|
We just started watching the movie Splice and I terrified my girlfriend when I screamed out "RODNEY!" when David Hewlett appeared on screen.
|
#
?
Aug 12, 2011 00:57
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 01:03 |
|
|
I don't think it was pointed out during all the brute force dialing discussions, but the reason it didn't work for Carter or the 1950s SG program is because without a DHD to compensate for "galactic drift" or whatever the addresses were slightly out of sync. The only reason Abydos and the 1950s dialing worked was because those gates were close enough that the thousands of years of galactic drift didn't effect the address. It was also the reason the trip to Abydos was so rough in the movie. After Carter compensated, all the addresses started working and the trip became like stepping through a doorway.
|
|
#
?
Aug 12, 2011 15:50
|
|
|
MisterFusion posted:I don't think it was pointed out during all the brute force dialing discussions, but the reason it didn't work for Carter or the 1950s SG program is because without a DHD to compensate for "galactic drift" or whatever the addresses were slightly out of sync. The only reason Abydos and the 1950s dialing worked was because those gates were close enough that the thousands of years of galactic drift didn't effect the address. It was also the reason the trip to Abydos was so rough in the movie. After Carter compensated, all the addresses started working and the trip became like stepping through a doorway. But that was only for Earth because they didn't have a DHD and had to use their own computer. Trying to brute force from any other planet wouldn't have that particular problem (not that they really explained how galactic drift would somehow change the symbols, or how they would change the computer to magically work, it's really just a handwave to retcon the movie).
|
|
#
?
Aug 12, 2011 16:19
|
|
|
Palleon posted:But that was only for Earth because they didn't have a DHD and had to use their own computer. Trying to brute force from any other planet wouldn't have that particular problem (not that they really explained how galactic drift would somehow change the symbols, or how they would change the computer to magically work, it's really just a handwave to retcon the movie). Exactly. It doesn't matter. Brute forcing it yields the same statistical probabilities of getting a hit regardless of "galactic drift" or not. You're still hitting the same keys on the keypad. So yeah, the explanation of "oh well, Abydos worked because it hadn't moved enough" was dumb. They should have just said "we got lucky with Abydos, we're going to use the Abydos cartoushe (however it's spelled) as a sort of Rosetta stone. Of course, that's still shaky since they have no other points of reference soooo. In essence, the address library thing is just a suspension of disbelief thing. EDIT: To speak nothing of how retarded it is to use constellations to denote a point in space. JetsGuy fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Aug 12, 2011 |
|
#
?
Aug 12, 2011 16:29
|
|
|
Spent the day at WizardWorld Chicago today, met Alaina Huffman and Julia Benson. Alaina is super sweet and very cute. Julia is drop dead gorgeous, and absolute treat to talk to and had a rock on her finger the size of a gold ball. I told her how much I enjoyed SGU and how much the internet wanted a third season. She said they all loved working on the show and she was hoping for more opportunities to smack idiot scientists around. The we talked about comics and I told her she'd make an amazing Wonder Woman and she said he agent been pushing her to audition for the pilot but her schedule didn't allow it. Good day all in all.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2011 05:05
|
|
|
JetsGuy posted:EDIT: To speak nothing of how retarded it is to use constellations to denote a point in space. Not to mention needing six of them.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2011 05:41
|
|
|
Idran posted:Not to mention needing six of them. However, this only makes sense if they intend the Stargate to be used by people that would not understand a complex numbering system so obviously the ancients meant for it to be used by anybody because the ancients don't give a poo poo. They intended to leave the gate network behind the entire time, and then when they get called for help because of that gate network they say, "nope, prime directive, sorry!"
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2011 05:57
|
|
|
Rhyno posted:Spent the day at WizardWorld Chicago today, met Alaina Huffman and Julia Benson. Alaina is super sweet and very cute. Julia is drop dead gorgeous, and absolute treat to talk to and had a rock on her finger the size of a gold ball. I told her how much I enjoyed SGU and how much the internet wanted a third season. She said they all loved working on the show and she was hoping for more opportunities to smack idiot scientists around. The we talked about comics and I told her she'd make an amazing Wonder Woman and she said he agent been pushing her to audition for the pilot but her schedule didn't allow it. Sup man  I can attest to all this; Julia and Alaina were super awesome, and Julia asked me about places to eat around Chicago (I told her Pequod's).
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2011 07:51
|
|
|
Yaos posted:They use 6 coordinates to define a volume of space in the shape of a cube. This way they can contact a Startgate without needing to know it's exact location, only it's general location. There is no way for anybody on Earth to have known this before going through the Stargate, and there is no way Daniel would have ever figured it out because he's terrible at math. He does not even know that the concept of zero is required for space travel. My bigger issue is that its absolutely asinine as literally no constellation will look the same from a different star system, especially star systems on the other side of the galaxy. Constellations are completely arbitrary and just based on your perspective of the bright stars you can see from your part iin the galaxy.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2011 07:57
|
|
|
JetsGuy posted:My bigger issue is that its absolutely asinine as literally no constellation will look the same from a different star system, especially star systems on the other side of the galaxy. Constellations are completely arbitrary and just based on your perspective of the bright stars you can see from your part iin the galaxy. To be fair, in the movie that's why Abydos had different symbols entirely, it was just a budgetary concern. But even then: Yaos posted:They use 6 coordinates to define a volume of space in the shape of a cube. This way they can contact a Startgate without needing to know it's exact location, only it's general location. There is no way for anybody on Earth to have known this before going through the Stargate, and there is no way Daniel would have ever figured it out because he's terrible at math. He does not even know that the concept of zero is required for space travel. Okay, I guess that would make sense, but that leads to the other problem: it would be impossible to actually use constellations for that, even just on Earth. I'm not even sure why I'm harping on this, since it's not like Stargate has ever really been anything close to hard sci-fi. It's just this one thing has always really bugged me about it.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2011 08:05
|
|
|
Hewlett posted:Julia asked me about places to eat around Chicago (I told her Pequod's). Why? Do you hate her?
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2011 09:14
|
|
|
zVxTeflon posted:Why? Do you hate her? I like it, and she didn't want a chain place  Where the gently caress else was I supposed to send her?
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2011 17:57
|
|
|
Picking my SG1 watch back up in the middle of season 2. The general saying "Son, do you know what color this phone is?" in Touchstone slayed me.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 02:19
|
|
|
Idran posted:To be fair, in the movie that's why Abydos had different symbols entirely, it was just a budgetary concern. I'm not saying it really bothers me, it's just stupid. Basically, using Earth constellations to define a point in space... you'd be defining the Earth in the Earth's frame. This is because the constellations would only look that way to the Earth from our star. It's like standing in a room and trying to declare the position of someone on the other side of the planet by naming a point on each of the walls around you. All you're doing is defining your position, not the position of your destination.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 03:14
|
|
|
JetsGuy posted:I'm not saying it really bothers me, it's just stupid. Basically, using Earth constellations to define a point in space... you'd be defining the Earth in the Earth's frame. This is because the constellations would only look that way to the Earth from our star. It's like standing in a room and trying to declare the position of someone on the other side of the planet by naming a point on each of the walls around you. All you're doing is defining your position, not the position of your destination. Or the whole thing was open source and as we all know, open source UIs are terrible and make no sense. Edit: For everybody that has not been following the Star Trek thread I have a special treat for you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8U4B8gnK-w
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 04:02
|
|
|
Exactly. The DHDs are just giant padlocks that use constellations instead of numbers. They just decided to use Earth constellations for some reason.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 04:11
|
|
|
JetsGuy posted:Exactly. The DHDs are just giant padlocks that use constellations instead of numbers. They just decided to use Earth constellations for some reason. Ancients are assholes
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 04:12
|
|
|
bobkatt013 posted:Ancients are assholes "Here are a bunch of symbols you have no way of understanding unless you've been to Earth, or stars within a close proximity of Earth. Enjoy, everyone!!!"
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 04:14
|
|
|
JetsGuy posted:"Here are a bunch of symbols you have no way of understanding unless you've been to Earth, or stars within a close proximity of Earth. Enjoy, everyone!!!" Lets not forget lets build stargate in space and if people dial them and not in a ship the die! Also rewatching Atlantis and why didn't they kill off Kavanagh he is so annoying. I also wish they showed O'neills reaction to his letter describing all the mistakes he thinks Weir did. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Aug 15, 2011 |
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 04:18
|
|
|
bobkatt013 posted:Also rewatching Atlantis and why didn't they kill off Kavanagh he is so annoying. I also wish they showed O'neills reaction to his letter describing all the mistakes he thinks Weir did. I would watch a show that was nothing but a bunch of Kavanaugh clones before I went back to watching the tripe that is SGU. PS - We did see O'Neill's reaction. He condemned Kavanaugh to Midway station.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 04:27
|
|
|
JetsGuy posted:I would watch a show that was nothing but a bunch of Kavanaugh clones before I went back to watching the tripe that is SGU. Ha ha that is right. Also Teyla singing > SGU
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 04:29
|
|
|
bobkatt013 posted:Ha ha that is right. Also Teyla singing > SGU Whoa let's not go crazy here. SGU did have the guy from Full Monty.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 04:45
|
|
|
General Emergency posted:Whoa let's not go crazy here. SGU did have the guy from Full Monty. Yes but also Chloe
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 04:46
|
|
|
bobkatt013 posted:Yes but also Chloe I like to imagine that Eli survived by siphoning the life support power from Chloe's pod.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 04:48
|
|
|
drcru posted:I like to imagine that Eli survived by siphoning the life support power from Chloe's pod. If by siphoning power, you mean devouring her corpse, then yes.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 04:51
|
|
|
Season 2 of SGU was pretty good. Season 1, not so much.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 05:00
|
|
|
JetsGuy posted:Exactly. The DHDs are just giant padlocks that use constellations instead of numbers. They just decided to use Earth constellations for some reason. Didn't they establish in season 9 or 10 of SG-1 that the gate symbols are actually letters or sounds in Ancient, and the actual gate address ends up being the Ancients name for the planet, as sounded out by the symbols? Or was that one planet just a special case?
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 18:31
|
|
|
Palleon posted:Didn't they establish in season 9 or 10 of SG-1 that the gate symbols are actually letters or sounds in Ancient, and the actual gate address ends up being the Ancients name for the planet, as sounded out by the symbols? Or was that one planet just a special case? That was the Volcano planet that they got the first ZPM from. It was the second time Jack had the ancient knowledge in. I forgot if they said that was a special case or it was the case with all the addresses.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 18:56
|
|
|
bobkatt013 posted:That was the Volcano planet that they got the first ZPM from. It was the second time Jack had the ancient knowledge in. I forgot if they said that was a special case or it was the case with all the addresses. I assume it would only be true for planets which were originally colonised by the Ancients.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 18:59
|
|
|
bobkatt013 posted:That was the Volcano planet that they got the first ZPM from. It was the second time Jack had the ancient knowledge in. I forgot if they said that was a special case or it was the case with all the addresses. The planet I was thinking of is the one where they found Merlin, Vala figured out that the name of the planet corresponded to gate symbols and they were able to dial in.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 19:11
|
|
|
I know the original case of that was Teonas Proclaroush or whatever. Still, the symbols are constellations, which is fine. It's just dumb as gently caress to say it defines a point in space other than Earth and a few closeby stars.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 20:07
|
|
|
Tupping Liberty posted:Picking my SG1 watch back up in the middle of season 2. Hammond of Texas was my favorite character in the entire show. I was majorly bummed when Don Davis died -- he was by all accounts a genuinely nice guy.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 21:39
|
|
|
Effingham posted:Hammond of Texas was my favorite character in the entire show. I was majorly bummed when Don Davis died -- he was by all accounts a genuinely nice guy. I know the years wouldn't work out right at all, but I always liked to imagine some kind of connection between Hammond and Briggs from Twin Peaks. Two great shows, and after all, "deep space radar telemetry" is basically what Briggs did in Twin Peaks. 
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 21:47
|
|
|
Don Davis is in the White Lodge
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 21:52
|
|
|
It's not like Stargate is even internally consistent. On one hand, you have the repeatedly used idea that moving a gate in proximity to a planet causes it to respond to that planet's address (See: second gate on Earth, and I think that was a plot point of the S1 finale). On the other hand, you have people moving gates and having their original address working, even when not even in the same galaxy (See: Pegasus Bridge). Do gates respond to their address no matter their location or not?
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 22:35
|
|
|
Mortanis posted:It's not like Stargate is even internally consistent. On one hand, you have the repeatedly used idea that moving a gate in proximity to a planet causes it to respond to that planet's address (See: second gate on Earth, and I think that was a plot point of the S1 finale). On the other hand, you have people moving gates and having their original address working, even when not even in the same galaxy (See: Pegasus Bridge). Do gates respond to their address no matter their location or not? Pegasus bridge gates had all new addresses that Rodney or someone (rodney) had to calculate. There was a throwaway line about how they were removed from the network. They also used milky way gates as well.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 22:46
|
|
|
Yeah, they had to use gates from both galaxies because for some reason they would only work in their own galaxy because  .That whole gate bridge thing was just dumb.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 22:58
|
|
|
Or it was due to the age of the gate system. As they said the only gate that could dial the milky way in the Pegasus galaxy was Atlantis.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 23:05
|
|
|
bobkatt013 posted:Or it was due to the age of the gate system. As they said the only gate that could dial the milky way in the Pegasus galaxy was Atlantis. Because the Atlantis one had a special control chip, one that they only had one of and couldn't replicate. The gate bridge overcame this by making the trip to a halfway point they could walk 30 or so ft and jump back into the other network. I've seen every stargate episode like 10 times or more, except for sgu, and that was twice each. Edit - the only reason the earth gate could do the trip to Atlantis is because the ancients having originally started the gate network on earth hard coded earth as the gate to rule all others. Cryptic Edge fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Aug 15, 2011 |
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 23:32
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 01:03 |
|
|
Hah, what are the odds? The SG-1 episode on Space today is the one where they do the eighth chevron trick for the first time. Then after that, it's the Atlantis pilot.
|
|
#
?
Aug 15, 2011 23:55
|
|
