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Square Pair posted:I've traveled to the Weisn for the past couple of years and will be there this year as well. I agree with "Stuhlmajor" - there are more tourists at Oktoberfest than Germans - so much so that it is easy to forget you are actually in Germany. Especially in the Schottenheimer tent which is known as the 'international tent'. Someone should just hang the Australian flag on a pole outside. Regardless though it is still fun as hell and Munich is a fabulous city - just expensive as hell. Munich native checking in (recently returned to the city after several years abroad). The tent is called Schottenhamel, not Schottenheimer. Also the Wiesn is a festering pile of poo poo and vomit if you ask me. I avoid it every year, even though i live like 5 minutes walk away. To each his own. The restaurant behind the Hilton which you mentioned is the Hofräukeller am Wiener Platz, which is actually pretty decent. I know a lot about the less expensive and alternative spots in Munich - shoot if you need some non-touristy suggestions for this beautiful town!
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eine dose socken posted:Also the Wiesn is a festering pile of poo poo and vomit if you ask me. I avoid it every year, even though i live like 5 minutes walk away. To each his own. This. I hate being dragged there every year by my friends, my family AND my colleagues.
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Aug 4, 2011 21:21
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Haha not me. I'm as anti-Wiesn as you can get.I haven't been since i was 14, and that's a long time ago. I've never caught poo poo for it, being sick of the stupid Oktoberfest is a pretty common attitude among locals in Munich.
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Aug 4, 2011 22:30
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eine dose socken posted:Haha not me. I'm as anti-Wiesn as you can get.I haven't been since i was 14, and that's a long time ago. Or Bavarians in general. At least I'd like to think that. Oh who am I kidding...
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Aug 4, 2011 22:37
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Instead of going to Munich for Oktoberfest, come to Hamburg on a saturday night and take stroll on the Reeperbahn. Go clubbing, get wasted, buy drugs. experience being ripped of by a hooker, start a bar brawl and spend the rest of the night in a holding cell of the famous police station Davidswache. Reeperbahn > Wiesn 
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Aug 5, 2011 21:16
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DeusEx have you personally done all those things?
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niethan posted:DeusEx have you personally done all those things? Except the bar brawl and the police arrest. What shall I say, I'm a pussy I guess.
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Aug 5, 2011 21:42
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So in the beginning of october I'll be moving to south munich, can anyone say how nice the perlacher wald is compare to Hirschau? Also, what's there really to do in the far south of there? I've only ever really gone as far south as isarvorstadt/maxvorstadt
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You meant Isarvorstadt/Ludwigsvorstadt - Maxvorstadt is the neighborhood around Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität, it's north of the city center. How far south? The south isn't very interesting tbh, there's mostly residential neighborhoods that don't have a lot going for them. The Hirschau is much nicer than Perlacher Forst, it's mostly firs and tends to be quite gloomy except for the summer. I live in Sendling, near Harras, and that's as far south as i want to be- everything below the Brudermühlbrücke is really sleepy and suburban... The Isar is amazing in the south though- everything below Wittelsbacherbrücke is gorgeous since they renaturalized the river. Just bike south to the Isartal below Pullach, or even further to Kloster Schäftlarn, it'an amazing place to swim and enjoy nature. You can also make it a day trip to Bad Tölz or the Isarauen around Wolfratshausen, that's always great. Thalkirchen has a lot to offer if you like beer gardens and nature, and Giesing (especially Untergiesing) is packed with nice Greek and Bavarian restaurants. As for entertainment, just bike upstream and get drunk in Glockenbachviertel like everyone else 
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eine dose socken posted:Munich native checking in (recently returned to the city after several years abroad). Yep, that's it - the Hofraukeller. As time gets closer to the Wiesn I'll definitely shoot you a PM for some out of the way places in Munich. My two associates and I are laid back/non-obnoxious and would fit in anywhere. We are staying at the Hilton again so transportation isn't an issue. I know one thing I will ask is a place to buy lederhosen in Munich. There are plenty of shops in the city center/Marienplatz but they seem expensive. Hopefully there are other places a little cheaper but same quality.
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Aug 8, 2011 01:18
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tourists in lederhosen are loving offensive. If you like that kind of thing, you'll fit right in at Oktoberfest though.
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Aug 8, 2011 01:57
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Someone in munich should goonp it up with me once I get there for school in october. I'm living in perlach in the SW residence there. edit: this is also why I was asking about the perlacher wald
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Aug 8, 2011 06:46
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Previously on GBS posted:tourists in lederhosen are loving offensive. If you like that kind of thing, you'll fit right in at Oktoberfest though. Tourists in Lederhosen in Hamburg are even more offensive (as witnessed by me on Saturday).
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Pretty much anyone in Lederhosen is offensive to the regional populace somehow since, in 90% of the cases, it's either a mismatched clusterfuck of different regional/cultural attires, or, when someone actually has a matching set, they're wearing it in the wrong place, ie. generic bavarian outfit worn in Frankonia or vice versa. Not that I give too much of a poo poo, it's actually still mildly entertaining when people proudly tell you how authentic their outfit is and you can just shoot them down (or drive them into denial) with a few preprogrammed lines.
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Aug 8, 2011 08:42
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People in lederhosen are offensive because they look retarded as poo poo. But whatever suits you, dressing up in ridiculous garb to drink massive amounts of booze works well in other contexts- like mardi gras/carnivals/bad taste parties. Be warned though- there's a lot of people who loving hate lederhosen/tracht in general and on tourists especially. Expect to get treated like an idiot if you step off the tourist trail.
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I was born in Wurzburg and every year I'm asked why I'm not wearing lederhosen. Now it may be that they want to see me in lederhosen so they can laugh and troll me in German and have me respond in my horrible southeast american accent. It won't matter anyway, I just want to walk around with the cock-flap undone...
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Does anyone know anything about Hochschule Rhein-Waal? It's relatively new (founded in 2009), has low fees, and has most classes completely in English including the degree program I want which isn't all that common in any language. It's looking too good to be true.
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Aug 11, 2011 09:22
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Why do you think that the university being new is a good thing? It's not a proper university, it's located in the middle of nowhere, and they mostly offer highly specialized study programs. You didn't give any context though, so maybe that is exactly what you are looking for.
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Aug 11, 2011 13:01
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Yeah, most of their study programs are labeled as "starting in 2013"- their curriculum is pretty limited so far. If you're looking to go to a university of applied sciences (Fachhochschule in German), there's a ton of them all over Germany, with varying degrees of competence and popularity. They are mostly designed as a an alternative to traditional universities, and have been under quite some fluctuation in the past years, with new ones opening all the time. They are open to a wider range of educational backgrounds than the main universities, since you don't need the Allgemeine Hochschulreife (Abitur) to attend. Depending on what degree you're looking for, it could also mean that the degree isn't as highly regarded, especially if it's from a completely new Fachhochschule in some podunk town...
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eine dose socken posted:Depending on what degree you're looking for, it could also mean that the degree isn't as highly regarded, especially if it's from a completely new Fachhochschule in some podunk town... I thought as much. It being new is definitely not something I see as a good thing and is the main reason I decided to ask about it. The other places I'm looking at are all real universities but I've been feelng insecure about learning German lately so got sucked in by the idea of studying in English. Fasheem fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Aug 12, 2011 |
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Think about it as an amazing opportunity to really get to learn a language- deep immersion style! Get there a month or two before the semester starts, and ask everyone (roommates etc.) not to speak english- you'll pick up the language in no time (depending on your previous skill of course). I've seen chinese and american students come in with really shaky german skills and massively improve them in the course of one semester.. Also, if you ask me, try to go to a big university in a big city- german small university towns can be boring as gently caress. I've heard stories from friends who studied in Bamberg or Passau and they were super glad to leave after graduation.
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I don't know if Freiburg counts as a small university town, but I loved the ability to get into nature in 5 minutes if I wanted to. The attitudes of a certain type of local, on the other hand... BTW: there are traditional universities all over the place with degree programs in English, especially the newer/natural sciences programs. Though I would recommend researching any program you're thinking of applying for really carefully. I think a lot of the English language stuff in Freiburg is more salesmanship than innovation, for example.
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It's not a scam or anything, if you would rather study in English and the program is exactly what you are looking for, then maybe should just go for it. Just make sure that the program is accredited and your degree will be recognized. And maybe find some current students to talk to. There are some really good Dutch universities near the border, they probably have more classes that are taught in English. Tuition for non-EU students is really high though, 6+k/year if I remember correctly. I disagree about big universities being better, I got my Bachelor's degree from a pretty small university in a city that I think most Germans couldn't even find on a map and I loved everything about it.
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I think I have you all beat when it comes to boring university/fh towns. My FH town's claim to fame was the loving Heino Cafe and thats it.
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eine dose socken posted:Think about it as an amazing opportunity to really get to learn a language- deep immersion style! I'm at that frustrating point where I seem to be almost semi-competent. I really want to do a prep semester/year at a Studienkolleg, but I can't get in to most of them. Except for language skills I qualify for direct entry, so I could do the language course but not the content course. Some universities have started offering an optional pre-semester (Propädeutikum) for direct entry students since they noticed a lot of them were flunking out (compared to students who were forced to attend a Studienkolleg), so there's that at least. Troubadour posted:I think a lot of the English language stuff in Freiburg is more salesmanship than innovation, for example. I've noticed this, mainly because the "International" programs are usually very expensive. Half the reason I want to study in Germany is it's cheap.  I've been reading a lot about the small town vs big city debate and I'm still undecided.
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Guten Tag! A few questions from someone considering emigration to Deutschland from the US. How are job prospects for a college graduate with a 3 years of work experience in his field? Are there any particular areas of the country where someone with a great deal of interest in the musical arts, especially orchestral music, might want to consider? I understand that the German government requires all German citizens to forsake all other citizenships. Is this still the case? What is the general attitude of the German people to immigrants? I consider myself to have a modest grasp of the German tongue, but there will surely be a bit of a transitory period as I become more familiar with the language. Are there particular parts of Germany where English wouldn't be of use to help communicating? On a similar note, is there any substantial differences in dialect across the nation? I studied German in school, and was told that I was learning something called "High German", or something similar.
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Nosy_G posted:Guten Tag! A few questions from someone considering emigration to Deutschland from the US. quote:Are there any particular areas of the country where someone with a great deal of interest in the musical arts, especially orchestral music, might want to consider? quote:I understand that the German government requires all German citizens to forsake all other citizenships. Is this still the case? quote:What is the general attitude of the German people to immigrants? I consider myself to have a modest grasp of the German tongue, but there will surely be a bit of a transitory period as I become more familiar with the language. Are there particular parts of Germany where English wouldn't be of use to help communicating? quote:On a similar note, is there any substantial differences in dialect across the nation? I studied German in school, and was told that I was learning something called "High German", or something similar.
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Nosy_G posted:I understand that the German government requires all German citizens to forsake all other citizenships. Is this still the case? Nosy_G posted:What is the general attitude of the German people to immigrants? I consider myself to have a modest grasp of the German tongue, but there will surely be a bit of a transitory period as I become more familiar with the language. Are there particular parts of Germany where English wouldn't be of use to help communicating? Nosy_G posted:On a similar note, is there any substantial differences in dialect across the nation? I studied German in school, and was told that I was learning something called "High German", or something similar.
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flavor posted:The general attitude is positive, but you won't be regarded as German anytime soon. If you moves anywhere to Bavaria or - god forbid - Frankonia, you won't ever be considered german. Your decendants, possibly, but you, never. You'll always always stay a "Neigschlafda". But this is not a bad thing, it's just how them people down yonder see things. By the way, Nosy, do you have any specific idea of where you'll want to head as of right now?
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Stuhlmajor posted:If you moves anywhere to Bavaria or - god forbid - Frankonia, you won't ever be considered german. Your decendants, possibly, but you, never. You'll always always stay a "Neigschlafda". Is Frankonia the most Bavarian of Bavaria? I have a friend who lives in Coburg, he's an Ossie (Thueringa) though, and pretty self conscious of it in Bavaria.
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timtastic posted:Is Frankonia the most Bavarian of Bavaria? I have a friend who lives in Coburg, he's an Ossie (Thueringa) though, and pretty self conscious of it in Bavaria. Don't call Frankonians Bavarian. They will kill you.
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Nosy_G posted:I understand that the German government requires all German citizens to forsake all other citizenships. Is this still the case? Not always. The Internet's #1 resource for Germans who want to have multi-citizenship is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zweipaesse/
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Alan Greenspan posted:Not always. The Internet's #1 resource for Germans who want to have multi-citizenship is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zweipaesse/ There are all kinds of exceptions for people from EU countries, people born to parents from two different countries etc., but none of that changes the fact that Nosy_G will have to renounce his U.S. citizenship legally and officially if he wants to become German. [It would be actually interesting if then, as a German, if the U.S. wants him back, he could get a Beibehaltungsgenehmigung. I guess it would depend on how German authorities view somebody playing citizenship games like that in order to circumvent the renunciation.] I actually think Germany's stance on multiple citizenship is terrible and outdated and prevents lots of people from becoming German citizens, thus hampering integration. I wouldn't mind having a discussion about it, but this is not D&D.
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Hungry Gerbil posted:Don't call Frankonians Bavarian. They will kill you. This. Take it to the bank.
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Is there any part of 'Prussia' or the 'Prussian people' around anymore?
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Well, that depends. Not in any official way, shape or form, no - but sometimes it's used (self)mockingly. That happens very rarely, though - that it's used at all, I mean.
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Depends on what you mean. There has not been a "Prussian" identity in the original sense for a pretty long time - the place was stolen by Germans quite early - but until the Nazis and then the Soviets worked on homogenizing things, there were still many Old Prussian place names and such around the region. I think the Slavic-speaking people of the area have been pretty well absorbed into Polish culture now, although I think you'd be better off asking about that in the Poland thread if there is one. In so far as they haven't, if I'm not mistaken they'd identify as "Masurians" anyway. As for Prussia and Prussians in the German sense, some of those Germans who got kicked out of East Prussia after the war are still alive and still resentful about it, and there remains a small number of German speakers living there; that's about the closest you'll get. Nobody from pretty much anywhere else that was historically part of the kingdom of Prussia will even remotely self-identify as a Prussian except when joking about how Bavarians feel that everyone north of the Main is a Saupreiß or whatever.
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Yeah, in Saxony we call people from Brandenburg/Berlin "Preußen" sometimes, but I don't think they ever use it for themselves.
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:the place was stolen by Germans quite early
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Calling people that speak regular hochdeutsch "Preußen" is fairly common in some regions/states like Saxonia, Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg, Frankonia...heck, in Frankonia pretty much everything outside the regional borders is considered "Prussia".
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