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thats probably one of the reasons bsg got so bad. there were alot of plots where they shoehorned in retarded poo poo that wouldnt actually be a problem given their level of technology. So they ended up with a bunch of shity plots that didnt belong in the universe because RDM is pretty bad if you give him full control of a thing.
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Shaggar posted:bsg got so bad lol
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season 3 was terrible and season 4 was just boring. i think there were a few good eps maybe but most of them got reset. also just try to go watch it from start to finish again, i couldnt b/c the characters suck so bad. when the plot took a nose dive there was nothing left to keep it afloat.
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I stopped watching around the time when starbuck went through a whole stupid adventure to get a loving arrow.
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Bradbury was mentioned 3 pages ago but there was no mention of Something Wicked This Way Comes. It's written unlike any book I've ever read and it's loving brilliant.
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haveblue posted:this is why we have no idea how the galactica's hyperdrive works yeah but the writers have themselves to blame for that one because they would invent bullshit technobabble resolutions to those earlier episodes' problems in the first place also that last example i gave is kind of the opposite problem you described. we saw star trek ships turning at warp speed before, no explanation given about how or why it works, then for some (voyager, poo poo) episode they decided to do some retcon technoexpository bullshit about how "nope you can't actually do that because of [tech]" FMguru posted:tng script drafts literally had sections that just said "[technobabble]" in them. there was a guy who'd fill it "phase-adaptive plasma channel" and "multi-mode inflection sort algorithm" later on. i can only imagine that by voyager, the scripts were basically "a [tech] thing happens the crew uses [tech] to [tech] the [tech] and [tech] seven and/or holodoc uses [tech] to explore humanity the end ([tech])"
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has anyone else read a.e. van vogt's "The Voyage of the Space Beagle" or john steakley's 'armor' i liked them but it was so long ago i doubt my taste back then axolotl farmer posted:Ender's Game is terrible and Orson Scott Card is a hack im sorry, is there some other hitler apologia you'd recommend??
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hitler apologia? I just thought it was a huge heap of steaming elitism, repressed gay, worst Mary-Sue outside of fanfics and terrible terrible writing
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axolotl farmer posted:hitler apologia? hey, remember kuro5hin: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/5/28/22428/7034 e: holy crap, there are people still writing for that site.
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any story where smart people have magic powers because they are smart is really lame
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he commits genocide on a misunderstood race then takes survivors to argentina and tries to bring them back
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I still like Book of the New Sun (Geene Woolfe) but I feel like I mention it every time one of these threads rolls around 
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axolotl farmer posted:Ender's Game is terrible and Orson Scott Card is a hack Been a long time since I read it, so I don't remember. Read Speaker for the Dead and it's sequels more recently. I thought it was good, the sequels were not so good.
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coaxmetal posted:Been a long time since I read it, so I don't remember. Read Speaker for the Dead and it's sequels more recently. I thought it was good, the sequels were not so good. The sequels nose dive big time in quality. Seriously it stalled big time when Ender got to New Brazil.
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You Am I posted:Transmetro was good at the start, but really started to peter out when he focused on taking down The Smiler/Smiley. counterpoint: the smiler sequence also contained the chair leg of truth scene
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axolotl farmer posted:Kurt Vonnegut wrote rules for writing stories. this is the one that Asimov fails: Jehoshaphat! also, gently caress kurt vonnegut, he's almost as bad as douglas adams when it comes to beating the same gimmick into the ground.
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the caves of steel is the result of someone telling asimov that it was impossible to write a sci fi detective story
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JawnV6 posted:has anyone else read a.e. van vogt's "The Voyage of the Space Beagle" the whole skylark of space series is great and i highly recommend it
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also a.e. van vogt apparently invented the glazed donut so its got that goin for it too
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poo poo no, wait im thinkin of e. e. smith
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rotor posted:poo poo no, wait im thinkin of e. e. smith i apologize for any inconvenience this regrettable error may have caused
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Stringent posted:Jehoshaphat! those are fighting words  what's the gimmick, and which Vonnegut books have you read?
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kurt vonnegut isnt a scifi author tho
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has anyone actually read lensman? It's the kind of series you hear about all the time as incredibly influential but I've never actually seen a copy.
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i saw the anime
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I think sci-fi is more of a state of mind than a set of topics. Vonnegut wrote several stories that are more sci-fi than Slaughterhouse 5. Galapagos, Cat's Cradle, Sirens of Titan and even Slapstick are definitely science fiction. Galapagos is actually the only novel that really gets evolutionary biology.
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Amethyst posted:has anyone actually read lensman? It's the kind of series you hear about all the time as incredibly influential but I've never actually seen a copy. its not as good as the skylark series imho but its good. i mean, it's scifi from the 20s and 30s, it's not exactly fine literature, but they're pageturners and they dont abuse your better nature. i think lensmen should be available at gutenberg.org?
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yeah here u go http://www.gutenberg.org/files/22629/22629.txt
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rotor posted:yeah here u go cool, thanks
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rotor posted:yeah here u go 
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mr_jim posted:its me, im manly wade wellman
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Asimov magazine is still published. Wonder if it's any good.
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rotor posted:its me, im manly wade wellman i'm the blue guy that got his extra pith helmet knocked off by a crème brûlée torch.
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i read Speaker for the Dead a few weeks ago ebcause i remember one of you nerds saying it was the only good ender's game sequel it wasn't  it was lovely just like
gently caress yoooouuu
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Amethyst posted:cool, thanks np but dont read that, read this instead http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20869/20869-h/20869-h.htm Perhaps it is a bit unethical and unusual for editors to voice their opinion of their own wares, but when such a story as "The Skylark of Space" comes along, we just feel as if we must shout from the housetops that this is the greatest interplanetarian and space flying story that has appeared this year. Indeed, it probably will rank as one of the great space flying stories for many years to come. The story is chock full, not only of excellent science, but woven through it there is also that very rare element, love and romance. This element in an interplanetarian story is often apt to be foolish, but it does not seem so in this particular story. We know so little about intra-atomic forces, that this story, improbable as it will appear in spots, will read commonplace years hence, when we have atomic engines, and when we have solved the riddle of the atom. You will follow the hair-raising explorations and strange ventures into far-away worlds with bated breath, and you will be fascinated, as we were, with the strangeness of it all.
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rotor posted:np but dont read that, read this instead quote:He was aroused from his stunned inaction by the entrance of his colored laboratory helper, and silently motioned him to clean up the wreckage.
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z0ratio fartboner posted:i read Speaker for the Dead a few weeks ago ebcause i remember one of you nerds saying it was the only good ender's game sequel Sure as gently caress wasn't me, I slogged through 2 of the sequels and said gently caress this
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FMguru posted:What? / 
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its reeeeeaaaall!!!
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