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are there any good novels in that genre that aren't tolkien or tolkein ripoffs? in particular i'm looking for something sans elfs.
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its not that i dislike elfs, but after tolkien, a childhood full of d&d, endless tolkien ripoffs and three bojillion videogames, i've hit my elf tolerance threshold
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Jul 8, 2011 05:15
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i just want to read a good non-fiction book... i read speaker of the Dead because this forum so gently caress this forum! i'm the blue eyes of the weird people in the woods who have swordfights whilst Martin makes poo poo up like some sperg and by "swordfight" i mean i will whip my peen0r out at the drop of a hat
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Jul 8, 2011 05:18
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Teh boners
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holy poo poo when that one kid found that direwolf i was like "YEAH" and fist-pumped.
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Jul 8, 2011 05:19
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z0ratio fartboner posted:i just want to read a good non-fiction book how about The Bible
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Jul 8, 2011 05:19
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rotor posted:are there any good novels in that genre that aren't tolkien or tolkein ripoffs? in particular i'm looking for something sans elfs. It's a loooooooooooot easier to find good science fiction than it is to find good fantasy
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Jul 8, 2011 05:20
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rotor posted:how about The Bible lmao
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Jul 8, 2011 05:20
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Sneaking Mission posted:i know this may not be what you're looking for but have you tried not reading a song of fire and ice by george r. r. martin? fixed
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Jul 8, 2011 05:21
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z0ratio fartboner posted:lmao its the original Good Book, son
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Jul 8, 2011 05:21
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the last fantasy book I read was like 12 years ago. Mordant's Need by Stephen Donaldson. It was pretty good actually so I got that thomas convenant book and it turned out to be about a rapist sperg traveling to a fantasy world. I didn't finish that one.
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Jul 8, 2011 05:23
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i just open palmed slammed the delete button on my Kindle for George RR Martin. gonna just watch game of thrones... i heard it has boobs and i like boobs.
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Jul 8, 2011 05:23
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everyone post how many wheel of time books they made it through. 4
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Jul 8, 2011 05:24
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TOOT BOOT posted:It's a loooooooooooot easier to find good science fiction than it is to find good fantasy extremely true
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Jul 8, 2011 05:27
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literally the only sci-fi books that don;t seems to be well known after all these years are Mick Farren Protectorate and Their Master's War won't vouch for any of his other's but I liek these two... especially the second one... because it's all about overthrowing some alien dictator and rescuing an ENTIRE planetoid of women who have been hormonally, genetically, and psychologically manipulated to serve the war-fighting men. it's literally patriarchy ftw and a ticket to bonertown.
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Jul 8, 2011 05:28
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i honestly can't think of the last fantasy book i read. probably was lord of the rings around when the movies came out. last sci fi book was the red/green/blue mars trilogy.
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Jul 8, 2011 05:30
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rotor posted:its not that i dislike elfs, but after tolkien, a childhood full of d&d, endless tolkien ripoffs and three bojillion videogames, i've hit my elf tolerance threshold  No ¡ELVES¡
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Jul 8, 2011 05:30
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i have fond memories of the elric series but i was like 12 at the time. can an adult tell me if they're actually any good?
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Jul 8, 2011 05:31
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BUSINESS CATTE 2.0 posted:
loving ELFS!!!
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Jul 8, 2011 05:32
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quote:Berek Heartthew's son was Damelon Giantfriend, and his son was Loric Vilesilencer, who stemmed the corruption of the Demondim, rendering them impotent An actual sentence from thomas covenant. I'm struggling to remember any fantasy novels besides tolkein that are good. Those robin hobb assassin books are painful to remember. Characters had names like "Fitzchivalry" Amethyst fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Jul 8, 2011 |
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Jul 8, 2011 05:33
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rotor posted:i have fond memories of the elric series but i was like 12 at the time. can an adult tell me if they're actually any good? they very wildly from "eh" to "holy poo poo quit whining you loving nancy" to "hay this wasn't bad and actually had some character depth ok i guess i liked it" the ratios of each are the subject of infinite debate i'd say it's about 5000:243112609-1:2
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Jul 8, 2011 05:34
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I think the only reason tolkein is good is because he just wanted to sperg out about languages and songs and myths, and then everyone that came after decided the window dressing parts (orcs and stuff) were the important bit
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Jul 8, 2011 05:35
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elric of melniboner
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Jul 8, 2011 05:35
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Sci fis are gay
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Jul 8, 2011 05:40
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TOOT BOOT posted:I think the only reason tolkein is good is because he just wanted to sperg out about languages and songs and myths, and then everyone that came after decided the window dressing parts (orcs and stuff) were the important bit nah... Tolkien owns... I will never read the hobbit again tho lovely compared to his later works
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Jul 8, 2011 06:00
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Mufreesboro posted:Sci fis are gay no u
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Jul 8, 2011 06:00
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z0ratio fartboner posted:nah... Tolkien owns... I will never read the hobbit again tho the hobbit was intended as a child's bedtime story so it's drastically different in tone from the other stuff
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Jul 8, 2011 06:02
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star wars eu is weird because they've constructed narratives around characters that only ever had a name so they could make an action figure out of it
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Jul 8, 2011 06:05
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boy i sure am excited to read the further adventures of a character that was a nameless extra in a rubber suit
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Jul 8, 2011 06:06
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topical
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Jul 8, 2011 06:13
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since nobody apparently cares about voyager past shoving it up on netflix, it shows up on the 360 as <i>Voyager</i> in the ep descriptions what are good tng episodes including "there are four lights"
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Jul 8, 2011 06:19
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JawnV6 posted:since nobody apparently cares about voyager past shoving it up on netflix, it shows up on the 360 as <i>Voyager</i> in the ep descriptions the rape gang episodes were p. good
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Jul 8, 2011 06:35
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Good fantasy without elves: Robert E. Howard: Conan stories and others. Howard was actually kind of an amazing author, particularly given the limitations of the markets he was publishing in. Glen Cook: The Black Company books (ten novels). Tales of a mercenary company that has no problem working for the bad guys. Gritty, nasty, realistic, fun. The first three are best, after that Cook kind of loses the plot. Glen Cook: Garrett, PI series (thirteen novels). Pastiches of classic noir/detective fiction, set in a sprawling fantasy city. Noir fiction maps to fantasy fiction in a surprisingly easy way. There are a couple of elvish characters, but they aren't typical elves, and they play a minor part in the stories. Jack Vance: Dying Earth (four books). One of the grand masters, and the rare writer who could pass for actual literature. Much of his work was looted by Gygax for D&D (the magic system, in particular). Also check out his Lyonesse series. Joe Abercrombie: The First Law (a trilogy, plus two standalone follow-on novels). Gritty, realistic fantasy, very well told, owes a lot to Cook. The final book of the trilogy is just plot twist after plot twist, every single one of which is legitimately foreshadowed and makes logical sense, which is drat impressive for a first-time writer. Barry Hughart: Bridge of Birds and its two sequels. A fantastic novel set in an imaginary China. Pretty much the best thing I read last year. Gene Wolfe: Book of the New Sun (four volumes) and its follow-ons. The other fantasy writer that deserves literary consideration. Difficult, brilliant. Terry Pratchett: Yeah, yeah. His fan club is goony and horrible, and his later novels vary in quality, but his good books are very good indeed. Try Mort, Going Postal, Intersting Times, Pyramids, Small Gods, and The Last Hero as entry points. Diana Wynn Jones: The Tough Guide To Fantasyland. A hilarious A-Z collection of every single fantasy cliche, done in the style of travel guidebook.
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Jul 8, 2011 06:57
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oh yeah, need to read those gene wolfe books
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Jul 8, 2011 07:12
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Gene Wolfe is solid
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Jul 8, 2011 07:13
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well if two noted yosposters can agree, i guess i'll give it a poo poo i meant shot there but i'm just gonna leave the typo as-is
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Jul 8, 2011 07:25
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JawnV6 posted:since nobody apparently cares about voyager past shoving it up on netflix, it shows up on the 360 as <i>Voyager</i> in the ep descriptions The one where data learns about humanity get it, its a subtle joke suggesting that they're ALL GOOD WATCH THEM ALL FOREVER
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Jul 8, 2011 08:32
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ADINSX posted:The one where data learns about humanity and the one where worf gets beaten up. and the one where troi is useless.
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Jul 8, 2011 08:39
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i also really liked that one twilight zone with the twist ending!
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Jul 8, 2011 08:41
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I just programmed an AI pilot to fly a ship into the space WTC. 9/11/9011 E: Turns out the space WTC was full of robots and now they are trying to kill us all.
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yo everyone read some stanislaw lem instead of your mediocre uninspired capitalist scifi from america. some good books by him: fiasco (about a failed attempt to establish contact with another civilization) solaris (obviously) the cyberiad (humorous short stories) his masters voice (about attempting to decrypt an extraterrestrial radio transmission) the futurological congress (won't spoil anything, but it's quite twisted)
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