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NihilCredo posted:I see... thanks. I don't think it would be wise to buy an expensive keyboard AND mod it (ie = no return) hoping I will like it, unfortunately. Modding a mechanical keyboard with rubber rings is reversible. The process simply involves pulling off the keycap (which you can do on any cherry switched based keyboard) and putting a rubber ring over the stem of the key. Reversing the mod is simply a case of taking off the key and removing the rubber ring. Removing keycaps doesn't void your keyboard warranty, and you won't break them if you use a keypulling tool. Reputable mechanical keyboards are really built to last. Have a look at the soft-landing pads on EK. You'll also notice them selling a custom key pulling tool and custom keycaps. Can't beat a red ESC key  Last I remember about people's preferences with scissor-like keys is either the Apple keyboard (which some PC quirks IIRC) or a Logitech one which has shallow keys, but with some SKUs having poor NKRO. Don't really tend to take too much notice, considering I'm one of the resident mechanical keyboard snobs. 
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If I push down 2mm on my Leopold it actuates. Mechanical keyboards don't force you to bottom out to get a keypress. In fact, that's one of the reasons why people prefer them to chicklet style keyboards because your fingers don't actually punch anything besides a spring.
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HKS posted:I tried my first realforce keyboard today and it changed my life. I bought an 86ub a few weeks back ... now I am working on scoring another one, or an 87, to use at home. My only issue now is whether a variable weight keyboard is ideal for home use where I do a bit of gaming .. hmm (or if I need to track down a uniform version)
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weapey posted:Last I remember about people's preferences with scissor-like keys is either the Apple keyboard (which some PC quirks IIRC) or a Logitech one which has shallow keys, but with some SKUs having poor NKRO. Don't really tend to take too much notice, considering I'm one of the resident mechanical keyboard snobs. If someone is really a scissor switch fan, just grab a standalone thinkpad keyboard: http://www.amazon.com/ThinkPad-USB-Keyboard-with-TrackPoint/dp/tags-on-product/B002ONCC6G
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The only thing I want on my keyboard is an IBM analog nub thing.
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My Filco Tenkeyless is starting to do some double keystrokes sometimes 
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Gwaihir posted:If someone is really a scissor switch fan, just grab a standalone thinkpad keyboard: http://www.amazon.com/ThinkPad-USB-Keyboard-with-TrackPoint/dp/tags-on-product/B002ONCC6G  Nice one! The integrated clit mouse would be cool, but since I hate the Fn key in the Ctrl corner, does anyone know if this thing is identical in terms of switches and key feel?
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blowingupcasinos posted:The only thing I want on my keyboard is an IBM analog nub thing. http://www.amazon.com/ThinkPad-USB-Keyboard-with-TrackPoint/dp/tags-on-product/B002ONCC6G  They are $50
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gently caress that noise. After a full size keyboard for years, laptop keyboards make my fingers cramp. poo poo's not far enough apart, and the depress distance of the keys is jarringly shallow. I do like the noise thinkpad keyboards make though. Sounds slick.
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blowingupcasinos posted:The only thing I want on my keyboard is an IBM analog nub thing. You want this then: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/en104wh.html
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I just got my ten keyless Filco Majestouch-2 tactile click (mx blue switches) keyboard from Amazon. I'm not sure if they are still for sale, there were new ones up last week or the week before but when I ordered a page came up saying the item wasn't available. Regardless, the order went through and I got my keyboard! Very weird... I wouldn't be surprised to see Amazon post new stock on this specific keyboard tomorrow. Anyways, I had a Filco with brown switches and this one is definitely different but I think I like it so far. The click noise is going to take some getting used to. I'm taking the board with brown switches to work so now I will never be without my glorious cherry switches
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Steakandchips posted:gently caress that noise. After a full size keyboard for years, laptop keyboards make my fingers cramp. poo poo's not far enough apart, and the depress distance of the keys is jarringly shallow. My Thinkpad's keyboard is 2 or 3 millimeters wider than my Realforce keyboard.
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Nearly 60 days after the group buy began, I finally get my PLU ML-87 I'm falling in love with it very quickly, it's a very solid keyboard for the $75 shipped I payed for it. text editor fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jun 17, 2011 |
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ClosedBSD posted:Nearly 60 days after the group buy began, I finally get my PLU ML-87 Nice!
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That looks lovely. I'd have a hell of a time instictively reaching for a numpad that isn't there, though.
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nftyw posted:That looks lovely. I'd have a hell of a time instictively reaching for a numpad that isn't there, though. With the exception of the spacebar stabilizer not being great, it feels awesome, and since I bottom out the keys all the time there is a nice "thwack" sound to it. Even though it's smaller, it weighs like double what my last keyboard did. I've only reached for the numpad once so far.
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What is the consensus on the Razer Blackwidow? I've seen some people here claiming that it is amazing but elsewhere the reviews claim that there is a quality control issue with Razer's caps. I've heard that one of the common issues is that the spacebar and alt keys collide frequently when the spacebar is pressed. I'm really attracted to the pricepoint because it seems drastically lower than other mechanical keyboards, but I don't want to end up paying $70 for a poorly constructed "XTREME GAMER" keyboard. I love the minimalist looks of the Filco tenkeyless but I can't justify spending over $100 on a keyboard right now... student loans 
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Bazanga posted:What is the consensus on the Razer Blackwidow? I have one at home and I like it. I really don't care for the macro keys or some layout/spacing choices, but it's a great keyboard at that price point. Keycap wear is really a non-issue, since cherry keycaps are cheap and easily replaceable. If I had to do over I would pony up money for a Filco after getting one for at work. It's just a much more "pure" keyboard. By the way, I sort of like the Razer keycap texture a bit better than Filcos, which are really smooth. But keycaps are easy fixes, so no big.
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Razer's keyboards use Cherry blue switches, right? Why would they do that, since they're supposedly terrible for gaming (since they make spamming especially difficult)?
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Bazanga posted:What is the consensus on the Razer Blackwidow? While I haven't used that keyboard, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about Razer quality control issues. I like their gear, but my Death Adder started randomly double clicking after a few years of use, and my friend's Copperhead or Diamondback or something had to get RMA'd like 3 times. Anyway, does anyone know where to get one of these with Cherry blues? 
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NihilCredo posted:Razer's keyboards use Cherry blue switches, right? Why would they do that, since they're supposedly terrible for gaming (since they make spamming especially difficult)? They're not terrible for gaming at all. For really long Starcraft sessions, I sometimes feel like I'd rather have browns, but blues are basically the same but with more resistance. (good if your accuracy isn't the greatest) There's no difficulty with double tapping, but if you're extremely sensitive/efficient reds would be the best. Keep an eye on Amazon if you want any kind of Filco. If you don't want to wait, you can order from The Keyboard Company directly for a bit more money.
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Cherry blacks are the best for gaming. You can spam the poo poo out of them. Perfect for both MMOs and FPS.
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So here is the deal. I live in Europe and speak a non-English language, which involves a different keyboard setup too intricate and too obscure to bother finding the exact setup. Instead, I'll get a blank keyboard and a big return key. That way, I can also switch to another language setup, if need be. (And it keeps people away from my computer.) Keys: Blank, big Return key (can be bought separately?), no Windows key. Switch: Brown. Usage: Writing, StarCraft 2, some amount of coding. Simple/Advanced: Completely simple. No media keys, F13-18, backlighting nor anything of the sort. Numpad: Hell yes. Numpad or bust. I hope this covers it all. This is probably already going to cost me a fair sum (shipping costs ), so I don't see a reason to settle on quality.What are my options, and which of them would you recommend me - especially considering that I order from the EU? Save me, glompix!
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ufarn posted:Save me, glompix! Haha, all you're going to get out of me is a recommendation for Filco with a set of blank keys added. http://www.keyboardco.com/ Aside from maybe the enter key, a Das Keyboard Ultimate Silent is also exactly what you describe as well but I wouldn't get one being a Filco fanboy. I post in this thread more than I probably should. v  v
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glompix posted:Haha, all you're going to get out of me is a recommendation for Filco with a set of blank keys added. http://www.keyboardco.com/ (And how do Cherry keyboards compare?) As I understand it, my choices are basically Das Keyboard, Leopold, Filco, and Cherry. ufarn fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jun 19, 2011 |
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I had the same requirements. Filco with a blank keyset is more than a Das Keyboard Ultimate Silent... so I know which I have my eyes on, if I ever decide it's okay to spend that much on a keyboard..
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ufarn posted:Does MKP use Filco, or is there something else to your preference? MKP uses one of those generic DT-35s. (with checkerboard keycaps  ) FruitDealer uses a Filco, but that's the only one I know of. I think Zowie is more popular there for mech keyboards. I just like the keyboard's super plain aesthetic and tiny frame, and that you can get them almost any way you would want.There are plenty more brands out there like Ducky, Choc, etc that are less accessible, probably just as good, and have similar aesthetics. I think taobao is the place for esoteric keyboards.
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Bazanga posted:What is the consensus on the Razer Blackwidow? I ordered one a while back and have been pretty happy with it. I had the issue with the alt and space key colliding at times, which I fixed in a few minutes by taking the alt key off and filing down the edge a bit (the lower edge of the key was intersecting by like under a millimeter). Other than the key caps it seems solidly constructed. You shouldn't really have to fix something like that on a $70 keyboard but given the price compared to other mechanical keyboards I feel it was worth it. Fortuitous Bumble fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jun 20, 2011 |
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Steakandchips posted:Cherry blacks are the best for gaming. You can spam the poo poo out of them. I loving hate how blacks feel. Blue/Browns feel awesome for me. I spam the poo poo out of keys in wow/shooters all the time.
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The Razer BlackWidow Ultimate is on sale at Newegg for $99.99 until midnight PDT Tuesday. Use promo code EMCYTZT549 I wish the font they used wasn't so terrible.
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Because you're not a teen, and hence not the target audience for Razer products
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Keys off, the basic Filco keyboard model is the same regardless of language, right? I think I might as well get the US keys, in case I want to practice an English setup. ufarn fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jun 20, 2011 |
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ufarn posted:Keys off, the basic Filco keyboard model is the same regardless of language, right? The 'European' (104 keys) and 'American' (105 keys) layouts are physically different beyond just the lettering. The left Shift can be long or short, and in particular the Enter key has a different shape. (There's also a 106-key layout that has both short Shift and small Enter). It's somewhat awkward to switch, so pay attention to get the one you're used to.  
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NihilCredo posted:The 'European' (104 keys) and 'American' (105 keys) layouts are physically different beyond just the lettering. The left Shift can be long or short, and in particular the Enter key has a different shape. (There's also a 106-key layout that has both short Shift and small Enter). Whereas the English setup's Return key only uses one or two switches, the other uses one more. That's my theory, but I don't want to end up with a keyboard incompatible with my non-English Return key, for instance.
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ufarn posted:But what I mean to ask is whether they are different, when you take off the keys? Isn't the switch layout the exact same? I would imagine they're incompatible, due to different switch placement. That tiny, girly shift key and the weird bracket key beside it take up the space of an entire god-fearing, American left shift key. Where a European needs two switches, we only need one. (and ours is centered  )
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glompix posted:I would imagine they're incompatible, due to different switch placement. That tiny, girly shift key and the weird bracket key beside it take up the space of an entire god-fearing, American left shift key. Where a European needs two switches, we only need one. (and ours is centered I'll try to contact the keyboardco guys and hear them out about it.
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ufarn posted:Aw hell naw. Gauntlet thrown, motherfucker. The owner is called Bruce, and I've had a number of email conversations with him gushing over various keyboards. The guy knows his stuff and I'm sure he'll go out of his way to find out if he didn't. Some of the best customer service I have ever received is from keyboardco.
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NihilCredo posted:The 'European' (104 keys) and 'American' (105 keys) Switch those key counts. ISO = 105. ANSI = 104.
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HalloKitty posted:Switch those key counts. ISO = 105. ANSI = 104. So the one with the double tall enter key is which one?
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