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truther posted:Excuse me for being a newcomer and posting specific and detailed issues with the game. I've read the thread, these weren't mentioned, so I posted them. The thing that irritated me about your post is that you didn't realize a few things: 1. The rpg elements are important but they are fairly light. You cannot level to the point where enemies cannot harm you, and you cannot be underleveled for enemies you are meant to fight. How well you do is heavily reliant on skill. In fact, there are youtube videos of people taking on the 1-4 boss (arguably the hardest and at the least second hardest boss) at level 1 on ng+x12 and beating it in a few minutes. 2. When you are being one-shotted and there is absolutely no reasonable way to get past certain areas, such as dragons or red eye knights, that is not the game telling you to try again and get hosed. That is the game's way of telling you "come back later when you are better" or in the dragon's case, "this is obviously a loving trap you dimwit." If you think tempting the player with shiny objects to run towards ambushes and traps is bad design instead of making the player think "Is it worth it?" every now and then this isn't the game for you. poo poo, the first trap literally has giant un-fightable fire breathing dragons guarding the loot, that really should've been the first warning light. Wait till you get to the more subtle traps later on. extremebuff fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jun 20, 2011 |
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Krinkle posted:is there even an unreasonable way? I can't remember if killing a primeval demon and a black phantom in one shot does it You have to be on Pure Black, kill a primeval demon, the world's black phantom, and at least a boss to shift it back to Pure White. I know this because I had the crazy idea of getting world 3 to Pure White when I was about to fight Old Monk and decided to go with it. It's fun.
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You could also hang around in body form and hope you get invaded. Of course this doesn't work if you've defeated all the bosses in the world. And you have to beat the invader.
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I just realised why I can't play coop with my friend, after trying several times this weekend - I imported the US copy months ago and he has the EU version, so we dno't have the same servers. Whoops.
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Jun 20, 2011 18:35
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Speaking of traps is there anyway to legitimately explore the lava flooded areas in 2-2 or is that supposed to be a "grab one item, die" area?
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Bobnumerotres posted:Speaking of traps is there anyway to legitimately explore the lava flooded areas in 2-2 or is that supposed to be a "grab one item, die" area?
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Samurai Sanders posted:Yeah, I was just thinking about that last night. I looked in the wiki and it didn't mention anything special about that, unless I missed it. Do fire resistant things stack, and even if so would they prevent you from dying in seconds? I've tried going in there with full brushwood armor, like 35 endurance, and 2 rings of flame resistance. I survived for maybe 9 or 10 seconds. Fire resistance does stack but it'll never be enough to fight whatever absurd dps lava deals in this game. E: Holy poo poo! Just went in with brushwood boots and chest, dull gold helm and arms, fire resist ring and cling ring. If you very very quickly dart to and fro between land and the treasures and roll at the right distance into land you can just barely do it. There is a pure dragon stone included in the treasures of that room, and 3 others but I didn't have time to check in my panic. You discover something new about this game every day. extremebuff fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jun 20, 2011 |
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Jun 20, 2011 20:30
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Two rings of the same type don't stack though. Would Total Protection help against the lava? It's incredibly effective against physical damage but I'm not sure if it works with fire too.
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I've grabbed everything in the lava in one go before. There are several little islands in the lava river and some of the shores can be stood on, even if it doesn't look like it at first glance. I found that rolling through/across the lava helps, too.
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Bobnumerotres posted:Speaking of traps is there anyway to legitimately explore the lava flooded areas in 2-2 or is that supposed to be a "grab one item, die" area? 20 vitality plus the ring of flame resistance plus water veil is enough to grab each item as you go and get back to land without dying. You have to roll once to get to each item, walk to grab it if you're off, then roll once back toward land. These days I put on the ring and cast water veil just before entering the lava area, ignore all the enemies and grab the first two spots (the chunks, you have to leave from shore to get them), then recast water veil in the tunnel and go for the pure. I almost always make a dragon knight sword +5 with my dragonstone if my character can use it, if I'm a mage with base strength I make a dragon short sword +5. These are superb weapons for low level characters and should see you through most of NG pretty easily. Be sure you have plenty of free item burden, this is especially an issue if you just picked up a bunch of poo poo in the level previous to the lava part. If you can't pick up a stone because of item burden you drop it, and if you die after dropping it disappears forever. You get another pure stone from dragon god but a couple items require two pures (G. Axe, G. Sword) so you don't really want to miss out on any of it and it is quite heavy. There are two spots that hold chunks of dragonstone and one spot that holds pure dragonstone. If you get all of the dragonstone out of the lava (and all of it out of the stage previous to that -- especially the three chunks that black phantom has) you will have enough dragonstone to take any one handed weapon to +5 and be short a few chunks to take some of the really large or demanding weapons to +5. Getting chunks sucks -- the giant pillbugs occasionally drop them and you know what a pain in the rear end they are to kill. There's nothing else in the lava worth getting -- just the three spots with dragon stone. raton fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jun 20, 2011 |
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Sheep-Goats posted:the giant pillbugs occasionally drop them and you know what a pain in the rear end they are to kill. Not if you're a (you guessed it) mage! I hope the PvP in dark souls gets tweaked a lot. All invading is in DS is getting overpowered weapons/spells along with a graverobber ring, finding the main character and backstabbing him. Or loving someone's poo poo up with the scraping spear. And if not one of those two, characters took too many hits and healing is basically instant. I've actually been in a fight with someone and I swung a broadsword RIGHT when he began taking out an herb and I hit him at the same time he healed. PvP just isn't fun.
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Sunday Punch posted:Two rings of the same type don't stack though. Would Total Protection help against the lava? It's incredibly effective against physical damage but I'm not sure if it works with fire too.
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is baby nail any good? I have my adjudicator's shield all leveled up and now I don't know where to put these colorless demons' souls. I have a faith build and a hammer all blessed up. looking to try to toss something else in was wondering if plague was worth it in pvp. touching the water in astrea's place is a scary rear end plague but I don't know that the baby nail is anywhere near that. the wiki doesn't even have a page explaining the mechanics so I don't even know what it does. do poison/death clouds scale with magic skill? e: forgot the 2nd half of the question. is large sword of moonlight better to put colorless into? or the third option is dark silver shield for when someone starts tossing firestorm around Krinkle fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Jun 21, 2011 |
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Krinkle posted:is baby nail any good? I have my adjudicator's shield all leveled up and now I don't know where to put these colorless demons' souls. I have a faith build and a hammer all blessed up. looking to try to toss something else in was wondering if plague was worth it in pvp. touching the water in astrea's place is a scary rear end plague but I don't know that the baby nail is anywhere near that. Poison and plague in PvP is great for making them panic and retreat and shuffle through their inventory looking for those antidote items no one ever has equipped but it won't save you from getting buttfucked with a dragon long sword. poison/death clouds simply poison/plague the victim and deal a set amount of damage based on the victim's resistance to either one.
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truther posted:Excuse me for being a newcomer and posting specific and detailed issues with the game. I've read the thread, these weren't mentioned, so I posted them. This will answer any question you have about Demon's Souls and I guarantee it: The game is meant to feel like there's no information apart from what you see in the game. It's the antithesis of hand-holding. Stop getting pissy about dying and learn from your deaths.
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Krinkle posted:is baby nail any good? I have my adjudicator's shield all leveled up and now I don't know where to put these colorless demons' souls. I have a faith build and a hammer all blessed up. looking to try to toss something else in was wondering if plague was worth it in pvp. touching the water in astrea's place is a scary rear end plague but I don't know that the baby nail is anywhere near that. Plague is good because it makes your opponents panic. What's even better than the HP loss is that all healing is nerfed while you're plagued, so your opponent won't be able to spam grasses as easily to stay alive. Another cool things is that they'll be taking constant damage, so their HP bar won't disappear from your screen. This keeps your opponent from hiding. The Large Sword of Moonlight can be fun. It ignores shields, and is thus an amusing weapon to use in PvP, but its damage output isn't impressive. It will not be your primary weapon, that's for sure. Dark Silver Shield +5 is pretty good, but you still can't block Firestorm, so don't even think of trying that. As a Faith build, there really isn't much use for Colorless Demon Souls. Just have fun with them.
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U-DO Burger posted:As a Faith build, there really isn't much use for Colorless Demon Souls. Just have fun with them. but this shield on my back ate five of them and whatever doesn't kill me might as well not have happened because of the insane regen. that's a little exaggeration but I shrug off accidents and never seem to go below 60% health. I tried the baby nail out on the miners above the smith before I comitted, and it took about twelve stabs before either one got plagued. I was hoping to jab in quickly and switch back, sucker punch once with a backstep-attack. I've seen invading phantoms with one of the two doesn't-care-about-shields swords and I don't relish the idea of 1) trying to get in there to jab them 2) walking around w/o a talisman of beasts on my secondary slot. I have adjudicator and dark silver on my left, I have blessed hammer and talisman on my right. I don't know that I'd ever get used to casting w/ my left hand enough to give up a shield type.
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For my faith guy after adjudicator I put them into dark silver shield. Next up is LSoM. Then baby nail. Baby's nail isn't good pvm, but it has some utility pvp -- most pvp people get plagued by it in one flurry. You should get used to having your talisman in your left hand. You can only curse what's in your right (not an issue for faith but a huge deal for strength and dex builds) and talismans can't backstab / ward foes off which is a huge deal for mages when they run out of mp. The talisman really belongs in your left. Shields can usually be chosen for the stage rather than the situation anyway, you should neded only one. raton fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Jun 21, 2011 |
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One thing I was never sure of: Is it worth two handing on blessed weapons? If two handing just affects the strength stat I guess the boost would be minimal
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Brinstar Brew posted:One thing I was never sure of: Is it worth two handing on blessed weapons? If two handing just affects the strength stat I guess the boost would be minimal In certain cases, definitely. Two handing a weapon will change its attack patterns. Attack patterns for the crescent axe, claymore and long sword in two-handed mode are notably more useful/faster. Also, I get the impression 2-handing breaks through shield guards more quickly.
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So if I want to get World 3 to pure white WT, my best bet is to suicide my way to pure black, then kill black phantom Rydyell and the primeval demon (without returning to the Nexus), then kill Maneater and the Old Monk? It's OK if I die after killing Rydyell but before killing the primeval demon, so long as I don't return to the Nexus right?
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Sumadartson posted:Also, I get the impression 2-handing breaks through shield guards more quickly.
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Sunday Punch posted:So if I want to get World 3 to pure white WT, my best bet is to suicide my way to pure black, then kill black phantom Rydyell and the primeval demon (without returning to the Nexus), then kill Maneater and the Old Monk? It's OK if I die after killing Rydyell but before killing the primeval demon, so long as I don't return to the Nexus right? If you want to detour through pure black, yes. Colorless demon souls are so valuable it's worth the detour in my opinion. Don't return to nexus after killing rydell, since that will move you three points towards white, causing the primeval demon to disappear. edit: The gargoyles will pick you up to move you from 3-1 to 3-2, just move to behind the altar in the Idol's temple.
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Sunday Punch posted:So if I want to get World 3 to pure white WT, my best bet is to suicide my way to pure black, then kill black phantom Rydyell and the primeval demon (without returning to the Nexus), then kill Maneater and the Old Monk? It's OK if I die after killing Rydyell but before killing the primeval demon, so long as I don't return to the Nexus right? If you screwed up the tendency already, yeah. I usually just kill two (or three if I didn't average world tendency to begin with) bosses without risking a death in that world in body form and blammo, pure white. It's usually easier to do pure white this way and then edge toward black.
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It's kind of a pain that being online moves the world tendency back towards neutral every time you login, it means you have to do whole worlds in one gameplay session. Or you could play offline I guess but that sucks. In other news, I've had weird things happening with my game. At first the sound was just stuttering a little, but it kept getting worse until all the sound effects were completely hosed up and repeating. Then parts of the level geometry started disappearing and enemies were freezing in place. It was a bit unnerving running along the aerial pathways of 3-2 with the floor winking out of existence. The loading screens were also about three times longer than usual. I had to shut the PS3 off because I was afraid it was going to crash (didn't want that to happen while it was saving my game), maybe it was overheating? Has anyone else seen anything like this happening?
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Sheep-Goats posted:If you screwed up the tendency already, yeah. I usually just kill two (or three if I didn't average world tendency to begin with) bosses without risking a death in that world in body form and blammo, pure white. It's usually easier to do pure white this way and then edge toward black. I found that if you're online then at the start of the session when the tendency is set to server average, it's normally set to some more-white-than-neutral level, and killing 2 bosses is normally enough.
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Sumadartson posted:Also, I get the impression 2-handing breaks through shield guards more quickly. Aside from the increased attack power and faster animations, I've noticed this is mostly because when you one hand and impact a shield your weapon bounces and you're sort of stunned for a bit, but when you're two handing you don't bounce off much and just keep going.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Aside from the increased attack power and faster animations, I've noticed this is mostly because when you one hand and impact a shield your weapon bounces and you're sort of stunned for a bit, but when you're two handing you don't bounce off much and just keep going.
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Man it's incredibly cathartic using firestorm on Maneater and killing them with a single hit, after the hell they put me through with my melee-focused characters. Is firestorm the most powerful spell in the game? I don't think it actually lists your spell damage anywhere, just your magic power.
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http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/wanderer "The Wanderer is a Unique class." what does that mean? capitalizing unique makes it sound like there's dialogue or items or something fundamentally different about them. they don't have ranged? that's it? e: w/r/t world tendency every single area is exactly one step away from pure white all the time so just kill one boss then go do the white world tendency events. go be a ghost to farm up souls and help dudes along then suicide in the area you want to BW event in, or just suicide your way to black with stones. You know you can kill an invading black phantom to raise the world tendency too, and I just found out that you can't be a black phantom to lower it which is silly. At least the wiki doesn't mention it. Krinkle fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jun 21, 2011 |
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Krinkle posted:http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/wanderer
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Nothing special about the Wanderer other than that you don't start with a solid equipment set. Your poo poo's all mixed and matched.
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So I just got back into Demon's Souls after having sort-of quit my royal I was playing, he was a mix and match magic/sword kind of guy and I was enjoying him but I figured I'd rather play the game through with a melee focused character. (Only got my other one to SL 36 anyways) It took a bit of getting used to, but I actually really like the way the two-handed halberd attacks so I was thinking of upgrading it once I get further into the game. Is this a bad idea? Is there a fundamentally better equivalent or close weapon to the halberd I could try out?
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The popular halberd-type weapon is a Mirdan Hammer if you're going faith, although the War Scythe has a very good spread if you want to focus on dexterity as melee.
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Halberd is a super solid weapon. There is one weapon that is slightly better in that it does more damage to shields, found in 5-2. However it isn't really important unless you are some MIN MAX PVP POWERRRR build. I pretty much played my entire first run through of the game with a upgraded halberd(even stubbornly at places which called for a spear or smaller weapon)
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Sounds like I'm going with a halberd then, thanks for the advice. Gonna go grab the Adjudicators Shield from 3-1 and then run through 1-2 and 2-1 for some stones to upgrade my halberd. e: 4-1 for the shield.. Ahaha, trying to grab the Crescent Falchion +1 was a terrible idea. Read fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Jun 21, 2011 |
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My god could they just port this to PC already, jesus christ.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Not only that but two handed attacks ignore environmental obstacles. They definitely ignore them more often than one-handed attacks but there will be plenty of times where you'll stagger from hitting walls and poo poo. The good thing is that the "lesser change of staggering" rule also applies to shields.
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strifetoe posted:My god could they just port this to PC already, jesus christ. To be honest, I bought my ps3 for this game*. Worth every single euro-penny. It's that good. God, I sound like I have stocks in From Software... * And Guitar Hero, but no one needs to know.
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strifetoe posted:My god could they just port this to PC already, jesus christ. Its a sony game dude, not gonna be out on pc ever. Play witcher 2 for the next best thing.
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