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Charles Martel
Mar 7, 2007

"The Hero of the Age..."

The hero of all ages

lohli posted:

XPadder is working fine for me on windows 7, have you tried compatibility mode?

Derp, I didn't think of that. It works now, but I can't seem to find a game profile for what I'm trying to play (Psi-Ops) and trying to make one from scratch was a mess. Gonna try out PGP.

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Shameproof
Mar 23, 2011

I was considering getting TrackIR, but I heard that they dropped mouse emulation... are there any third-party workarounds, because I'd be more interested in using it for FPS games than flight sims.

lohli
Jun 30, 2008

Charles Martel posted:

Derp, I didn't think of that. It works now, but I can't seem to find a game profile for what I'm trying to play (Psi-Ops) and trying to make one from scratch was a mess. Gonna try out PGP.

Making one from scratch is only terrible while you setup the key layout for the device you're using, otherwise it's only as awkward as I could expect any other similar program to be.

Charles Martel
Mar 7, 2007

"The Hero of the Age..."

The hero of all ages

lohli posted:

Making one from scratch is only terrible while you setup the key layout for the device you're using, otherwise it's only as awkward as I could expect any other similar program to be.

It's a mess meaning that I tried to map the PC controls in Xpadder and make a profile to make the game work as if I was playing the version on the original XBox. Only, it didn't work quite as well since some buttons did several things at once and I couldn't get it to work right.

Pinnacle, on the other hand, works quite well if I run it in administrator mode since one of the guys from the program made a profile for it himself and it works a lot better.

Now if I could just get rid of the choppy mouse aim, I'd be in business.

Red_Fred
Oct 21, 2010


Fallen Rib

Blackula69 posted:

Performance comparison: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20

It's BMW vs Volkswagen, pretty much. If you can afford it, get an i5, and honestly I would prefer one just to have the ability to OC it to kingdom come

So they are both poo poo, unreliable and overpriced? Maybe a bad car analogy there.

Sorry that was old but I felt it had to be said. :colbert:

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot

Shameproof posted:

I was considering getting TrackIR, but I heard that they dropped mouse emulation... are there any third-party workarounds, because I'd be more interested in using it for FPS games than flight sims.

Pretty sure TrackIR has way too much latency to use for actually aiming things.

Essobie
Jan 31, 2003

WHAT? THIS IS MY REGULAR SPEAKING VOICE.
Is this better?

Shameproof posted:

I was considering getting TrackIR, but I heard that they dropped mouse emulation... are there any third-party workarounds, because I'd be more interested in using it for FPS games than flight sims.

Patch notes on naturalpoint.com list mouse emulation included in version 4.1.025 of their software, and there is no indication it has been removed.

However, looking around in an FPS with a TrackIR seems like it'd be pretty awful, but not because of any latency (which they list as only 9ms).

Strong Female
Jul 27, 2010

I don't think you've been paying attention
TrackIR would be terrible for aiming things, but it's amazing for the few FPS games like ARMA where looking around is separated from aiming at things.

I wish more games did that.

I'm making a montage of upcoming PC game trailers for 2011-2012 and this is the list I've compiled so far:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag42gMGK9WrwdHZWQnktS3VCUXVCVWw0b2VnYUJtQUE&hl=en_US&authkey=CJX6xa0P

What am I missing?

This was last year's (and it actually was really well received):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_UOABfBAI

Strong Female fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jul 29, 2011

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Amrosorma posted:

TrackIR would be terrible for aiming things, but it's amazing for the few FPS games like ARMA where looking around is separated from aiming at things.

I wish more games did that.

I'm making a montage of upcoming PC game trailers for 2011-2012 and this is the list I've compiled so far:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag42gMGK9WrwdHZWQnktS3VCUXVCVWw0b2VnYUJtQUE&hl=en_US&authkey=CJX6xa0P

What am I missing?

This was last year's (and it actually was really well received):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_UOABfBAI

Tropico 4, Stronghold 3, Renegade Ops, Guild Wars 2, and eh, might as well throw Modern Warfare 3 in there, like it or not.

Strong Female
Jul 27, 2010

I don't think you've been paying attention

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

Tropico 4, Stronghold 3, Renegade Ops, Guild Wars 2, and eh, might as well throw Modern Warfare 3 in there, like it or not.

Tropico 4 and Stronghold 3 are more like strategy games, aren't they? Guild Wars 2's an MMO and I want to avoid that as well.

I'll definitely include Renegade Ops though.

Diquebutt
Feb 17, 2011

by Fistgrrl
Is Logitech known for their reliability? I just had my keyboard short out after years of use and I figured I'd ask because it and my headset have lasted me so long and worked so well for how cheap they were.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126096

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104228

For those interested, if you're looking for something on the cheap.

Namnesor
Jun 29, 2005

Dante's allowance - $100

Diquebutt posted:

Is Logitech known for their reliability? I just had my keyboard short out after years of use and I figured I'd ask because it and my headset have lasted me so long and worked so well for how cheap they were.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126096

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104228

For those interested, if you're looking for something on the cheap.

Very much so, their customer service is legendarily excellent as well. Can't go wrong with Logitech.

Rookersh
Aug 19, 2010
Two questions.

First off, I'm looking for a new monitor, however just one that will last me a year, maybe a year and a half before I get serious about buying something new. I'm currently looking at the ASUS VH236H 23" as it seems the best choice around that price range, however I also noticed this TV seems to be pretty cheap, while also being a decent size. Are there better options for around that price range? If not, which of the two would be best? I remember hearing bad things about using a TV as a monitor in the past, but uh, thats quite a bit larger for around the same price, so just wondering what I'm missing out on here.

Secondly, is there any sort of gadget that allows one to connect headset/headphone/microphone connectors in to a USB port? You know, the little green and red dangly things at the end of cheaper headsets? My headphone port works fine, however the port for inbound/microphones is totally broken, and can't receive signals, so I'm hoping to find some way to plug these things in to a USB connector, so I can actually talk to people again.

e: Or better yet, can I just switch them up in a menu of some sort? Like switch a speaker slot to function as a microphone slot?

Rookersh fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Jul 30, 2011

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

Rookersh posted:

I remember hearing bad things about using a TV as a monitor in the past, but uh, thats quite a bit larger for around the same price, so just wondering what I'm missing out on here.
The TV has way lower resolution than the monitor, it'll look like crap in comparison. The 90-day warranty is also fairly offputting.

There's a monitor megathread in SH/SC, might be worth checking it out.

Walton Simons
May 16, 2010

ELECTRONIC OLD MEN RUNNING THE WORLD
I use a 1080p LG TV for PC gaming and it looks great. The monitor thread says it's an awful idea but considering I used it for my 360 for years, this PC is almost purely for gaming and it's of comparable resolution to reasonably priced monitors I don't see a problem until 2560x1600 drops to a reasonable price.

Funso Banjo
Dec 22, 2003

Amrosorma posted:

TrackIR would be terrible for aiming things, but it's amazing for the few FPS games like ARMA where looking around is separated from aiming at things.

I wish more games did that.

I'm making a montage of upcoming PC game trailers for 2011-2012 and this is the list I've compiled so far:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag42gMGK9WrwdHZWQnktS3VCUXVCVWw0b2VnYUJtQUE&hl=en_US&authkey=CJX6xa0P

What am I missing?

This was last year's (and it actually was really well received):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_UOABfBAI

Would love to see a proper list like this for all genres of anticipated pc games. The ones Dr Vid posted, plus Trackmania 2 Canyon which looks stonking. I bet there's plenty of others, too, but I still feel like nothings coming out on pc unless I see it listed.

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!
You may need to shop around a little bit, but so long as you use an HDMI cable, you're fine plugging your computer into a TV. The differences in flat-panel TVs and "monitors" these days are miniscule and mostly come down to what inputs they have (gently caress I wish the Dell U2401 came with RCA audio :argh: ). So long as it's 1080p the resolution and display will be fine.

Also holky fukc this needs to be posted here

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130573&Tpk=01G-P3-1452-TR

A GeForce GTX460 for ninety bucks after rebate

If your graphics card is a little out of date, go for that, that is an absolutely ridiculous deal

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot
That is a GTS 450, an entirely different thing.

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!

K8.0 posted:

That is a GTS 450, an entirely different thing.

Blargh, sorry, supposedly the 460 is up next, though. Keep checking http://www.evga.com/deals

(Original CAG thread)

If they really do sell the 460 for $90 it'll be an absolutely ridiculous deal

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

Crosspostin' from parts picking

quote:

If I go from a Radeon HD 3600something (maybe 50? 80?) to a HD6570, how much of an improvement will I get? If at all. The obvious thing is DirectX 11, but is the card actually any more powerful, faster, etc. Why does this have to be so hard anyway, just put out one card a year and put "this is better than the last one" on the box AMD

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
Really, really don't buy an ATI card if you can help it.

Edit:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

Moongrave fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jul 30, 2011

Red Baron
Mar 9, 2007

ty slumfrog :)

CHARONS BOAT RIDER posted:

Really, really don't buy an ATI card if you can help it.

Edit:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

You shut up, I hate myself and I like my video cards and their drivers to reflect that :colbert:

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender

CHARONS BOAT RIDER posted:

Really, really don't buy an ATI card if you can help it.

Edit:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

ATI cards are fine. Buy whatever card is currently reviewed well and has a good price for its performance. Ignore if its ATI or nvidia.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

CHARONS BOAT RIDER posted:

Really, really don't buy an ATI card if you can help it.

Edit:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

Passmark benchmarks, really? You couldn't have shown benchmarks from actual games?

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6990-review/19
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4209/amds-radeon-hd-6990-the-new-single-card-king/7
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/03/07/amd_radeon_hd_6990_antilles_video_card_review/3

See how easy it is to provide conflicting reports? Why this debate is so incredibly stupid and pointless?

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

CHARONS BOAT RIDER posted:

Really, really don't buy an ATI card if you can help it.

Edit:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

This is really helpful, thanks. Got nothing against ATI though :colbert:

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Amppelix posted:

This is really helpful, thanks. Got nothing against ATI though :colbert:

Actually, it's not helpful at all because it doesn't tell you anything about how actual games will run. Please ignore every single benchmark from any dedicated benchmark software when making hardware purchasing decisions. Stuff like Passmark is absolutely worthless.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

Passmark benchmarks, really? You couldn't have shown benchmarks from actual games?

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6990-review/19
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4209/amds-radeon-hd-6990-the-new-single-card-king/7
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/03/07/amd_radeon_hd_6990_antilles_video_card_review/3

See how easy it is to provide conflicting reports? Why this debate is so incredibly stupid and pointless?

You seem pretty mad.

ATI has horrific drivers, Nvidia has less horrific drivers. That's the point.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

CHARONS BOAT RIDER posted:

You seem pretty mad.

ATI has horrific drivers, Nvidia has less horrific drivers. That's the point.

Still, the only thing you've shown is that ATI drivers are less optimized for the specific benchmark(s) used to produce those graphs, nothing else. So you've made a point and it's moot. (That's not to say there couldn't be actual games that can be shown to run better on one or the other but if you want to make that point, link to something else.)

Devil Wears Wings
Jul 17, 2006

Look ye upon the wages of diet soda and weep, for it is society's fault.

CHARONS BOAT RIDER posted:

You seem pretty mad.

ATI has horrific drivers, Nvidia has less horrific drivers. That's the point.

No they don't and you're a moron. Each video card's driver set has its own issues and neither is really better or worse than the other nowadays.

See, for reference, this chart:



Balance that out by the fact that NVidia had a much larger marketshare than ATI/AMD in 2008 and you can see that both manufacturers' drivers have an about equal host of problems.

Jerry Cotton posted:

Still, the only thing you've shown is that ATI drivers are less optimized for the specific benchmark(s) used to produce those graphs, nothing else. So you've made a point and it's moot.

Also this. Synthetic benchmarks are crap.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



My ASUS 560ti crapped out on me in two weeks and happened overnight. Games were crashing hard as soon as there was any graphics meant to come on screen. Such a loving balloon deflating experience (if that makes sense). I popped in my GTX275 and while loving loud as poo poo when games are on (it's from BFG, not sure if that makes a difference) it's playing stuff okay for now. NCIX has my new card shipping and hopefully this one will be fine.

mcvey
Aug 31, 2006

go caps haha

*Washington Capitals #1 Fan On DeviantArt*
This pie chart from over 3 years ago is completely relevant when talking about today's hardware and drivers, yes.

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

CHARONS BOAT RIDER posted:

You seem pretty mad.

ATI has horrific drivers, Nvidia has less horrific drivers. That's the point.

That was true up until AMD bought out ATI.

Devil Wears Wings
Jul 17, 2006

Look ye upon the wages of diet soda and weep, for it is society's fault.

mcvey posted:

This pie chart from over 3 years ago is completely relevant when talking about today's hardware and drivers, yes.

It's just an example, and unless AMD's drivers have taken a horrible nosedive in quality over the past three years (they haven't) then it's still useful for illustrating the point.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

CHARONS BOAT RIDER posted:

You seem pretty mad.

ATI has horrific drivers, Nvidia has less horrific drivers. That's the point.

Is that the point? You didn't mention drivers in your other post. I'm not mad, just frustrated that people keep trying to spark ridiculous brand loyalty arguments in a thread where it has no place, with evidence that's complete garbage.

sethsez
Jul 14, 2006

He's soooo dreamy...

mcvey posted:

This pie chart from over 3 years ago is completely relevant when talking about today's hardware and drivers, yes.

You're absolutely right.

ATI/AMD drivers have gotten a lot better over the last three years.

Kaboobi
Jan 5, 2005

SHAKE IT BABY!
SALT THAT LADY!

ATI's drivers have significantly improved over the last couple of years. 5 years ago they used to be a loving mess, but they're fine now.

Setzer Gabbiani
Oct 13, 2004

If anything, the problem lately with Catalyst is that the drivers have loads of cool poo poo you can enable and adjust, but anyone who just installs CCC and calls it good will never see that poo poo, reason being on the chance that things like temporal AA or HQ AF will break a handful of games, which is why both haven't been selectable anymore in CCC circa 2005-ish, and were demoted to registry values only. ATT lets you enable all of this, and all the other cool hidden stuff like EATM and line AA, but for the average user, AMD is more focused on move-slider-right-get-good-grafix. And I'm not too wild on the reliance of CAP's to fix newer games in lieu of hotfixes lately, Crysis 2 being a big one

Still, I will never forget the painful era when CCC began to rely on .net :suicide:

Setzer Gabbiani fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jul 31, 2011

Devil Wears Wings
Jul 17, 2006

Look ye upon the wages of diet soda and weep, for it is society's fault.

Setzer Gabbiani posted:

If anything, the problem lately with Catalyst is that the drivers have loads of cool poo poo you can enable and adjust, but anyone who just installs CCC and calls it good will never see that poo poo, reason being on the chance that things like temporal AA or HQ AF will break a handful of games, which is why both haven't been selectable anymore in CCC circa 2005-ish, and were demoted to registry values only. ATT lets you enable all of this, and all the other cool hidden stuff like EATM and line AA, but for the average user, AMD is more focused on move-slider-right-get-good-grafix. And I'm not too wild on the reliance of CAP's to fix newer games in lieu of hotfixes lately, Crysis 2 being a big one

Still, I will never forget the painful era when CCC began to rely on .net :suicide:

You can still use CCC to force up to 16x AF in games that don't have the option built-in, and morphological AA is like some wonderful voodoo magic. I don't know what it was like in 2005 since I just got back into PC gaming circa-2009, but nowadays CCC still has some pretty powerful graphics options.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something
I love people that drag out the tired old "ATI's drivers are crap!" argument. All it does is instantly paint them as an idiot who read something a decade ago and still holds on to that info as gospel.

It's like the morons who still complain about how Creatives drivers are bloated and full of shovelware. Say what you will about whether a dedicated sound-card is even needed these days (they're not, mostly), but Creatives drivers haven't been full of any shovelware for more than a decade now, and what few apps they include don't have to be installed at all if you don't want them.

Considering the fact that most games these days aren't exactly blowing us away with revolutionary graphics because they're beholden to their console version, get any halfway decent graphics card from either manufacturer and you'll be fine.


Setzer Gabbiani posted:

And I'm not too wild on the reliance of CAP's to fix newer games in lieu of hotfixes lately, Crysis 2 being a big one.

What does this even mean? So you'd rather download a 100mb+ hotfix rather than a far smaller CAP file, which provides the exact same functionality in a smaller package?

Bloody Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jul 31, 2011

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washow
Dec 1, 2007

Here you go, op :toot:
Is 560 ti the best price/bang right now for mid 200s? When's the next gen shits coming out?

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