" and "arise." The fact that they're both the old translated names for the Life spells doesn't hurt either. Reno is the best drat thing about this game. The Turks are all great but Reno is by far the best. Just always chill and smug as hell.
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Jun 3, 2011 15:23
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I always found Aeris to be one of the least insufferable JRPG love interests but I guess that isn't saying much.
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Jun 3, 2011 15:24
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I'm okay with Aerith, i just don't like saying it out loud because it makes me sound like my tongue is the size of a football and also very camp gay.
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Jun 3, 2011 15:29
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So why was she saying "IT moved" and "IT fell through the ceiling" when she clearly knows Cloud is a 'he'? And what's with the "...Sis, this one's a little weird"? I assume it was said by one of the grunts, since it has no name identifier- then who is "sis"? Aeris? Reno? That's a weird thing to say to either of them. I always chalked this stuff up to bad translation, but these are such simple things that there must be more to it...
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Jun 3, 2011 15:30
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A lot of children live in the slums (doesn't Aerith look after them?) I assumed she came over because she heard kids poking him in the face with sticks.
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Jun 3, 2011 15:32
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Just always chill and smug as hell. Schwartzcough posted:So why was she saying "IT moved" and "IT fell through the ceiling" when she clearly knows Cloud is a 'he'? EDIT: I totally missed the falling through the roof part. Yeah, it's probably just bad translation. Comrade Question fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jun 3, 2011 |
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Jun 3, 2011 15:38
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Schwartzcough posted:I always chalked this stuff up to bad translation, but these are such simple things that there must be more to it... Considering that the translator probably had no real context for the line as is the case with a lot of video game translations it's very likely to be as simple as that. ^^^^ Or that, I just checked again and she also didn't say it fell through the roof but that it fell on top of her, referring to the roof itself. Edit: Although Clouds response would indicate she was indeed referring to him. Let's just settle for bad translation once and for all. John Luebke fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jun 3, 2011 |
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Schwartzcough posted:So why was she saying "IT moved" and "IT fell through the ceiling" when she clearly knows Cloud is a 'he'? And what's with the "...Sis, this one's a little weird"? I assume it was said by one of the grunts, since it has no name identifier- then who is "sis"? Aeris? Reno? That's a weird thing to say to either of them. Well, I have no idea what "sis" is about, but if I recall Japanese tends to use a lot more gender-neutral pronouns than English.
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Jun 3, 2011 15:44
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Maybe it was supposed to be "Sir" instead of "sis," and shockingly the game had no editor.
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I went to Rio once. It was a while ago, though. I was, like, seven. My only coherent memory was some restaurant where you bought food by weight. And the Christ statue, but come on, that's hardly news to anyone. Oh, and a bunch of really annoying snipers. I think that last one might be me remembering something else there.
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I liked Reno's bald coworker better. Quiet and is a monster in combat. That is a lot of light if it beams down like that. You are right about the power bills.
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Schwartzcough posted:So why was she saying "IT moved" and "IT fell through the ceiling" when she clearly knows Cloud is a 'he'? And what's with the "...Sis, this one's a little weird"? I assume it was said by one of the grunts, since it has no name identifier- then who is "sis"? Aeris? Reno? That's a weird thing to say to either of them. Sis as in sister, for Aeris, and it is Reno talking to her. The kids also refer to her as sis'. There's no secret to this conversation. The meaning is as in "Cmon Aeris I know you have a weird taste for guys but this is a bit too much." After he calls Cloud weird, Cloud tells him (the 'shinra spy') to shut up. A bit more on this: There are only two ways you can interpret how Aeris got away from the Turks so many times. One is that she has had other "bodyguards" before, and that's why they're referring to "this one". The other way to interpret is that Aeris would have a more friendly relationship with the Turks. I mean, Tseng had a crush on her, they knew where she lived, they could really have taken her anytime they wanted yet she kept "escaping". Most likely the correct answer is both. It's more or less implied multiple times that the Turks don't have anything against your party. Fedule posted:I went to Rio once. It was a while ago, though. I was, like, seven. My only coherent memory was some restaurant where you bought food by weight. You guys don't have that up there? It's very common here. Scalding Coffee posted:That is a lot of light if it beams down like that. You are right about the power bills. I know right, I'm sure 95% of the power from the Reactors go straight to the slums. MC Jigsaw posted:I always found Aeris to be one of the least insufferable JRPG love interests but I guess that isn't saying much. I find Aeris to be one of the most realistic JRPG characters I've seen, all things considered. Of course none of that applies to the EU. Elentor fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jun 3, 2011 |
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Scalding Coffee posted:I liked Reno's bald coworker better. Quiet and is a monster in combat. Rude is also awesome. They play off of each other really well.
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Elentor posted:You guys don't have that up there? It's very common here. I presume "up there" refers to North America? (I'm from England, so I will pretend to take offense at this implication.) I've never come across food-by-weight before or since, in any case.
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