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and even if they somehow had convinced the publisher to try printing a book that couldn't be issued as a single paperback, there's no way the bookstores would have stood for it. i guess there's already something of a minor revolt against huge fantasy books taking up a lot of shelf space
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:that's what he thought too, the problem is he went in with the objective of closing all the plot threads that Jordan left open Jesus christ Atlas Shrugged is nearly 1.5 times the size of all the lord of the rings books? Thats why libertarians exist, because of the air tight argument "well if you'd read Atlas Shrugged". Of course I won't. Maybe I'll start a political party based off war and peace (if someone could just sumarize it for me)
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:that's what he thought too, the problem is he went in with the objective of closing all the plot threads that Jordan left open yeah see maybe once it's done if they can crank out a 100k per book abridged version i'll check it out
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:that's what he thought too, the problem is he went in with the objective of closing all the plot threads that Jordan left open fuckin lol
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I'm convinced that at some point Jordan renegotiated his contract to get paid by the word
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It seems like someone decided that longer is better and editors just stopped trying to edit books. I'm not sure when it started, was it with The Wheel of Time? Sometimes an author's books get longer as they become more famous: the first Harry Potter books were 200-300 pages, but after the series became a hit they ballooned to 600-800 pages.Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The whole Lord of the Rings trilogy: ~454,000
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Jul 9, 2011 22:36
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Action Jacktion posted:It's pretty telling that LotR has less than 500k words but still feels more detailed and more believable than stuff like WoT. Tolkien spent a lot of time planning before he even began writing the books. Having poo poo like extremely detailed maps, culture histories, languages, and religions makes it very easy to keep your story consistent (and therefore believable) than if you have to try to make sit up as you go along.
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Open up a george R.R Martin or Robert Jordan to a random page and I guarantee there is a description of either a)sandalwood carvings b)lobstered metal hauberks c)a road good god those books are boring. I finished Lord of light not long ago and it was really good.
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Action Jacktion posted:It seems like someone decided that longer is better and editors just stopped trying to edit books. I'm not sure when it started, was it with The Wheel of Time? Sometimes an author's books get longer as they become more famous: the first Harry Potter books were 200-300 pages, but after the series became a hit they ballooned to 600-800 pages. Editors have less power as authors get more popular, ie. Stephen King. Seriously, who's going to tell Stephen King his endings are poo poo?
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Jul 10, 2011 03:56
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"You know what really made these books bestsellers? The stuff that wasn't in them."
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rotor posted:"You know what really made these books bestsellers? The stuff that wasn't in them." don't see why that's odd your posting keeps getting better the less there is of it
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golgo13sf posted:Editors have less power as authors get more popular, ie. Stephen King. Seriously, who's going to tell Stephen King his endings are poo poo? I will.
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golgo13sf posted:Editors have less power as authors get more popular, ie. Stephen King. Seriously, who's going to tell Stephen King his endings are poo poo?
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Currently reading the Night Angel trilogy by Brent Weeks. Not too bad for a fantasy novel
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Amethyst posted:Open up a george R.R Martin or Robert Jordan to a random page and I guarantee there is a description of either I do love me some GRRM but apparently Storm of swords was 425,511 words which is a lot. The publisher didn't like publishing a book that big.
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haveblue posted:jesus gently caress either mods change name or YOSPOS: Tom Swift's Shitromatic Postamatron
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i remember the whole my teacher is an alien series by bruce coville being the absolute poo poo when i was like pre-6th grade
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Anyone else like Tad Williams Otherland series? I enjoyed them but they were very slow. That's kind of his thing though, if the other series of his I have read (and enjoyed), Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn is any indication.
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coaxmetal posted:Anyone else like Tad Williams Otherland series? I enjoyed them but they were very slow. That's kind of his thing though, if the other series of his I have read (and enjoyed), Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn is any indication.
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Shaggar posted:Play Nightbird!
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was gonna pick up the black company this weekend but no bookstores in town have it except for an indigo a buttfuck million miles away
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CoupleBeersNoBeers posted:i remember the whole my teacher is an alien series by bruce coville being the absolute poo poo when i was like pre-6th grade Retro-junior-readers postin ahead. Anyone read The Computer that said Steal Me when they were little? It sucked. Not sci-fi, but pretty YOSPOS as the kid steals a $300 (in 1983 dollars!) Tandy-brand chess computer from a radio shack. OK, it was a Tandy/RatShack literary knockoff brand, but it's the thought that counts. I did however devour most of William Sleator's books. I remember particularly liking Interstellar Pig and the Boy who Reversed Himself. Singularity was also great. It was about a twin with an inferiority complex that spent a year (in a single night) near a time anomaly out in the ol' farm shed to gain a year on his brother. A box of Nothing was also pretty cool. I'm trying to remember the name of this other book that was about a kid that found a shareware video game that sucked people into it. He teams up with the bully or something. I thought it was called "Invaders" or something, but it seems too general a search term and I haven't the foggiest about the author.
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coaxmetal posted:Anyone else like Tad Williams Otherland series? I enjoyed them but they were very slow. That's kind of his thing though, if the other series of his I have read (and enjoyed), Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn is any indication. I read the first two Shadowmarch books and they were interesting.
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didn't read otherland but did read a tad williams book which was your basic heroic fantasy story except all the characters were cats and woodland creatures. not anthropomorphized either, just animals (who could talk but that's it) "tailchaser's song" iirc william sleator owned
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Antillese posted:I'm trying to remember the name of this other book that was about a kid that found a shareware video game that sucked people into it. He teams up with the bully or something. I thought it was called "Invaders" or something, but it seems too general a search term and I haven't the foggiest about the author. Anyway I'm nearly done with Jack Vance's Lyonesse series and I didn't really like it. Sorry. But by all means read The Dying Earth books.
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Kirk posted:was gonna pick up the black company this weekend but no bookstores in town have it except for an indigo a buttfuck million miles away how long did it take you to finish dune? i am through just over half right now (reading for my first time also!!)
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iamthejeff posted:how long did it take you to finish dune? i am through just over half right now (reading for my first time also!!) idk i read the first half on a camping trip and then the second half sporadically across a week or two probably a grand total of 7-8hrs?
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CoupleBeersNoBeers posted:i remember the whole my teacher is an alien series by bruce coville being the absolute poo poo when i was like pre-6th grade holla i only got to read up to the point where this one kid goes into space to join some big space police force
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Action Jacktion posted:Space Demons? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Demons Yup, that's it. Never read any of the sequels though. Hilarious that you were able to ID it based on my crappy description.
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has anyone said peter f hamilton yet because peter f hamilton owns and his books own and his characters own
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l ron hubbard
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CHARONS BOAT RIDER posted:1 iron cupboard L. RONS TAX WRITEOFF
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I was gonna go to H.Ps LOVE CRAFTER for a while
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Sniep posted:l ron hubbard http://www.modernlibrary.com/top-100/100-best-novels/ The reader's list of 100 best novels is pretty bad: 4 ayn rand and 3 l ron hubbard in the top 10.
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Space Core Directive #592 In an emergency situation involving two or more officers of equal rank, seniority will be granted to whichever officer can program a VCR.
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CHARONS BOAT RIDER posted:Space Core Directive #592 this is an actual quote from a terry pratchett novel isnt it
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