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VaultAggie posted:Jesus, that's complicated. So who fought in the rebellion and why? I barely remember any of this, much less figure out all the details.
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VaultAggie posted:He upended a game of Cyvasse when Tyrio beat him then made Tyrion pick up the pieces. That doesn't exactly scream humble to me. I had forgotten about that, maybe you're right
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Jul 26, 2011 01:34
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The talk of Bloodraven inspired me to find and read "The Mystery Knight". Now THIS is the GRRM I know and love! an absolute fucker posted:"Look," said Ser Kyle the Cat. "The wedding pie."  New theory: Hot Pie is descended from the Butterwells. He just has to be.
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Jul 26, 2011 01:40
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The Mystery Knight is the best D&E story by a landslide. The Hedge Knight is OK and The Sworn Sword is pretty bad.
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Jul 26, 2011 01:55
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I really hate moron protagonists (or yeah, "decent guys who just appear slow-witted", sure) so I'm prejudiced against the short stories, but what the hell is the point? (besides filling out the backstory)
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Xander77 posted:I really hate moron protagonists (or yeah, "decent guys who just appear slow-witted", sure) so I'm prejudiced against the short stories, but what the hell is the point? (besides filling out the backstory) IIRC, the main idea was to show that Westeros wasn't *always* a Mutter Courage inferno of lawlessness and betrayals, and that under the Targaryens before Aerys II it was a relatively peaceful and orderly place (though still with all the unfairness and poverty of the feudal Middle Ages). To that purpose it works admirably. I just wish GRRM hadn't felt compelled to also give them near-Hollywood endings, because they just don't sound convincing.
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Jul 26, 2011 02:18
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So now that Bran is becoming a tree, does he still need Hodor? I was really hoping for a Master Blaster-esque sex scene.
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Doibhilin posted:So now that Bran is becoming a tree, does he still need Hodor? I was really hoping for a Master Blaster-esque sex scene. Given the talk about warging into people being an 'abomination' and the time devoted to talking about how Hodor responds to it, GRRM's almost definitely going to do something with it before it's over. It's just a question of whether he has any idea what.
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Jul 26, 2011 02:53
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Liesmith posted:Right but honestly who gives a gently caress now? A little taste of it is interesting sure but we aren't reading books about the blackfyre rebellion we are reading about the Prince that was Promised I would venture it sets up more of the Targaryen intrigue. Judging by the Blackfyre thing, the Ninepenny Kings and Dance of Dragons, it would seem that the Targaryen dynasty was pretty fractured and this could come into play when Aegon VI makes his play
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Jul 26, 2011 03:02
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lapse posted:I had forgotten about that, maybe you're right As for the humility to Tyrion remember: 1. His house killed and raped Aegon's mother and sister 2. He just killed a sitting king (as far as anyone knows) 3. He's a dwarf 4. He killed his own father Tyrion's a great guy but according to the norms of the day, a quick wit doesn't warrant a "please"
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Jul 26, 2011 03:05
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It's obviously more of Gurm's "grey and grey" morality. Anime-haired destined philosopher king with a strong sense of duty BUT HE IS A SORE LOSER AT CHESS. Character development.
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Jul 26, 2011 04:03
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Someone last page mentioned dany not even reaching westeros. With Victarion and tyrion converging on meereen and aegon already in westeros, the ultimate gurm gently caress-offs of all gurm gently caress-offs would have Vic steal the dragons with the horn and the aide of tyrion and have dany die, leaving her entire arc of supposed/coming conquest be null and void. vic would team up with aegon, who tyrion would urge to loving burn kings landing to the ground. I would laugh and laugh and it would be the best twist in modern literature.
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Jul 26, 2011 04:24
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meanolmrcloud posted:Someone last page mentioned dany not even reaching westeros. With Victarion and tyrion converging on meereen and aegon already in westeros, the ultimate gurm gently caress-offs of all gurm gently caress-offs would have Vic steal the dragons with the horn and the aide of tyrion and have dany die, leaving her entire arc of supposed/coming conquest be null and void. vic would team up with aegon, who tyrion would urge to loving burn kings landing to the ground. I'm fine with that so long as Barristan and Belwas survive and have a sweet buddy comedy
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Jul 26, 2011 05:12
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meanolmrcloud posted:Someone last page mentioned dany not even reaching westeros. With Victarion and tyrion converging on meereen and aegon already in westeros, the ultimate gurm gently caress-offs of all gurm gently caress-offs would have Vic steal the dragons with the horn and the aide of tyrion and have dany die, leaving her entire arc of supposed/coming conquest be null and void. vic would team up with aegon, who tyrion would urge to loving burn kings landing to the ground. Where does Bronn work into this story? This is important. Also Sandor has to wind up marrying Littlefinger dressed in drag as a sort of Warner Brothers type spin.
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I just finished it a few hours ago and have a few questions. Is Mother Mole (I think that was her name) Six Skins? Also, speaking of worgs is it possible John "worgs/Skin jumps" his way into Ghost? How many times did Gurm mention "The boy must die for the man to be born, Kill the boy". And didn't Melissandre mention seeing something in her flames about man > wolf > man? If John actually manages to worg his way into anything I hope its Wun Wun.
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Ckwiesr posted:Is Mother Mole (I think that was her name) Six Skins? I don't think so. I think Sixskins warged into the one-eyed wolf that Summer beat and made part of his pack. I don't remember what happened to Summer's pack after they entered the Children of the Forest's hideout.
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Ckwiesr posted:If John actually manages to worg his way into anything I hope its Wun Wun.
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Sarkozymandias posted:It's obviously more of Gurm's "grey and grey" morality. Anime-haired destined philosopher king with a strong sense of duty BUT HE IS A SORE LOSER AT CHESS. Character development. Or it might hint on a certain kind of anger, arrogance and cruelty that might lead to yet another king named "the Cruel", "the Unworthy", "the Mad" if left unguided. Or to a lost rebellion, because in the real deal you can't simply turn over the board and make your enemy pick up the pieces if you're losing.
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I'm basically skipping through thirty pages of this thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned already or done to death or something, but am I the only one who thinks Lady Lemore is not Ashara but is in fact the mother of one of the Sand Snakes? Wasn't it mentioned that one of them was the daughter of a septa that the Red Viper had...ahem, corrupted? I know it's a stretch since Dorne apparently didn't know about Aegon, but it seems odd that the Grum would go out of his way to mention that she had pregnancy stretch marks, and since I think we're only told about one septa who's had such a fall from grace... Or is it just stupid?
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Aegon flipped over a chessboard, Joffrey made people fight to death, made Sansa kiss her dead fathers head and cut cats open.the thing that makes him not so ideal as a king is that Tyrion was able to make him throw away 17 years of meticulous planning with one little speech. He's gullible and easily manipulated, but the fact that he acts impussively probably has more to do with his age than his overall character. ^^^^^^ didn't Doran send the Sand Snake who's mother was a Septon to Kings Landing to get close to the new High Septon?^^^^^^
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Still waiting for my used copy to show up from Amazon... but just from reading comments, It seems this book went in a way loving different direction than I was expecting. I mean, New Secret Targs, Dorne's Fire and Blood gutters out, Hodor dies, who the gently caress is Bloodraven, and Bran is turning into a I've got to read those lovely other novels now so I know what is going on? gently caress Egg. The Hedge Knight was ok, but I couldn't get through 2 chapters of the other ones. Anyway, this forum is serious-posting about Secret Targs and Wargs. so, I salute you Absolute Fucker! edit: Targs and Wargs sounds like a D&D expansion module. kcroy fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Jul 26, 2011 |
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bigmcgaffney posted:We're not reading about the Prince That Was Promised, he doesn't even have his own POV. We're reading about pink wearing psychopaths and frey cooks. Dany is the prince who was promised according to Maester Aemon. Also possibly Jon??? The only candidate who doesn't have a PoV here is Griff/Aegon since there are supposed to be three of them and the only other guy in the running got set on fire.
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kcroy posted:I've got to read those lovely other novels now so I know what is going on? gently caress Egg. The Hedge Knight was ok, but I couldn't get through 2 chapters of the other ones. No, you don't need to read the Dunk & Egg stories (which I didn't find lovely at all), not knowing who Bloodraven was works fine enough, as it doesn't matter who he was. No, Hordor doesn't die (yet), this was just a German reviewer who apparently overestimated his language skills.
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Jul 26, 2011 10:31
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Illinois Smith posted:There's no way Hodor dies before Bran wargrapes Myra. What's a war grape?
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Jul 26, 2011 11:22
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And I don't think Bran has even heard of Myra Stone (Robert's bastard girl in the Vale). Meera and Jojen don't die either in ADWD, before the question arises.
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Decius posted:And I don't think Bran has even heard of Myra Stone (Robert's bastard girl in the Vale). Meera and Jojen don't die either in ADWD, before the question arises. Isn't that mya stone jeez please seize and desist!!!
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Jul 26, 2011 11:43
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someone post the frequency of the phrase 'not wrong' in all of the books please.
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Decius posted:And I don't think Bran has even heard of Myra Stone (Robert's bastard girl in the Vale). Meera and Jojen don't die either in ADWD, before the question arises.
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Arturo Ui posted:someone post the frequency of the phrase 'not wrong' in all of the books please. This is something that must needs be done.
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Jul 26, 2011 12:55
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Has anyone worked out how long Theon was kept imprisoned and tortured in the Dreadfort for?
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Jul 26, 2011 12:58
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According to my PDFs, the frequency of "Not wrong": GoT:0 ACoK:1 ASOS:0 AFFC:7 ADWD:27
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Jul 26, 2011 13:50
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bambus posted:According to my PDFs, the frequency of "Not wrong": Thanks. It felt like even more because they're concentrated at the end of the book. Anyone notice that Beric Dondarrion isn't listed as dead in the appendix (just 'thought dead')?
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I am sure this may have been posted, but I avoided these threads for a long time because of spoilers: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/11/110411fa_fact_miller?currentPage=all My favorite part quote:Like many “Lost” fans, Martin resented the series’s mystical ending, which left dozens of narrative threads dangling. “We watched it every week trying to figure it out, and as it got deeper and deeper I kept saying, ‘They better have something good in mind for the end. This end better pay off here.’ And then I felt so cheated when we got to the conclusion.” 
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menino posted:Tyrion's a great guy but according to the norms of the day, a quick wit doesn't warrant a "please" Tyrion's actually a huge dick and I'm pretty sure he was baiting Aegon/Griff into flipping out when they were playing chess and hey he succeeded
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"must needs": GoT:5 ACoK:3 ASOS:8 AFFC:12 ADWD:22
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lapse posted:The "Bloodraven = 3-eyed crow" theory has been around ever since the novella The Sworn Sword. That's where you get most of the information about him. You definitely wouldn't have had enough information to work with, just from the main series, but if you read the novellas, a lot of people picked up on it. Look at me coming up with Tyrion Secret Targ and everyone going "woah that makes way too much sense": http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2327492&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=24 Also: lol  Ray_ posted:Argh, why won't he finish the loving book already??? It was like two years in between the first three. '96, '98, '00, '05, and we'll be lucky to get the next one in 2008. Edit: May 01, 2007 14:23 Ray_ fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jul 26, 2011 |
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For those not feeling like reading through the novellas, I really recommend checking out the graphic novels. You'll get the same info as the books, but with pretty pictures!
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Sorry I might have missed it, anyone got a lamprey count?
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Limp Wristed Limey posted:Sorry I might have missed it, anyone got a lamprey count? ACoK: 6 ASOS: 1 (14 if you count all the times Davos refers to "Lamprey" the gaoler) AFFC: 1 ADWD: 6
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